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Once Upon a Time Round Table: "Selfless, Brave, and True"

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Was it too little too late for August on "Selfless, Brave, and True?"

Below, our Once Upon a Time Round Table team of Nick McHatton and Christine Orlando are joined by Gareth from Once Upon a Fan to discuss whether August's return was a fitting conclusion or dull disappointment, while also pondering Tamara's twisted plans for Storybrooke.

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What was your favorite scene from the episode?

Nick: The scene between Mary Margaret and David as she told him about her blackening heart. It's nice to see them committed and always believing in each other. They believe that no matter what the odds they can conquer them together even if her heart has some darkness to it.

Gareth: I enjoyed all the scenes between Tamara/August and the Healer. I found this section of the storyline a lot more engaging than what was going on in Storybrooke. It held my interest a lot more. Tamara just became the most interesting new character on the show for me.

Christine: Most of this episode fell flat for me so I was happiest with Regina. Her quip to Mary Margaret about the blackened fish made me chuckle and I liked that she reminded Owen that people can just disappear.

Carla: There were a few great ones, but I loved that Mary Margaret got out of bed and went to shoot arrows in the forest. It showed that despite everything that happened she still had her spunk. And, it was even better because she was NOT wearing an annoying lavender coat. Those need to be burned to never return again.

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August was turned back into the boy Pinnocchio. Fitting conclusion or a let down?

Nick: A complete let down. It completely resets August/Pinocchio as a character, but, in the end, it doesn't really matter since the August/Pinocchio we know died (by a taser that is ridiculously powerful on wood....). Nevertheless, I still hate it.

Gareth: Serious let down. August deserved a much better send off in my opinion. Can we just forget this part of the episode ever happened?

Christine: He was never a favorite of mine so to be honest, whether he's a dead hunk of wood or a little boy just doesn't matter.

Carla: I'm devastated that August is gone. When he was back this episode and in the flashback with Neal together as pals in New York (another favorite moment), I was hoping we'd see them as friends in the present. Since Tamara ruined that happy future, the reanimation of the dead August into a young boy again was perfect.

Did you miss Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold?

Nick: Not at all, there's so much going on in this episode that Mr. Gold didn't need to pop up to make an appearance. I would rather see a character only when they are necessary to an episode's plot rather than just have them there being unnecessary.

Gareth: I always miss Mr Gold. The episode was very busy, though, and Tamara kept me entertained.

Christine: I didn't realize how much I missed him until the end. I hope he sees through Tamara but I wonder how he'll handle that given she's his son's fiancee.

Carla: Nope. Not at all.

What do you think Tamara's twisted plan is for Storybrooke?

Nick: I think she's in it for money after seeing what the Dragon's magic could do, but since science literally could not identify what the magic was she's going to the source to get as much as she can: Storybrooke. I doubt Owen cares about anything else other than getting his father back, so he might be using Tamara as a distraction or as a weapon.

Gareth: I'm still trying to make up my mind about whether she is tied to the Enchanted Forest or not? I think she wants the magic in Storybrooke for some dark purpose. I also feel her storyline will play into the science versus magic theme that has been playing out this season.

Christine: If this is all for the money then it's definitely a long term con. What I really want to know is how she stumbled across Owen and how these two are connected.

Carla: Good question. She wants magic, but beyond that I have no idea. It really depends if she is using Owen, just like she's using Neal or not. If she's not, that they want to find his father, but also exact revenge on Regina. And, steal magic.


 Will David's plan to return to the Enchanted Forest fix things for Snow?

Nick: If Regina has taught us one thing it's that magic can't, well, magically fix everything, and, whether they live in Storybrooke or the Enchanted Forest, David and Mary Margaret will need to work through their darker tendencies like everyone else.

Gareth: I think David's plan may push them further apart. Snow has shown no real inclination to go home. They seem pretty united at the moment though and I loved the scene at the end when Snow told Charming the truth about what happened with Regina. I agree with Nick that Snow will have to work it out for herself no matter what land she finds herself in.

Christine: I'm with Gareth on this one. I think it might just drive them farther apart. He thinks the Enchanted Forest will fix everything where Mary Margaret's main goal is to stay with her family. I'm guessing those opposing view points will come to a head by season's end.

Carla: No. Mary Margaret's issues will still be her's to deal with even if she resumes her life as Snow. David desperately wants to return to Fairy Tale Land though, so it makes sense that he believes it will be ... well, a fairy tale if they return.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate this episode?

Nick: 5. It was average.

Gareth: 5. Pretty medicore episode. Some parts I really loved but some elements of the plot were ridiculous if I am being honest. A powerful magical being defeated with a taser is just one part that made my eyes roll.

Christine: Agree with the 5. There was too much time jumping and that taser's ability to kill magical beings and those made of wood really bugged me.

Carla: 8. I really enjoyed the new questions and secrets that were revealed in this episode. The telling of August's story was timed well with Neal's arrival to Storybrooke. And, Tamara's connection to August, Neal, and Owen has me intrigued. Could she be connected to Fairy Tale Land as well? 

C. Orlando is a TV Fanatic Staff Writer. Follow her on Twitter.

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your write very good!

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I really want to find out what happen to Owen's dad and how did Henry get to storybrooke. I know in season 1 something was said about Mr. Gold getting Henry for Regina., But how did he get into the town if no one could find it and no one could leave? Did Owen's dad have something to do with it?

Geelightning

This must not be it for August! He must return to being Eion Bailey or I swear I'll rip someone's heart out! Damn, first Graham, now August?! UNACCEPTABLE!

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I dont know about you guys, but I was more let down with the scene with August and Neil. I mean there shouldve been a better reason for August to start his journey to Emma and all it was because he's turning to wood? I mean no higher calling, no serious mission or goal, just "oh no I'm turning to wood, lets get Emma on track?". How about we gotta stop Regina, save the town, or something with purpose.
And also that August is now a child again. Boo.

Drea xoxo

i was confused at the whole episode!!! i wanted emma to kiss august and boom he'll be a real man again but no the writers weren't brave enough again. i too don't care what logic or how you explain/spin it, HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN MADE INTO A BOY AGAIN!!! lazy on the writers behalf!!! don't get tamara's role and the dragon connection, more focus on that and then i'll invest in her. just want the story to focus on returning everyone to their happily ever after regardless of real life.

Kitanishi h mcdonald

I don't get this "argument", really. Quite a few fans argue this way - that someone somewhere confirmed it wasn't a normal taser. I DON'T CARE if a writer announced this on Twitter. IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE WITHIN THE STORY and for this episode it just didn't!!

The very fact that "Taser" worked on a wooden creature and killed a magical creature already points on it NOT being just a taser.

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I would like to reiterate that the "Taser" isn't a taser so the criticisms about whether it could "kill" a dragon or a wooden boy are moot.
I don't get this "argument", really. Quite a few fans argue this way - that someone somewhere confirmed it wasn't a normal taser. I DON'T CARE if a writer announced this on Twitter. IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE WITHIN THE STORY and for this episode it just didn't!!

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Will David's plan to return to the Enchanted Forest fix things for Snow?
Nope. David is honorable and action-y but he is also very naive. he is grasping at the illusion that "going back" will solve all their problems and they will live happily ever after in the castle, but that's not the case. The opposing point of views between Snow and Charming have been foreshadowed through entirety of this season and with Snow going off the rails, she'll have a whole lot more to say about that.

Ronald simkins

I would like to reiterate that the "Taser" isn't a taser so the criticisms about whether it could "kill" a dragon or a wooden boy are moot.

Joyeful

1. My favourite scenes all involved Regina. I particularly liked the one where she recognized Owen. 2. Ugh - that was a complete let down. His only shot at redemption was to relive 28 years?? 3. Incredibly so. Robert Carlyle is my favourite on the show and always steals whatever scene he's in. I definitely noted his absence. 4. I find it really hard to care, to be honest. She just seems to be someone they brought in to make the show even more convoluted. I'm MUCH more interested in who the Dragon might have been. 5. Somewhere between 3 and 5. The Dragon's death, August's death, no Rumpel, yet another plot twist, and the taser - the freakin taser - kinda made this one of the worst episodes for me.