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But people gotta stop saying Tony is incompetent, because, and maybe I'm watching a different show, but I specifically don't remember him screwing up a case. So yeah, I don't see why he is incompetent, because I don't remember a storyline where Tony was in trouble for screwing up a case.

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I gotta ask. To the people who don't want Tiva to happen... (@S and @Annalise, among others) Do you at least agree that Michael is insane?

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Can't wait to see how this all plays out on NCIS. Love the Tony/Ziva dynamic!

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I think that the two have no actual UST between them. They kind of did in the early years, but it's long gone. Now random guest stars have to make comments about their obvious coupleness. I guess the writers are afraid we won't be able to tell otherwise. It's all written in and contrived. CBS seems to want to attract the younger end of the 18 - 49 demographic so they've pushed the most juvenile appealing character (Ziva) to the front with constant tragic personal dramas, and given her a Nickelodeon type story romance. I miss competent bad ass Tony, but he's been sacrificed so that Ziva can predictably out do and undo him. It's your basic adolescent romance dynamic.

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Ditto, Ness.

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BIEN NESS.

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o_o Just gonna overlook the rest of the thread and put my two cents in about Tiva...XD

I've shipped them ever since I got into the show about a year and a half ago (lucky me, I joined in season 9, so I've been able to just watch season1-8 on DVD. I haven't really had to wait as long as most Tiva shippers have). Their chemistry is very unique and, as a writer, I admire the the NCIS screenwriters for how their dialogue is written. Very impressive. :) Obviously they're doing something right; I don't watch a lot of TV because of all the trash out there, but NCIS I can thoroughly enjoy.
Tiva's a great pairing, in my opinion, because the characters are so different, yet the writers, directors, and actors have made them mesh really well. I've seen the trailer for "Berlin" and it's awesome!! If Tony and Ziva acknowledge the tension, it will make for a very interesting tail end of the season. I think the worst thing they could do would be to kill off one of them immediately afterwards (as some have claimed will happen).
I don't think they've demeaned or dumbed down either character to suit the pairing. To me it seems as if they introduced Ziva, and her personality just clicked with Tony's already established character very well. Can't wait to see how this leads (though if they move right into sex, I'll be very let down, admittedly....me and my morals XP).

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I wonder if batman will appear on Arrow?

Gatorgal

@Michael: @gatorgal Who killed a ice agent thats Ziva knew about and help him with or have you forgotten that I am insane im not the one who want to s
see two grow adults have sexs on top of dead bodys like the Tiva fans do.

Did you really just write that? I stand by my earlier statement: you are seriously psychotic and need help now! And I am not being glib or rude.

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@retiredinlavernia

Are you seriously saying it's ok for Tony to have sex with lots of women, like he claims to have had, but not ok for Ziva to have slept with men to get info? Tony acts like going a week or two without sex is rare for him, yet he hasn't had a serious girlfriend in years. Ziva only mentioned that she had used sex to get info, as has Gibbs, but did not state how many times. I'm a guy and I think your judgement on Ziva is incredibly sexist against women. Ziva may not be pure, but Tony ain't no saint either.




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