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NCIS Round Table: "Revenge"

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Our NCIS review broke down "Revenge," this week's episode, in detail.

Now, TV Fanatic staff members Steve Marsi, Douglas Wolfe and Christine Orlando have assembled for our weekly Round Table Q&A discussion of various events and topics from this installment.

Join in as we analyze another entertaining hour of TV's #1 show!

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1. How would you describe this week's episode in one word (or two, or three, or four)?

Doug: Absolute closure.

Christine: The Beginning of the Fall.

Steve: Going rogue.

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2. What was your favorite quote or scene from "Revenge?"

Doug: I liked the entire episode. If I had to pick just one scene it would have to be the elevator scene with Tony and Tim: McGee: "If you don't like my rules you can find someone else to drive you in." Tony: "All I wanted was to stop for coffee. I was willing to treat." McGee: "No one eats or drinks in my car." Tony: "Well I guess sex is out of the question." We saw Tony shake his head a bit afterwards, as if he just heard what he said. I actually burst out laughing.

Christine: I liked when Tony returned the plunger to Gibbs. The poor guy is scrambling trying to figure out how to help Ziva and what to do next. Unfortunately I'm not sure Gibbs was much help this time.

Steve: There were so many, but I particularly enjoyed these three: 1) Gibbs knowing Tony would need coffee because he got a ride from McGee; 2) McGee using the NYC foliage phenomenon to pinpoint Bodnar's location, and Bodnar having used it to throw NCIS off his trail; 3) Gibbs quietly covering up whatever he's building in the basement. What do you think it is?!

3. What, if anything, did you not like about the episode?

Doug: There were a number of problems with it. First off: Bodnar had no qualms about shooting Eli - so why didn't he finish the job on Ziva and Tony after t-boning their car? It isn't logical - except for the fact that the writers couldn't exactly kill off two of their main characters. I didn't like that Ziva had qualms about shooting Bodnar just because he didn't have his gun out. I found it unbelievable that in a fight between two equally-trained Mossad agents, the man didn't win out. It's basic physiology: men are typically stronger than women, with more muscle mass. Also Ziva was still feeling the pain of her injuries. A more believable storyline would have had him knock her out and escape (since the writers couldn't obviously have him kill her).

Christine: I understand Ziva slipping back into her all business persona but I have grown tired of the one step forward, three steps back we get between her and Tony. She's holding his hand and making goo goo eyes at him one minute and then barely speaking to him the next. I understand why but I still don't like it.

Steve: That neither Ziva and Tony were more injured in the crash. Not that I wish either character harm, but the cliffhanger ending and climactic scene from the previous week lost a lot of its power when they were suddenly fine. Yes, she was shown in serious pain throughout the episode, but as Doug says, that didn't stop her from taking down Bodnar.

4. Did Ziva do the right thing?

Doug: Her motives, and those of Vance were understandable. However, no, she did the wrong thing. Her mandate as a federal agent was to bring him in, if possible. Her - and NCIS' - specific mandate was to stand down and let Homeland take over. Personally, she did the right thing for herself. Legally, not so much.

Christine: Was what she did understandable? Completely. Was it right? No. They needed him alive and if she hadn't run off and gone rogue perhaps that could have happened.

Steve: In her mind, she did the only thing.

5. Were you surprised Bodnar was taken out with two episodes left in Season 10? Or at all?

Doug: Great question. Yes, I was surprised, and expected his storyline to continue until the end of the season and maybe continue into the next. I was also surprised that Bodnar proved to be the guy behind Eli's death. He had told Ziva that all was not as it seems, and so there was an expectation that the plot was more muddied than it first appeared. To be sure, it is - but only around the death of Arash Kazmi.

Christine: Yes, I expected them to be chasing him until the end. Now I'm guessing the story arc will be about the consequences of Bodnar's death for the team.

Steve: Absolutely. With two episodes to go I don't know how they'll match the intensity, or where they'll take the overall narrative heading into Season 11. But I'm excited to find out.

6. Colin Hanks guest stars next week as DOD investigator Richard Parsons. What impact will he have on the team? What will the fallout be?

Doug: I think he's going to have a devastating impact on the team. He's going to call into question their whole command structure, and will therefore be looking for blood. I doubt anyone - well, maybe except Abby - to come away unscathed. Although even she might be impacted. Basically, anyone who had anything to do with assisting Ziva in her hunt for Bodnar will be brought up on the carpet. At a minimum, I expect Ziva to be charged with arson, or perhaps even murder (though she could claim self-defense).

Christine: Huge fallout. (See my answer to question #1.) Vance was given far too many warnings for there not to be serious consequences. We'll see who still has a job at the end of the season and if anyone is brought up on charges. Needless to say, it won't be pretty.

Steve: He's obviously going to have a huge impact, and there will be ramifications after the way this was all handled. My question is this, though: Is the case even over, beyond the internal investigation? Or are there more loose ends pertaining to Bodnar, Mossad and Eli?

What's your take on these issues of the week on NCIS? Discuss below!

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@Sue Ann -- I live in Ohio, farm country. My accident, I think (but could be off a year??), happened in 1989 on State Route 99. I do know that I was very fortunate, and have since paid attention to how some can be hurt bad and others uninjured in the same crash. When I was in high school, the oldest cousin I had, about to graduate from high school was killed with 2 of the 3 others (she was on a double date) in a car that was hit by a drunk who didn't have his headlights on and didn't slow up. The one who wasn't killed was hospitalized.

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@ Just Asking, But... I was not in Keith Vlasak's accident, but I nearly was in one such myself, back in my youth. I was barreling along on my motorcycle at 50 mph on a paved country road in Illinois, and a truck in front of me suddenly turned left into a farmhouse driveway. Had I been in a car, I would now be dead, as this was before seatbelts were invented. I took my motorcycle onto the right hand verge in the gravel, and slid by. Still scares me to consider it, after all these years. So anyway, there are many places with driveways, and 55 mph speed limits. Actually, back then, the speed limits were usually 65 mph. They had not yet been lowered.

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Keith: On what street were you driving that has a 55 mph speed limit with immediate access to a driveway? That sounds really dangerous. I do agree, however, that even low-impact car crashes can cause serious injury, and you certainly were very lucky that you didn't end up with a couple of fractured patellas, a few cracked ribs and a concussion. They say that a car crash involves three impacts: 1) The car hitting another car (or whatever), 2) the body being thrust forward to the limit of the seat belt and/or into the air bag, and 3) the brain hitting the front of the skull. I imagine you could apply those physics laterally to a T-bone impact as well. So, yeah, you would also be correct in your assumption that Tony and Ziva should have had more serious injuries, especially since both were knocked unconscious.

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@Sue Ann -- I was in a car accident too where a car turned, to pull into a driveway, in front of me. I did hit the brakes hard so that, although I was doing the 55 mph speed limit, I didn't hit their car at anywhere near that speed. My car knocked theirs out of the way and went to the right off the road to a yard that was a couple of feet lower than the road. Again, this wasn't at such speed, but both mother and daughter were fine, although kind of in hysterics; and I broke two knee sized holes in the dash, bent the steering wheel over with my chest when I star-cracked the windshield with the top of my head and I was truly blessed to be perfectly fine without a cut, scratch, bruise on me, able to get out of the car and go over and check on them. Both cars were totaled. People can be fine, but with Tony knocked out and Ziva unable to lift her arm immediately, that implies they had some injuries at least(??).

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yeah the Car crash aftermath could have been written better

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@Michael
For once, I agree with you.

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The car crash was unbelievable I think they could of done so much better

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@MCAL Tony's car was travelling slowly having just pulled away from the intersection, according to the producer/writers on the CBS "Berlin" Insiders Blog the SUV was supposed to be going around 80 mph, and in reality the stunt car was actually doing a very impressive 50 mph plus when it hit Tony's car.

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@Ace Not necessarily true that in TV land the characters have only one brush with death, as I recall in "Bones", Booth has suffered both a life threatening gun shot wound and a brain tumour.

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@Snarkgirl - Bravo! I agree with your comments. The whole Ziva vengeance plot has been poorly drawn. I suffer wank fatigue with Ziva's overdone, over used character and now she's turned her back on the laws she's sworn and paid to uphold. Once again, they've written her into a corner, and if they portray her as the innocent victim again and give her no realistic consequences, it's just bad writing and cheapens the show by leaps and bounds. I also agree the Tony, who even when written poorly, is an interesting character, has been held down for years by the diminishment of his character as Ziva's personal accessory. I want the real Tony back and I would like to see him in a mostly off screen relationship with someone who actually seems to love and appreciate him.

NCIS Season 10 Episode 22 Quotes

There's something you and NCIS must know. As much as I didn't like or trust Arash Kazmi, I did not kill him. There are others who are responsible for the assassination of your father's Iranian friend.

Bodnar

Gibbs: So do we? Lay off?
Vance: The man killed my wife, Gibbs.

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