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I forgot to mention Partridge as also no fit for what we know or have been shown about RJ. All 7 of Jane's suspects are certainly involved with RJ in some way but only one is RJ and only one fits everything we know and have been shown about RJ. Everyone one except Kirkland would need a suddenly created back story to explain why he is RJ. Only Kirkland has the back story already put in place for us through various episodes. I can't imagine the writers ignoring all that and coming up with an RJ right out of the blue. But maybe that is what the My Blue Heaven ep is all about. If so, it's very poor story telling.

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If the TM writers have any integrity, RJ will conform to what Lorelei said: the handshake, possibility of becoming good friends, both so much alike. There also has to be indications of RJ's plaintive personality and motive for serial killing. These would have to have been shown in the series so we can say: "Oh, of course!" To create a sudden back story for RJ that is totally new to viewers won't fly. It is impossible to look at Bertram, Haffner, Smith or McCallister and find anything in previous episodes that suggests he has the Lorelei/serial killer characteristics. Stiles fits only as an enabler of RJ. Only one character fits ALL characteristics and that is Kirkland. Since we now know there have been 2 of them, at least one is not dead. Look at the strange handshake when they met. It was combined with bumping into each other, not how handshakes are usually done, so I take that as a clue. Then the writers put Kirkland in Red Dawn. To show that the story was about to wind down and here is the guy we should start looking at? We have had Jane/Kirkland eps that show how alike they are: childhood abuse (leading one to serial killing), severe emotional trauma, willing to torture and kill (tho for different reasons), driven to seek revenge at all costs, etc., etc. If Kirkland (either one) is RJ, we have seen all the back story we need to say, "Of course!" It's the only believable scenario as far as I can tell.

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I think the three with the dots are members of tiger, tiger. I can't figure out if they also have ties with Red John. So I think one of the guys without the dots is Red John. Jane left Lisbon on the beach to protect her. I can't wait to see the next episode.

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Question for those of you who have followed 'The Mentalist' from the beginning: will you feel cheated if Red John turns out to be Smith or McAllister? Smith, of course, didn't make an appearance on the show until the fifth season; while McAllister, until this season, had been absent since the second episode of the first season. In other words: two individuals who essentially have been non-entities for the vast majority of the series might turn out to be the show's central villain.

My thought is that if the clues provided provided in earlier seasons, especially seasons 1-4, fit either suspect, it works for one of them to be Red John, but if they don't (and some of them certainly do not), then Heller et al. have plenty of 'splainin to do.

When productions ceases on 'The Mentalist' -- and, alas, the time may well be nigh -- it would be fascinating to hear a candid interview from Heller on just when Red John's (final) identity was penciled in and what factors went into determining it. (What did the series creator know and when did he know it?)

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3. Both.
5. The tattoo might be Tyger Tyger and therefore RJ doesn't have the tattoo but we don't have enough info to determine anything.

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I hate to do this to the shippers (and I am one, tho very patient about letting it play out), but Jane's remark that Lisbon has been in law enforcement for 20 years puts her out of any baby making scenarios some shippers love. She as to be over 40 by now. And we still have those 2 years of Jane in S. America to add to this. Other than that, I loved the sunset scene and Jane's psyching himself up for the confrontation to come. The scene where he took one last look at the room where he had found the bodies of his wife and child was heartbreaking. Simon Baker is such a wonderful actor!

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@ rationalgal

Maybe I can give you all some words of comfort. I had two children after the age of 40; indeed, I was 44 when my youngest was born. And yes, most of her friends think I am her grandmother, but I deal. I have less energy than younger moms, but perhaps a bit more wisdom. Well, at least a bit of perspective! I'm sure Lisbon and Jane would be great parents.

Entwife
@ rationalgal

Hahaha! You need to try a very short one-shot written by clairebare called Late Notice. It's a hoot and takes on this age and Jisbaby thing.

Angie-lavoie
@ Entwife

Jisbaby thing! *cracking up* :-D

Angie-lavoie
@ rationalgal

Yes, rationalgal, it's getting a bit tight with that baby thing, eh? Oh well, they can always adopt if they really want to - and IF they ever get together! :-)
My favorite scene was also the one at the house. Jane going up to the room with the smiley to re-motivate himself. My favorite moment was when McAllister pulled down his shirt and Jane whipped around, shotgun ready, with that predatory look on his face. Pure blood lust! Awesome acting, Mr. Baker.
Stiles: Not sure. He's a great con man himself, so could be faking his dying... Sunset: You guys said it all already. RJ: Still no clue. :-)

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Entwife
@ bonaduz

That was a fabulous scene, @bonaduz. All without a word. The guy is phenomenal! And he's managed the same thing with one word in the sneak peek for 607 The Great Red Dragon. Wow, what a gift, that sneak peek, I loved it. And Tunny did the same thing with two words. I'm really thinking Jane is in big trouble with Lisbon, even if only briefly! I hope she gets him back on her own usually physical Lisbony way!

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Angie-lavoie
@ Entwife

I just watched that sneak peak! Oh my, was I thinking of you (watery Lisbon eyes...) LOL! Wonderful scene - can't wait.

Katempw

Excellent round table. Enjoyable as always.

Still no idea on RJ's identity. Loved Jane at his house preparing to confront RJ. Adored the sunset scene too. Would like Stiles to be around to haunt the TM world after Jane returns from SA but fear he really is dying -- in a timeframe convenient to the end of the RJ plot. As for the blasts, beyond thinking they are RJ's doing, I have no idea. The gunshot might have been one of the guys on the couch grabbing a gun from the floor. Lastly, I think Jane was motivated by both things when he ditched Lisbon. He did it to protect her life, limb and reputation, to prevent her from compromising her principles and also to ensure he could go through with what he felt, still feels, he must do. But he meant what he said to her. 100%.

And, WOW, that 6.07 sneak peek pretty much gives us confirmation on that, don't you think?

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@ katempw

oh yes, the sneak peek is definite confirmation of Jane's feelings. That little smile, such relief conveyed with so little effort. wow. And it looked totally reciprocated to me :)

Angie-lavoie

Hey guys! Ahhhh, what an episode, eh? So much to talk about.
One thing I noticed about the explosion: Jane texted the 5 suspects the meeting point at his house in Malibu, when he was still in Sacramento! It gave RJ enough time to rush ahead (if he's that powerful - or rich - he could fly with a helicopter or plane) and plant the bomb. It would have taken Jane and Lisbon approximately 6 1/2 to 7 hours to get there. Plenty of time for RJ!

Entwife
@ bonaduz

I thought about that, too. I thought it was only a three hour drive. But 7. He should have been at the house when he made those texts. Then he might have actually caught RJ!




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