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Jane: This is Red John. Lisbon: How can you tell? Jane: Because when it's him I can feel it.
Rank: Regular Character
March 16th, 2013 7:49 PM
@rationalgal or a maxi-series. the show has a lot to it. it's quite remarkable. when it disappoints, it's because at its best, it's so good. unparalleled. we know the potential and want it to hit every time.
March 16th, 2013 7:38 PM
I'm wondering how normal people react to this series. I have talked to a few friends who enjoy the show. They definitely like it, but don't see it in the depth we do. They just enjoy the creative stories and the acting and looking at Simon Baker, and just figure the RJ think will resolve itself in due time and that Jane and Lisbon with get together because that's how TV shows almost always end. They don't see all the plot holes or the interpersonal emotional nuances. I point out some of this stuff and they say oh yeah, I didn't realize that! This is really a pity because the show does have considerable depth and symbolism and a meaningful philosophy or message. Problem is, TV viewers are not accustomed to this. TM should have been made into a mini series for PBS.
March 16th, 2013 7:32 PM
There's a mouth full!
March 16th, 2013 7:30 PM
Gardenia's are my favoite flower and one people give me often. I also ware the perfume! Crazy hey!
March 16th, 2013 7:27 PM
@estatica - the problem is, he has acted very considerate to her before. The problem is he never stays that way. He will be on good behavior for a while, or even be very sweet, then he turns around and becomes an ass again. I just don't believe his act anymore.
I don't think we're getting any relationship momentum in the finale. I think it will once again be crumbs...something ambiguous enough to give shippers hope while not pissing off the anti-shippers.
March 16th, 2013 7:22 PM
I agree with you watcher! So.....I'm going to go now......cause I feel like I've been drinking BELLADONNA!
Rank: Guest Star
March 16th, 2013 7:21 PM
@anitraward1 and @Watcher I really get the frustration bit too, but now I'm starting to sense the next episodes will gives a lot more. They've been building this up and without confirmation of a new season, they're bound to move forward with Red John and Lisbon/Jane relationship, at least a little bit. That's what I hope, anyway!
I know it probably won't happen, but I really hope we get to see Jane in the next episode acting all considerate towards Lisbon. That "Me? I'm with her!" line in the promo and the gardenia in the photo give me hope! :D
March 16th, 2013 7:16 PM
Estatica, your statement was eloquent and quite precise. So now I will flip to fantasy mode when it comes to the Jane / Lisbon relationship. Or this shit is so dumb that it should'nt be believed and Lisbon is Red John!
March 16th, 2013 7:12 PM
@estatica and ani - I agree with you. Only in an imaginary TV universe is any of this remotely possible. Unlike estatica though, it is really starting to bother me. I don't mind suspending my disbelief every once in a while, but it is happening way too often with too many different things on this show. Big part of my irritation. I wish they would get more realistic on SOMETHING. The show has the potential to be truly great. But all of this unrealistic stuff is holding them back. Just my 2 cents
March 16th, 2013 7:02 PM
Estatica! Thanks! It's only Tv! Ok, I'm back, I'm back! But it's still irritating!
March 16th, 2013 6:56 PM
The Jane and Lisbon storyline is like the Red John storyline. The writter's have dragged it out for 5 years. It is absolutely infuriating. I think the writer's dropped the ball and need to move the relationship to an adult level. I can see the Red John storyline and how it is essentional to the whole plot. But the Lisbon / Jane thing can actually advance without upsetting the main plot. This parallel daulism is driving me nuts! Writer's we the viewer's can think on more then one level, can you?
March 16th, 2013 6:55 PM
I've seen people say this a few times now. Jane never said he didn't like Lorelei in that scene where he admitted feelings. He said "I confess, I may have some feelings. But if I have crossed any lines it's not because I like her. I will do anything I can to get to Red John"
I interpret this as him admitting he does like Lorelei, but that is not impacting the decisions he is making.
Rank: Guest Star
March 16th, 2013 6:52 PM
@anitraward1 I think the fact that this is TV is precisely the reason it makes sense. In real life, Jane would be in a mental hospital or in prison by now. Lisbon would be in therapy. Most of their cases wouldn't be admitted in court. The team should have been fired at this point. In fact, there is a huge list of things where we are supposed to suspend our disbelief. And that's ok.
It's a TV show. So, no, they haven't kissed and we are to accept that they never acknowledged their feelings and never acted on them up. We're also supposed to accept that there are now sufficient clues indicating that they might do so in the future. Personally, I'm ok with that :)
March 16th, 2013 6:50 PM
@huisclothes - makes sense about the birth control. I mean, who could resist the lure of sex in zero gravity?
Rank: Regular Character
March 16th, 2013 6:47 PM
@ani in the real world, yes. she follows him around like a puppy dog.
i got four boyfriends from workplace friendships. my husband, no.
interesting fact. essential equipment aboard any space shuttle or station? birth control. where there are men and women, there will be sex.
March 16th, 2013 6:30 PM
Here is what I think happened, Lisbon test drove the Patrick Jane model and decided not to buy at that time. She test drove some other models and decided she liked the Jane model better! Look, for me, the relationship part of the series is really silly. I will not buy into all this, it's all so complicated BS. It is way to sophomoric for me! Adults just don't conduct themselves this way. I'm hoping there is more to it then what the writer's are presenting. These are suppose to be intelligent people. So, obviously I can't buy into what is being present as a logical progression in a relationship! It does not make any sense at all! If it's just for TV stuff then ok! But that is not how the show is presenting itself. It should be one or the other not both because that's just silly! If this is the case, I think cartoon's are better!
Rank: Guest Star
March 16th, 2013 6:22 PM
@bonaduz Dubbing is simply not welcomed in Portugal, except perhaps in cartoons and movies for kids. They have tried in the 90's to dub some TV series, but the result was not good because no one would watch those versions. People here (and I mean everyone, including people of all ages) are used to having subtitles. Dubbing simply ruins the experience. They rather watch the actors' performances with their real voices. Kids here also seem eager to switch from dubbed TV programs to subtitled ones, makes them feel as if they're made the transition to grown ups, I think :D
Rank: Regular Character
March 16th, 2013 6:14 PM
@mimi simon is always self-effacing. patrick is a real gentleman. his sensibilities are refined.
March 16th, 2013 6:09 PM
@estatica - I guess not enough people speak portugese, that it would make it cost effective to translate every show. But I see they make perfekt sense with their subtitles. 'Tu' within the team and formal with everybody else - that's how I see it. I guess the German TV-translation-league (or whatever thei're called :-) see it differently. Might also be a slight cultural difference between Germany and less formal Switzerland? Never mind, I'm rambling...
March 16th, 2013 6:08 PM
Huisclothes, we both know when we were dating if we wanted to settle down with a man or not. I know men very well! I worked with men all my life. Have been around men alot! I know how they think! Like Jane says, you don't know what you know til you know it! I know men! So, let's say for the sake of arguement that this is a harliquin romance, then the Jane lisbon thing seems plausible, other then that, I have a problem with it. Everything says those two have been with each other!
March 16th, 2013 6:05 PM
right unf its bedtime for me.
have a nice day everyone!
Goodnight Elastica!
speak tomorrow
March 16th, 2013 5:59 PM
of course they wont and we dont want spoilers, do we?
March 16th, 2013 5:58 PM
I've come to one conclusion and that is Bruno Heller, the writer's and the actor's would never reveal what is going to happen. No matter how right you are!
March 16th, 2013 5:55 PM
I4m reading a French article and which Simon is asked if Patrick Jane is a gentleman and he says 'never, he's self centered and talks too much'
I do think somehow jane is a gentleman, in some of his manners, like he alwas holds the door for Lisbon for ex..
Rank: Regular Character
March 16th, 2013 5:55 PM
@ani i agree w/mimi that all of this is so so personal. it depends on where you are in life. if you've had several serious relationships, you might understand more that everyone survives failed love and goes on. to someone less experienced, it could feel like you'll never love again and you have to keep trying to make it work. you might feel that if you just throw a little more of yourself into it, you might turn things your way. or you might feel that if it's not to be, you don't want to look back feeling that you didn't try everything. lisbon's not emotionally experienced. she ran from her fiancé. she likes mashburn but would slap the cuffs on him herself if he broke the law. her feelings for patrick are much deeper and more complicated. he's made her re-examine all her beliefs. life is no longer so black and white. she's disoriented. ten years ago, she never would have believed she'd do what's she's done. or feel what she feels.