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@Erin- That's fine, but I never saw Ziva as "wonder woman" who constantly upstaged Tony, or Gibbs, and caused Tony to look like a "butt monkey". I saw many other sides to her, which Ziva haters don't. I don't need a lecture about how terrible Ziva was, and that is the problem I have with alot of these posts- the hatred for that character is way over the top, and then those of us who like Ziva and TIVA are accused of being delusional and need to get over it. I think it's time for Ziva haters to tone it down. She's gone, quite griping about her. You can't even remark on Tony being more mature or introspective without bringing in Ziva and blaming her for making him look bad. It's tiresome.

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@guest - Yes - in seasons one and two Tony was at times written as silly, but he was also written as brilliant, brave, and indispensable. Once Shane Brennan took over as show runner, he turned Ziva into an always superior wonder woman caricature of the "sexy kickass girl" and Tony became the always one upped butt of the humiliating joke. I didn't care for the writing of wonder Ziva or butt monkey Tony. Both characterizations lowered the IQ of the show. Not the actors fault, but it's a big part of why I grew to dislike Ziva and found her incredibly unpleasant and grating. With Kate there was give and take. Sometimes Kate won, sometimes Tony. With Ziva it was always a bloodbath ending with a humiliated Tony and a smirky Ziva. Yuck.

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You Ziva haters really need to give it a rest, since you got your wish. Go back and look at some episodes from Season One and Two. Tony was just as much of an idiot then. Kate was always bashing him and treating him like crap. And the only time she was on Tony's side was so the both of them could gang up on McGee. It wasn't until Tony almost died, one episode before she was killed, that she showed any real respect for him. I never felt they were friends, just happened to work together.

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Oh and in case you didn't notice and I guess you didn't, there were no bullets in the rifle . When Gibbs pulled back the lever action the chamber was empty, kinda like papa Gibbs winchester in Heartland!

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I guess what people fail to remember is that the messianic Gibbs doesn't care if he gets his head handed to him. That 's the Gibbs we used to know, the guy who'd walk into a biohazard room or climb out on a ledge to do his job. He was doing what he felt was right after failing his mentor 2 yrs ago. He would have died to protect those women. Buying time for the team that was coming, but not agitating the locals to join in. McGee was Gibbs backup if he failed and he was following his boss' s wishes. It's not as if McGee didn't assist , he shot the molitov cocktail from the thugs hands, he would have had to defend the position if Gibbs went down. Kinda insulting to call Gibbs elderly too, while he could be an AARP member, he's not old enough for Medicare .Jesh!

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@david - it's nice to know that cdp's fans are willing to give the new girl a chance.

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And now - who is this ugly replacement for Ziva? Nosy, skiny, ugly actres to replace de Pablo? OMG

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IMHO, this was one of the worse episodes.Looked and felt gimmicky. Yes, the women's plight is horrible, not just in afganistan, but in other countries as well. As a civilized nation, we have issues in our very own country when it pertain to the treatment of women. But I digress. Gibbs staring down those afghanis alone is as unrealistic as you can get. He would have had his head sent home on a platter. The writers made McGee look weak, hiding behind the door and near having a heart attack while his elderly boss stood down the enemies was a disgrace to McGee. The woman providing care for the poor,terrified afghanis women was afraid of guns? But had this HUGE rifle in her care? Was this supposed to funny or serious? I thought that was disrespectful to anyone who had the guts to live in such a terror stricken area to be afraid of combat when that is their way of life.

No the writing was horrible. It made the whole issue of the afghanis women plight feel like a gimmick to keep the NCIS ratings up.

What happened to the home land terrorist? What happened to Parsons? What happened to FBI agent F who was shot in the butt? How did they get to Afganistan when the homeland is in such peril?

Stop making McGee look week. Don't show Gibbs looking so old and slow by making his character face thugs (plural) half his age. And for pete's sake don't put polygraph lady in that role again. The was the least funny joke of all.

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This was a fantastic and very moving episode. It also became my favorite Mike Franks episode yet. The story that we as viewers were shown with Gibbs carrying the fate of these 6 women on his shoulders was a real surprise and also very well written to explain to us why Gibbs sometimes bends the rules a bit more than he should. I hated the fact they had Gibbs and the team covering up Ziva's revenge killing, still do, but am prepared to move on and stick with the show as long as they once again start to follow Gibbs' rule 14.

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cathleen, the third kid in the photo was Taly, she's dead, died at 16 of a Hamas suicide bombing I believe. No can do.




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