Supernatural Round Table: "Devil May Care"

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Supernatural fans bore witness to Abaddon's rise to power this week, as "Devil May Care" focused on the return of this redheaded knight and her plans for Crowley.

Was our Round Table team of Carissa Pavlica, Sean McKenna and Alice (from Winchester Family Business) happy to have Abaddon back? Do they want to see more hunters akin to Tracy? And what is their take on Dean's speech to Kevin?

Gather around below and join in the lively Supernatural debate...


What was your favorite scene from the episode?
Carissa: Ezekiel shining his angel though Sam was great. I can still remember the first time we saw Cas do that and the visual still packs a punch - especially coming from one of our beloved Winchester boys, even if it's via angel possession.

Alice: No contest, because it was the most badass thing we've seen on Supernatural in a while.  The demons knock Sam unconscious but unbeknownst to them (fine, Sam too), he's got an all powerful angel hiding inside.  Ezekiel kicking ass with the blue eyes, golden glowing light and extended wings in a Sam meatsuit rocks!  I especially was floored by how damaged Ezekiel's wings were.  He and Sam really need each other right now, don't they?

It's not just that, though. I loved Dean having a talk with Ezekiel afterward, spilling his guts about the burden he's carrying not just for stopping Sam from closing the gates of Hell and letting demons continue to hurt people, but not telling Sam he's possessed by an angel.  The poor dude is really being eaten away by guilt and it's very sad he can't share that burden with Sam.  And yes, Ezekiel was right, he did it all for love. Admit it, Winchester!

Sean: Totally agree with Carissa and Alice. There's always been something cool about seeing those angel wings and Ezekiel/Sam extending his broken ones while taking out three demons at once was fun to watch. Supernatural Season 9 is shaping up nicely so far.

Supernatural Round Table 1-27-15

Are you glad Abaddon is back?
Carissa: No. I've never liked her. I love me a sassy redhead, but she doesn't fit the bill. She over-acts, seems more harmless than harmful and is rather boring. She's probably my least favorite demon they've ever encountered on the show so bringing her back is doing me no favors.

Alice: Hell yes! She's old school, bringing back the days demons were brutal, ruthless savages causing terror and destruction, not salesmen. She's hot tempered (it's the red hair, trust me) and even the red color of her fingernails creeps us out!  She's also smarter than the average demon, so she's not going to go away easily.  I'm looking forward to seeing her and Crowley have evil showdowns in the future.

Sean: I'm interested to see the story set up for her this season. She's a bit over the top, but for now I'm OK with the sexy redheaded demon as another cog in the Winchester's array of problems. It's always enjoyable to see the demon hierarchy and I'm on board with her causing some havoc. That confrontation with her and Crowley should be entertaining.

Do you think Abaddon will ever possess Dean or kill Crowley?
Carissa: If by possess you mean have Dean in the sack? That might be fun to see. He's always been rather sexless and afraid around women, so that might be the one thing that would give her some spark - trying to turn Dean on. If the powers that be ever kill off Crowley in favor that Abaddon I'll take serious issue. She doesn't have nearly the entertainment value found in Mark Sheppard.

Alice: I've often wondered why Dean has never been possessed. Nine seasons he's avoided that. Is that just dumb luck, or is there a reason for that? I would think he's un-possessable or something, but then I remember how easily he fell to ghost sickness and possession by a Spectre, so why can't it happen with a demon or angel?

I'm sorry, what was the question? Oh, Abaddon. Possess Dean, no, especially with good old buddy Ezekiel around. Plus Crowley will never be killed, because he's too awesome.

Sean: Sam's been taken over by both Lucifer and Ezekiel, so what if Abaddon took over Dean? I find the concept interesting, but I also enjoyed the tension between Abaddon and Dean. Fight or make out? Pick one, guys. Also, Crowley is Crowley, and I have a hard time picturing his actual defeat and demise. He always finds a way to pop back in.

Would you want to see more new hunters like Tracy?
Carissa: It would seem that with the portal being opened last year we would have met a lot more already, kind of like all the extra slayers that were spawned on Buffy near the end. I liked Tracy. Not only wouldn't I mind seeing more hunters, I'd like to see more Tracy.

Alice: I'd love to see more hunters. I'd love to see more strong willed and cocky female hunters, but I don't want to see Tracy.  She rubbed me the wrong way.  I thought Krissy was better and I didn't care that much for Krissy. I didn't buy her quick turnaround about Sam after harboring all that resentment for so long just because Dean gave her speech.  Hopefully she won't be back.

Sean: I thought Tracy was fine and I'd be OK with seeing her again. With the primary focus on Sam and Dean saving the world, sometimes it's easy to forget that there are a bunch of other hunters out there. I don't want to be overwhelmed with a cast of new hunters, but it would be nice to see some more of them.

What did you think of Dean's speech to Kevin about family?
Carissa: He was saying it from the heart. It's not always easy for them to be touchy feely in their position as they're always on the run and it seems easier to bottle up their emotions so when the expected death blow hits, they're more prepared. Kevin is still just a kid and needed to hear it. How long that one speech will keep him around is another matter.

Alice: I think it comes a little late, but I always say better late than never.  I wasn't all surprised to see Kevin still have trust issues with Sam and Dean, but it's like those were the words that Kevin had longed to hear for a while.  He got emotional!  I'm still not convinced Dean's speech will earn his loyalty forever, but he's at least on board with the brothers for now.  Maybe when he eventually does leave he'll do so without being so pissed off.

Sean: I was glad Dean was able to squash the issue and express the family speech. And I'm glad that Kevin didn't let Crowley go. I just hope that Kevin isn't later swayed with the prospect his mom might still be out there.

What are Sam and Dean going to do with Crowley?
Carissa: I don't know. But, locking him up to stew in his own juices seems to be the right approach. He was flashing back to his near-exorcism and he didn't like feeling the feels at all. That's exactly what they want him to be doing, because it makes him vulnerable. A vulnerable Crowley is one who will be more likely to work with them and not against them.

Alice: I'd like to see them let him go on their terms, letting him loose to fight Abaddon, rather than something go very wrong and Crowley escape. Dean kept him alive for a reason, and that's because he's useful (plus torture is fun).  He's the devil they know, and that can end up working to their advantage. There's also a reason Crowley hasn't killed them yet. He has a soft spot for the boys. Without them, his life wouldn't be as fun.

Sean: Let him watch more episodes of HBO's Girls. They are going to need him against Abaddon, and I'm curious as to just how changed Crowley is from that near-exorcism. He ramped up his bad guy status last season, and I'm looking forward to seeing how he deals with everything this go around. It's not like it's going to be a slumber party full of pillow fights and ghost stories for Sam, Dean and Crowley.


"Dean describing as Sexless and afraid of women??? " IKR? In what alternate universe is that version of the show playing because it sure as heck isn't the one we've been getting in this universe. LOL Dean's been portrayed as a confident lover of the ladies since Day 1 when he jokingly hit on Sam's girlfriend in the pilot. That's such a blatant twisting of the truth it's impossible to take you people seriously at all.


Ok I have to make one correction on myself: Sean DID say he enjoyed the tension between Abaddon and Dean. But still,he should have called Carissa out on her blatant lie.


As I was saying Merry, there have been a lot of other reviewers who did notice and comment on what they saw as hot sexual chemistry between Jensen and Alaina, even ones who tend to favor Sam, so it doesn't bother me and it shouldn't bothers you that this group didn't see it or comment on it.


Merry, why would it surprise you that this groups didn't mention the Abaddon /Dean scene? Did you really think they would? It's pretty much a given that at any time in all their roundtables no matter what their favorite scene is always gonna be a Sam one, no surprise there, still, you'd think that the A/D scene deserved at least a mention. But then Clarissa doesn't like the actress or the character. I'm betting though, had that scene played out with Jared instead of Jensen her whole perspective would have changed and they'd all be raving about the "smoking hot" chemistry LOL.
The fact that they raved about the Sam/Zeke scene while ignoring this one didn't surprise or upset me. The only thing that pissed me off was Clarissa's HUGE LIE about Dean's sexuality and the fact that the others just let it go.After that none of them have any integrity as SPN reviewers in my opinion.
There are other bloggers who, while still a bit Sam biased, DID notice and mention what they saw as super hot sexual chemistry between Jensen and Alaina, so a great many bloggers, even Sam favoring ones, have been raving about it. So I'm not bothered that this group didn't think much about it.


Dean is not sexless and afraid women that is wrong he always been a womanizer since season 1 maybe afraid of one woman and that was Ellen who was back in season 2 and that was only a little bit. if anything hes afraid of Committing to someone because of Losing them he did Commitment to Lisa back in 6 and it showed he was afraid that she may die like his mother and Jessica from demons to get at him. I think that Dean should get possessed at one point I would love to see that.


And Sally, you must have skimmed over the article in a big way for you to make your patronizing statements. We are NOT upset that these people gave such glowing reviews for Sam and lukewarm ones for Dean. I fully expect that from this group and most SPN bloggers. What we are upset about is that Carissa BOLDFACED LIED about a character trait of Dean that we've seen from day one. Would you feel the same way if a Jensen/Dean biased blogger( fat chance finding one of those) made up a complete 180* lie about something that's been shown to be a part of Sam's character from day one? No? Of course not, didn't think so. And you know what? You'd have EVERY right to be pissed!
BTW, I LIKE SAM! And again, I'm not upset that these people favor him. But that doesn't condone one of them completely lying about the pother one just because they don't like him as much.


Sally, the point is not that they like Jared/Sam more, although yes they are a very biased group. They can hate Jensen/Dean, that's not the point. The point is someone like Carissa must be so extremely colored by her bias that she's making up complete lies about the character. She doesn't like Dean, she prefers Sam., big deal, moist of these bloggers do, but to make such a false statement about a character, who we've seen from day one portrayed as a swaggering, flirty, promiscuous guy and then to say "Dean has always been rather sexless and afraid of women so it would be fun to see if Abaddon can turn him on" is stating a complete 180 lie about the canonical facts. That's why Carissa, in my opinion, isn't qualified to review SPN any longer.


Why is it because someone says something about Dean that all this they must be all about Jared and Sam ? . As if 1) thats not allowed because how dare anybody like Sam/Jared but 2) that nobody can say anything about Dean unless it is always in the positive and the complaints coming from people that spit on Sam/Jared at a moments notice. So what what was said does it change how anybody sees Dean . Was there mass put downs of Dean in this review , is the mass rejection of Dean around the fandom . Of course not . Why does everything as to be a some storm in a tea cup because of Dean or anything said.


@Merry They're extreme Sam/Jared fans and probably only follow fellow Sam/Jared fans on twitter and tumblr who watch the show for Sam/Jared so there's no point in wishing for a less biased review, though one based in reality that doesn't bash Dean/Jensen would have been nice.


This is bullshit review I've ever read so far. Dean describing as Sexless and afraid of women??? Oh my god, did they even watch the show? Dean is the one who always flirts with women since S1E1.
As for the best and most impressive scene of "Devil May Care", how come no one ever mention on the scene between Dean and Abbadon with full of chemistry? Tumblr almost exploded with their images of Abbadon grabbing and threatening Dean (e.g, you gave a girl all sorts of nasty ideas etc) Come on, you guys, didn't you check the reaction of fans on tumblr and tweeter?

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Supernatural Season 9 Episode 2 Quotes

Torture? Brilliant. Can't wait to see Sam in stilettos and a leather bustier really putting the S.A.M. into S & M.


Abaddon: I so appreciate you boys coming when I call. That's what I like most about you Winchesters. Obedient... and suicidally stupid. I like that, too.
Dean: We going to fight or make out, 'cause I'm getting some real mixed signals here.