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NCIS Round Table: "Damned If You Do"

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Our NCIS review broke down "Damned If You Do," this week's season finale, in detail.

Now, TV Fanatic staff members Steve Marsi, Douglas Wolfe and Christine Orlando have assembled for our weekly Round Table Q&A discussion of various events and topics from this installment.

Join in as we analyze this season-ending, entertaining hour of TV's #1 show!

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1. How would you describe this week in one word (or two, or three, or four)?

Doug: Together in separation.

Christine: Walk away.

Steve: Unconventional.

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2. What was your favorite quote or scene from "Damned If You Do?"

Doug: I actually laughed out loud when Franks started shooting the fish. The grin on Gibbs' face was pretty cool to see too. 

Christine: Admiral AJ Chegwidden! As a fan of JAG, the show NCIS spun off from, I was positively giddy when he walked in as Gibbs attorney. These two are kindred spirits. Heck, "AJ" even stands for Albert Jethro! I really hope we get to see more of him next season.

Steve: The JAG callback was great. I also enjoyed the log cabin scenes (was that what he was building throughout NCIS Season 10?) and Gibbs torching Mike's files - another callback to years past. Oh, and Delilah?!

3. What was the most frustrating unanswered question?

Doug: How the heck does an irradiated severed head, the NCIS troubles with Parsons, and the death of Kazmi all relate to each other? When Tom Morrow gave his explanation to Vance, and Vance nodded as if he understood, all I could think was "the operation was a success; the patient died."

Christine: There were so many, some of which Doug covered but for me it was what happens to Tony, Ziva, and Tim. They said they admitted to their own actions. Will Parsons file charges against them even though they've quit? And even if he didn't, what's next and how do we get them back?

Steve: How does the severed head tie into the case? And how can Ziva, Tim and Tony admit responsibility and resign, then still get their jobs back down the line?

4. What should Jimmy and Breena name their baby?

Doug: Jimmy has so much love and respect for his mentor that I can see him wanting to name his child Donald. If it's a girl he might want to name her after his mother Eunice.

Christine: Doug took my only thought. I know they're adopting but can't you just picture a little Jimmy running around with glasses? He'll make a sweet father.

Steve: Donald does seem like the obvious choice. But Timothy or Abigail would also be cute ...

5. Tony and Ziva: Forever in the friend zone?

Doug: Certainly seems that way doesn't it? That horrific kiss on the forehead from Tony to Ziva would certainly seems to seal the deal. Expect a lot of hints and innuendo in this coming year. World's worst foreplay.

Christine: Seriously, if I never hear the word Tiva again I would be very happy. What a waste. As a fan of these two characters I feel completely jerked around. Once again the show teased a payoff for this couple and then never followed through. I wish they'd just give them both steady outside love interest and be done with it.

Steve: Maybe naively, I thought they were going to kiss for real there at the end. Then Tony got friend zoned, and I think that window closed. I don't know what lies ahead in NCIS Season 11, but this felt like a turning point to me, and maybe it's for the best.

6. The plot to thwart Parsons: Satisfying or underwhelming?

Doug: Underwhelming. Convenient. Almost lazy. But for all of that - its redemption lies in the fact that it's incomplete: Gibbs is not off of the hook. The investigation into his behavior is postponed, not cancelled. I think that's a good thing too: I want to see the irritating sleaze artist come back to gnaw at the team's underparts in the next season.

Christine: Eh. Kind of underwhelming considering all of the build up. It felt like there should have been more to the fight.

Steve: It was a little of both. Underwhelming for the reasons Doug and Christine said, but satisfying in that it wasn't an easy out. Parsons wasn't undone by a hidden skeleton, and lived to fight another day. He caused the resignation of three NCIS agents, and it took a major hierarchical effort to get Gibbs out of this one - and he isn't even out of it yet. No one can say there weren't consequences or that this scandal was swept under the rug.

7. Where is Gibbs and what is he up to?

Doug: Many have suggested that he didn't shoot Tobias. I'm open to the possibility that he did. My guess is that there's a rabid mole within the alphabet soup hierarchy of the various services, and maybe Tobias is one of them. When Tom Morrow ruled out Iran and North Korea, all we were left with was home-grown terrorists or (worse) internal spies. My guess is that someone from high up has recognized his unique black op skills and wanted him to clean up the mess. As for where - I think he's on home soil.

Christine: I'm assuming he shot whoever Tobias was protecting, whomever stepped out of that car. To what end is anyone's guess.

Steve: If the implication was that the CIA took out Kazmi to cause international hysteria and allow the U.S to focus on the real threat, so to speak, then that could well be a mole hunt. Something that would definitely qualify as a black ops mission for Gibbs. He did not look surprised to see Fornell in the crosshairs, yet he did hestitate before taking what would have been a clear shot. If Tobias isn't the target, is he working with Gibbs or in the dark about the fate that awaits whomever is in the car with him? And who is the injured man with Gibbs?! So many questions.

8. There have now been 10 NCIS season finales! Which was your favorite and why?

Doug: So far, I think the NCIS Season 9 finale was the best. Having someone bomb the NCIS building while Ducky had a heart attack on the beach certainly seems to trump any of the other seasons for me. Fans scrambled to see if David McCallum's contract was renewed. And we got to see Ziva and Tony trapped in an elevator - making the fans wonder once again just what activity they would have to do to keep themselves occupied until help arrived. The writers of NCIS are the absolute masters of The Big Tease.  

Christine: Nothing has ever beaten the Season 2 finale where Caitlin Todd was killed. It was so shocking and heartbreaking that it's always stood with me.

Steve: Hard to argue with Christine. That one still gives you the chills today if you catch it on USA! But after seeing Mike Franks again this week, I couldn't help but recall his funeral in the NCIS Season 8 finale, when Gibbs' woodworking was unveiled on his coffin. That was pretty awesome.

What's your take on these issues of the week on NCIS? Discuss below!

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I thought it was great when she was talking about their friendship and she could barely get the word out because there is so much more between her and Tony.

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I agree it wasn't as intense as other episodes. My main frustration is that were so many unanswered questions.

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This seasons finale was a dissappointment.Parsons was bad, Gibbs would fight. Team quits, Gibbs must kill. Who is the enemy? Who cares, not enough tension,or explanations. Do Tiva or not, but the tease is a bore already. Why is Abbey so emotionally immature now. Once she cared, had keys to everyones apartment and was smart, witty and risque with her double entendre's, now she is so juvenile you wonder how she got her degrees and how she could testify in court. McGee is still not fully developed as a charachter. Tony was smart and debonair, not smarmy. Ziva is super chick and getting annoying, she runs hot and cold, angry or agitated. Stop using the Gibbs headslap so often. We love the show or else we would not take the time to comment. Bring back the edgy crime drama with characters we love, not just tolerate.

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You know, it doesn't matter if an ep this season got 22 million viewers or 17 million; every week NCIS aired, it beat the competition. Period. To spout how viewership dropped here or there doesn't matter; it dropped all over TV land, not just NCIS. NCIS was the number one network show for the 2012-2013 season. Either we all like to watch terrible television with weak scripts and terrible actors, or this is a damn fine show. My vote? Damn.Fine.Show.

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While the promos made more hype than they should have...(and this is not the only CBS show that happened with)...I think we Tiva fans should have a little faith. Ziva said that she doesn't depend on happy endings. It's not that she doesn't depend on them (nobody really does), Ziva doesn't believe that she deserves one. She is constantly telling Tony that something bad happens to everybody who has been/gets close to her. Ziva loves Tony with everything that is in her; but she's worried that something will happen to him if they get together. There is nothing Tony can do, or say, to change Ziva's mind; but Jethro can. He's already done it with Tony ("don't be like me. learn from it."), now he needs to do it with Ziva. I'm thinking it will happen sometime in season 11.

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NOT A TIVA FAN BUT THE LAST EPISODE CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THERE WAS/IS SOMETHING THERE. WHEN TONY WENT AFTER HER IN THE WOODS AND YELL AT HIM..WHO WAS SHE REALLY ANGRY AT? SHE WALKED UP TO HIM AND PLACED HER HAND ON HIS CHEST HER VOICED CHANGED TO A LOW TEMPO...SHE STUTTERED WORD FR-FRIEND AS IF SHE HAD TO CATCH HERSELF. TONY KISSED HER ON THE FOREHEAD (BEING A GOOD INVESTIGATOR)HE KNEW WHY SHE STUMBLED (NOTICED HE COCKED HIS HEAD TO THE SIDE AND SMILED). LATER ON THE SHOW AS TONY CORRECTED HER...MCGEE SAID LEAVE HER ALONE AND ZIVA SAID DONT WORRY I CAN HANDLE HIM AFTER WHICH TONY LOOKED AT HER AND SMILED SAYING SHER SURE CAN OR WORDS OF SORTS. TIVA IS THERE LIKE MOST REAL RELATIONSHISH IN THIER TOUGH SITUATION OF RULES AND THE LIKE; THE HAVE TO BE CAREFULL AND ACCURATE.

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Tony has always been the inferior agent, even when Kate was on the show. Do you not recall in season 1 in "Dead Man Talking" that all Tony could think about was making out with the girl they were investigating? And then when he did make out with her, he found out she was a he! Yea, that is so professional to get involved with someone you are investigating. That is really the markings of a competent agent. I recall Kate had a field day with him over that! Yea, he was surely more respected and acted more maturely those first few seasons of NCIS.

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I've thought that the last several seasons have been pretty boring, but it was constant focus on writing Ziva as the most tragic, or the most loyal, or the most intelligent and skilled agent, or sexy ninja taking down multiple goons twice her size, or everyone's BFF, or the most admired and trusted by Gibbs, or as the apple of Tony's eye. They've done Ziva to death and I personally hope they send her packing because she's kind of a one note character. She seems either smugly pissed off ninety five percent of the time or we get the wobbly lipped damsel in distress when the writers are eliciting sympathy for the character. I'd love to see a new agent take her place and let Tony be once again written as the dangerous competent agent as originally conceived, instead of the bumbling, and always inferior agent to wonder Ziva.

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What will their do if Cote de Pablo does not sign her new contract, wonder what they have planned for next season, more or less everything has been done, for Ziva her father has gone, Tony well they can't keep bring in his father that will just get boring, Gibbd will be just the same a bad tempered, Ducky,Tim and Abby well they will get very little as always, I don't know why they still insist on trying to do a cliffhanger in the season final episode we all know Fornel is not the target, the writers will have to come up with some good story lines for the next season or people will start getting bored and stop watching.

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Ziva did not sleep with Adam in Berlin, she slept with him in January when she went back to Israel for her father's funeral. She cares about Tony. You can tell by the way she stumbled over the word friendship in the last episode. She knows that they are more than friends. She keeps her distance because she feels that everyone who gets to close to her ends up dead or hurt. The way she looks at Tony proves that she cares for him.

NCIS Season 10 Episode 24 Quotes

Morrow: There's a connection between the death of that Navy Seal and what's happening with your team.
Vance: What kind of connection?
Morrow: The murder of Eli David opened a political can of worms that was much bigger than anyone expected.
Vance: Eli and Arash Kazmi wanted to forget a peace. But Bodnar killing them opened the door.
Morrow: Homeland and the CIA wait for chances like this, to stir the pot. Distract governments so that all sorts of recon can happen. The CIA needed Iran to believe Mossad was responsible.
Vance: Are you telling me that Bodnar didn't kill Kazmi?
Morrow: I'm telling you we did it, Leon. The CIA took out Kazmi that night so that Bodnar would end up being the fall guy. Iran and Israel could duke it out while we focused on the real threat. We're all so damned worried about Iran and North Korea when the real threat is here, on home soil.
Vance: It's a shell game isn't it? Keep people distracted.
Morrow: Leon you see why I wanted you to keep your distance?

Vance: Tom Morrow may have a solve. We pull it off this could all go away.
Gibbs: For all of us?
Vance: Clean slate.
Gibbs: What's the catch?
Vance: It might kill you.
Gibbs: So could a bag of clams.
Vance: [laughs] We sure picked one hell of a career didn't we Gibbs?
Gibbs: Got to make a living Leon.