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March 17th, 2013 7:41 PM
If that happened and Lisbon seduced Jane as an onslaught from an emotional storm that was cracking her facade, basically against her will, she would be acting from a point of weakness and that would be really unfortunate right now. She does not need to be the weak, needy party in this seduction. Jane needs to take the initiative in order to actually add strength and build a balanced health into the relationship. It could still work out because Jane would step up and see to her and things could be repaired from there, but I'd rather not see her forced to that. She's had to endure enough of his passive rebuffs. It would be terrible to see her put herself out there again, because she could no longer hold on. Really terrible.
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March 17th, 2013 7:31 PM
@entwife. you couldn't be more right. and beautifully said. aches to read it.
March 17th, 2013 7:27 PM
@huisclothes Benefits of sleight of hand *snicker* love it
Still thinking of your statement, "can't even begin to think of him putting the moves on her right now." Me neither, as "would" instead of "could." As mental exercise, if he decided to, she would be toast in his toaster! It's a lot easier for me to see Lisbon as seducer at this point. In her emotional state it would be an onslaught, nothing subtle. In TWBB, she was showing the emotional strain big time. Jane was wooden, holding on easily to the habit of their normal relationship, maybe for her sake since she was obviously at the edge. He was gob smacked I think by the cracks in her facade at Orchid Lane. Maybe one reason he was so quiet, anything except quiet, marked attention would risk shattering her facade completely.
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March 17th, 2013 6:36 PM
@entwife then lisbon could understand the full benefits of sleight of hand.
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March 17th, 2013 6:30 PM
@entwife. it is a fun topic.
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March 17th, 2013 6:29 PM
@rationalgal love your reply. just asking who had the stronger chance of taking a flyer at it however premature and inappropriate. as you may guess, i think patrick's character is appropriate and perfect.
March 17th, 2013 6:27 PM
@rationalgal That is so true. I hope you're right and the chase does ease up soon. Five years of the chase is enough. Catch the damn psycho already and let us see what the rest of the story looks like.
March 17th, 2013 6:21 PM
Yes @huisclothes I do think either one could do it. Whether either one would at this point, well no. But purely as a mental exercise . . . Jane could not refuse Lisbon. If she finally broke and started kissing him, communicating that kind of love and need for him, he would give her everything he had. It might be against his better judgement. He might deeply regret it afterwards. He might distance himself and avoid any situation where it could happen again. All sorts of undesired consequences could happen. But in that moment, when her feelings were open and unmistakeable to both of them, I don't think he could or would lie to her and say he had none, I think he would return them, against his better judgement even, in order to let her know she was not alone in her feelings. I like this topic! :-)
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March 17th, 2013 6:19 PM
@rationalgal I really like your reply, couldn't have put it better. I agree, they're already into each other, no seduction is required. But Red John needs to be resolved before they can really act on it. :)
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March 17th, 2013 6:16 PM
@huisclothes yes, he really isn't affronted at all. I think he's more affected by how she just refrained him, since he was itching to get into trouble. Would anyone other than Lisbon be able to touch him like that and get away with it? That is why I see both of them as Jane once described men and women: men are toasters and women are accordions. He would have to play Lisbon very carefully in order to seduce her. And lets not forget, he already tried to seduce her once with sleazy moves in Fugue in Red and she shot him down. She'd just have to touch him and he'd be done for it.
However, I don't think they'll try to seduce each other. If something romantic happens, it will be in the spur of the moment, after some life threatening situation or something like that.
March 17th, 2013 6:15 PM
They've already seduced each other. They love each other. The crap from their pasts and the RJ problem are holding up the action. Once that barrier comes down, they will admit their feelings and act accordingly. The "accordingly" stuff is being held back because the cast and Bruno have said "the chase" is what's exciting, so we've had a chase since the series started. I predict it will ease up considerably at the May finale. Also, I have to say I approve of Jane's character and behavior 100%, whether it seems good or bad. I love him just the way he is. It fits the character's background perfectly. Jane could not act differently without destroying the integrity of the character he has created. His behavior is rational, given who he is.
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March 17th, 2013 6:12 PM
actually, jane could pull one of those "work with me, teresa" bits and she would play along and only realize what was really happening when he had her blouse off. :D
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March 17th, 2013 6:08 PM
@estatica the scene you're referring to is in pink tops at the crime scene when the cop refers to jane as a circus performer (i think). jane says to lisbon that he thought she would stand up for him and she says he should do it himself. as he starts to head over there (what's he going to do, kill him with sarcasm?), she pushes him back as if to say, "steady, big boy." he knows she's right and i think he's just faking being affronted by the guy.
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March 17th, 2013 6:03 PM
@entwife so you think they either of them could make it happen? interesting. i don't think she could seduce him on a bet. and it would be incredibly uncomfortable because he'd have to turn her down. can't even begin to think of him putting the moves on her right now.
March 17th, 2013 5:53 PM
Too damn dark....This used to be my favorite show. But "Unforgiveable Things" just crossed the line for me with the opening torture scene. I don't mind a touch of nightmare, but I was also looking for some depth from the past of the various characters, plus some eventual uplift. (Like Lisbon's idealism rubbing off on Jane somehow.) My spouse and I aren't so hot on this show anymore.
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March 17th, 2013 5:52 PM
I think both could seduce each other easily! Not that any of them is willing to go there at the moment because of the implications, as we already discussed.
The thing is, they would probably go about it in really different ways. Jane would premeditatedly think of things to say and do to get her off her guard. He would plan something. He got her a pony for her birthday, he buys jewellery, etc., he always sets up elaborate schemes to get on her good side.
Lisbon would never try to seduce him with schemes. In fact, I can't imagine her making a move on any guy: the guys are always the ones that try to seduce her. But if there were no inhibitions or fears of being rejected, I imagine she would simply shove him against a wall / grab his jacket / put her hands around his neck and kiss him senseless. And he would definitely reciprocate in kind. :D
March 17th, 2013 5:45 PM
teasing me about Jisbon seductions, that is, just kidding, I think about them all the time
March 17th, 2013 5:22 PM
@huisclothes If either one decided to and really poured it on? Absolutely. They're way too far gone.
Stop teasing me lol
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March 17th, 2013 5:22 PM
@entwife re: the center. they'll never take me alive.
ok, i think patrick could seduce teresa, like tomorrow.
but teresa couldn't seduce patrick.
not saying either of them wants it but if i had to call it, i would say she is his if he puts his mind to it.
March 17th, 2013 5:17 PM
Hc ermm I would say nonow is not the right time. Sorry for my typo am on my phone
March 17th, 2013 5:15 PM
Entwife I knew there was something wrong with sleeve mixed up with leaves..
I understand you would feel embarrassed it's ok.. I read some Very erotic ff the other day .. well you know where I am if you change your mind!
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March 17th, 2013 5:13 PM
ok. answer these questions quick without thinking. under the current story conditions in tm, could patrick seduce lisbon? could lisbon seduce patrick?
March 17th, 2013 5:13 PM
hahahahaha @huisclothes Almost missed the connection in your reply to @bonaduz. I know we've both refused treatment at the Nice Women Rehabilitation Center. More fun that way. :-D
March 17th, 2013 5:11 PM
It's so funny though because you must have thought I was kind of crazy. I read elastica the first time and never gave it a second read and I never saw anyone saying I mispelt it..
Thanks for the compliment!
Bonaduz I love your story how nice of simon! Thanks for sharing!
March 17th, 2013 5:10 PM
@Mimi Hey, while we're talking English proficiency great use of the idiom "up your sleeve!"
Okay. I'm confessing to you that yes I do write things down, well really only a couple things, well, and a few other jots for future development, when I finally get too frustrated with the slow or no movement on the Jisbon relationship in the show. I feel no requirement to build a plot, that's not the point of them. It's mainly personality, reasonable excuse for structure and setting, just enough to support the action which is all I'm interested in for Jisbon purposes. My meanderings, though, are far far far, that is very very far, even way way way too far, that is supremely far too lascivious to share. I'm not kidding. I would be so embarrassed.