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On the Arrow Season 2 Episode 12 round table we're digging into Roy's induction to Team Arrow, whether he's through with the Mirakuru changes, Moira's mayoral run and what Laurel might make of seeing Sara alive.

Join in the discussion with staff writers Nick McHatton, Carla Day, Hank Otero, Kate Brooks and Carissa Pavlica. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to provide your own answers to all of these scintillating questions and get an amazing conversation going.

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Were you surprised Oliver revealed himself to Roy so soon?

Nick: It's probably not Oliver's first choice, but it's the only option he could use to get the situation under control. Like he explains, Arrow couldn't get through to Roy but Thea could, so he uses that connection to his advantage.

Carla: Absolutely. I expected him to keep the secret as long as possible. Oliver has only revealed his identity when absolutely necessary and it was here too. He's willing to give up his secret to save lives which is core to his being. I'm glad he did though because it opens up so much more. Roy will trust him more which is necessary to prevent a repeat of whatever happened with Slade. They can begin their hero journey together.

Hank: I was surprised the reveal took place before the finale, but I'm glad it did. Like Carla said, Roy will now trust Arrow/Oliver much more. The kid's never really had anyone looking out for him. I loved the look on Roy's face when he realized it was Oliver that saved his life way back in Season 1 Episode 18. Though the Mirakuru is affecting his personality, I think this is a brand new start for Roy. I'm psyched he's part of "Team Arrow."

Kate: No, I think it was the only way to get to Roy. Roy doesn't trust anyone and there was no either way. Will it bite Oliver in the butt, I believe so, yes.

Carissa: I'm really surprised, but I shouldn't be. I should know by not to expect the unexpected, and yet I still find myself thinking of Arrow as I do other shows, when they have clearly set themselves so very far apart (and above).

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What do you think will happen as a result of Moira running against Blood for Mayor?

Nick: I'm hoping it will begin to cause more people than just Laurel to get some red flags about Blood. Aside from Thea, most of Moira's dirty laundry has already been hung around Starling City, so this might be the catalyst necessary for him to completely slip up with Slade. Additionally, with Moira running Oliver might take his rose-colored glasses he has for Blood off.

Carla: War! A showdown between the Queens and Blood will be coming and it will be awesome. I'm sure that Slade's not going to be thrilled by the development. Moira's life could end up in danger. It also opens up a reason for Thea's paternity to come out. I'm excited for this path. It gives Moira a purpose within Starling City and on the show. Otherwise, she would have been relegated to Oliver and Thea's mother.

Hank: Politics is a without a doubt a filthy game. Blood's going to come after Moira with everything he's got and Oliver will take his mother's side. I'm not sure what the catalyst will be, but Blood is going to find himself on Oliver's bad side for sure. Like I said last week, I'm ready for Blood's story arc to end so Deathstroke can come front and center.

Kate: I want Moira to win! As a result, Thea discovers who her father really is thus driving another wedge between them.

Carissa: It's going to put Oliver into a really awkward position, that's for sure. He's been backing Blood extensively, and to pull his support will be a substantial blow. It will be interesting to see how the city reacts. It will cause Blood to take the gloves off and start fighting nasty, and I can even see him doing things for his own purposes that Slade wouldn't be pleased about. It should be a fun ride!

Roy's Super Strength
Roy's newfound super strength could be an asset or a curse depending upon how he handles it on Arrow.

Thea's purpose was to propel story for both Roy and Moira. What else do you wish for her?

Nick: Right now, they're using her innocence and relationships with her family to drive the rest of the story forward, but once the truth about Malcolm comes to light Thea will probably have a big arc. There's a lot there, she's been raised as a Queen, but she's still half Merlyn. She's forgiven Moira, but Moira hasn't been completely truthful with her. Plus, her attachment to Oliver and Tommy.

Carla: For now, I like the path that Thea's on. Not every character can be at the forefront. She's supportive of Moira and will perhaps help with the campaign. She's got the club to run. And, she has a lot to deal with as Roy's girlfriend and it's only going to get more complicated now that Roy has joined Team Arrow. Plus, the secret that Malcolm's her father will eventually come out.

Hank: I'm just so glad the writers managed to turn the character around. Thea was one of my least favorite characters last season and now she's so cool. I agree with Nick, once Thea finds out Malcolm is her father there's a ton of juicy material to explore. Speaking of Merlyn Sr., it's nice to see the writers have not overused him this season. I think Barrowman is much better in smaller doses.

Kate: I am not sure, Thea has grown a lot since last season and the fact she was telling Laurel to go home was nice role reversal. I don't wish anything more for Thea, I just hope that she stays the same. Her character, at this point and time, is good where she is.

Carissa: I don't need her to be front and center, but always being secondary to another person's story kind of puts her in the Laurel position. It will be interesting to see where they take her character if and when she learns she's a Merlyn.

Slade and Oliver are mending fences on the island. Should we assume the Mirakuru has more in store for Slade and perhaps more for Roy by way of personality changes?

Nick: Absolutely, rekindling friendships/connections is probably the first step in Mirakuru Personality Detox. Slade is a survivalist first, and that's going to play against his friendship with Oliver and love for Shado with the Mirakuru coursing through his system. Whatever happens, we know it doesn't end amicably. I see Roy as someone much stronger that Slade, he's a young guy who is also a survivalist, but he's also someone looking for a home and acceptance more so than surviving. Roy's circumstances have changed, and he'll probably be able to handle the Mirakuru much more efficiently because of those circumstances.

Carla: Definitely. Something happens that causes Oliver to put an arrow through Slade's eye. It's probably a confrontation that's heightened as a result of the Mirakuru. Plus, we know that Slade on the island is not the Slade we see today. The Mirakuru has altered him and continued to do so in some manner. And for Roy, he's just at the beginning of his Mirakuru journey. I hope that Oliver has better luck getting Roy to control his impulses than he had with Slade. Another failure would be heart-breaking for Oliver and devastating for Roy.

Hank: Again, Nick and I are thinkin' along the same lines. Slade seemed much less interested in friendships or relationships, even loving Shado from afar. With Roy, we've got someone who has always wanted a family and a purpose. With Oliver letting him in on his secret identity, that's earth- shattering. I'm sure he will struggle a bit due to the Mirakuru, but ultimately Oliver's going to make a difference in Roy's life. At least that's what I'm hoping. Imagine if after all this Carissa is right, and Roy becomes Slade's right hand man... I'd be seriously bummed out LOL

Kate: Yeah, absolutely. Mirakuru scares Oliver and thus scares me. As Oliver revealed, he put an arrow through his eye. There are ultimately some changes that are going to be negative.

Carissa: There is a reason they slowly unveil the scenes on the island to coincide with certain scenes in the present, and I am worried that we don't know what happened between Oliver and Slade because of what the future holds for Roy. If our poll is any indication, more viewers than not are wary that all is going so well with Roy so soon.

Imagine the first scene we will see between Laurel and Sara.

Nick: I imagine Laurel's going to wonder just how much she's been drinking for her to "hallucinate" Sara. Even so, Laurel is still in hardcore denial, and I don't even know if Sara coming back from the dead for her will be enough for Laurel to seek help.

Carla: Laurel will be shocked and probably not believe her eyes. When Oliver made that call, I figured it was Sara that he was calling and I'm glad that he called her. It's time that Laurel learn the truth. It may push her away from everyone, but at least she'll know the truth. After Laurel's initial disbelief, I'm not sure how it will go. She could hug her and welcome her back, but I guess it's more likely she'll feel betrayed and push Sara away.

Hank: I've got to say that Laurel stumbling around and falling on her butt was the funniest thing I've ever seen on Arrow. I must have rewound that scene a dozen times just to see her crash on the floor. I imagine Laurel is going to be pretty upset when she finds out Sara's alive. I mean, she's always the last to find things out. I'm with Nick, I think that last scene sealed Sara's fate. Laurel taking her place as Canary seems inevitable.

Kate: Laurel is going to be like WTF and Sara is going to explain what happened, not the full truth, and Laurel is going to hate Oliver. But I'm glad Sara is returning in present day.

Carissa: I'd imagine a mixture of emotions. Laurel will be torn between happiness that her sister is alive and pain that the secret was kept from her. The more she learns others knew, the more it will hurt and the more she'll want to lash out. But if Sara is honest and tells her what coming back means to her safety, then maybe she'll realize the enormity of her current situation. Eventually.

If you have anything else to say, dig in before things get overwhelming!

Nick: With Sara going to visit Laurel, I'm really scared for Sara's fate now. Does anyone else feel the same way?

Carla: I'm intrigued by Amanda Waller's visit to Bronze Tiger. We have a few different DC universe groups in play now and that's exciting. Arrow has done a good job of expanding the world and pulling in the appropriate players at the right time while focusing on the main players.

I'm looking forward to the big showdowns that are coming both in present day Starling City and back on the island. The stories have been moving along at a quick, but sustainable rate. Each week, it's exciting to see what surprises the writers have for us.

Hank: Though the use of Bronze Tiger has been disappointing so far, I love the possibilities for the Suicide Squad. I'm betting they're saving the Squad for Season 3, at least the real meaty stuff. I'm also very excited about the introduction of Nyssa al Ghul next week. Callin' it now, Nyssa kills Sara.

Kate: Stephen Amell posted on his Facebook that we should expect much more shirtless Oliver. Can I get an amen?! This was underutilized In the first half of season 2.

Carissa: While I like the nods to things like the Suicide Squad, we still haven't heard anything about Diggle's Bing search into H.I.V.E. If his search was fruitful, shouldn't it lead to some connection to assassins and possibly Deathstroke? Let's get an update on his search into the info Deadshot gave him before we start piling on more. His investigation is important!

Carissa Pavlica is a staff writer for TV Fanatic. Follow her on Twitter and on Google+.

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Shoot - I'm so late on this! 1. I wasn't surprised, actually. We all know that Roy Harper becomes Oliver Queen's sidekick - it was just a matter of time. Roy's unfortunate Mirakuru incident was the perfect catalyst. 2. Rob Ford's gonna show up and it'll be Battle of the Bad Mayors!! No - seriously, Carissa's right. The repercussions are going to be greatest for Oliver, who's now going to be right in the middle of family and the politician he's been steadfastly supporting. 3. I LOVE what they've done with Thea. She went from an annoying, rebellious teenager to a young mature woman with a good head on her shoulders. Her character development has been great, and I just want her to stay that way. 4. Hmmm. Hard to say. I think Nick and Hank are on to something. However, in the comics, Roy Harper is kind of a jerk. The Mirakuru may be how they work that into the series. 5. Laurel in a Rob Ford-ian drunken stupor (I'm from Toronto, I can make these jokes), not sure if what she's seeing is real. 6. STILL not happy with the casting of Amanda Waller. She's just not intimidating enough, and until we see some real bad-assery from her, that will be a sore spot for me on the show.

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Sara isn't going to die since she is in episode 17 in the present day. However, I think Laurel will die, and we've already seen how. The man at the bar in this episode poisoned her.

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1. No, I wasn't surprised but I still think it will come back and bite Team Arrow on the butt before it's all said and done. I think Roy will swing toward his darker tendencies. Not saying he'll turn into a villain but I do think he'll flirt with that edge before (if) he comes back to the side of good and gains control over himself. 2. I think Moira running for Mayor will shift some alliances. Blood's been running on moonbeams and rainbows for most of the time here, getting to grandstand and look good in the spotlight. If people -- like Oliver -- begin throwing their support behind Moira instead, that's going to tick Blood off. I can see him holding no punches when he goes after Moira, and I mean that in a no holds barred politics kind of way as well as danger. I mean, the guy's a wee bit unhinged so.... Watch out, Queen Family! I can see the end now: Moira wins Mayor but loses her daughter as the truth is reveals about the paternity. 3. I think Thea is more likeable this year but she still needs fleshing out and to expand her a bit with "her own thing." I think that's coming with the paternity issue and Moira keeping the secret. I'll be shocked if Oliver doesn't find out first and sit on it, thinking he's protecting his sister, so that when Thea finds out they ALL knew and hid it, she'll feel like she has no one left. If it's one thing I constantly talk about wanting on this show is female friendships. Would it kill the show to let Thea and Felicity talk? I mean, they hang around Oliver all the time. You'd think they'd strike up a conversation once in awhile, maybe become friends. I think the same thing about Felicity and Sara. Good potential friendship there too, but that's another comment for (hopefully) another episode. 4. Totally. Slade is so gonna spiral to the bottom and when the time comes to choose the anger/revenge or control/forgiveness, he's gonna topple right over edge. I think Roy will be put in that same position only he'll make the opposite choice. 5. I'm glad Sara's back. I've missed her. 6. Curious about where the Amanda Waller thing is going to go. I like that brewing softly in the background, under everybody's radar. I think I'm most curious and excited about how all these pieces are going to fold into the storyline by the end of Season 2. And for crying out loud are we ever going to find out who the mystery legs belonged to from Season 1? Is Isabel EVER going to serve a point?

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@ Smoak&Arrow

Good post, as for the legs I'm pretty confident those belong to Amanda Waller the 2 times we have seen her this year the first focus has been on her red shoes and as for Isabel i would put good money on the fact she was the one who put the bid on the prototype earthquake device

Leon-uchiha

Laurel is going to have a lot mixed emotions in the next episode. I am guessing there will be a lot of truths she will be pushing to get out of Sara and will start feeling anger towards her and Oliver as she will not see it as a safety concern like they do.
I am hoping Sara doesn't die throughout season 2. It would suck for Laurel (and the Lance family) to realise the truth about her only to have her gone in the upcoming episodes. With the introduction of Nyssa next week, I am hoping Sara becomes the new fifth member of 'Team Arrow' as she will need their support. Although I know Oliver will assist if she does not wish to become part of the team.
I don't think Roy will ever properly control the Mirakuru, as I have not seen any indication of him getting a super suit or picking up a bow either. Although he has found a new respect for Oliver saving his life, I think there will be a lot more of Oliver's buttons he will be pushing as he learns to fight, try to be himself around Thea and his outlet in Sin!
I am just hoping Sara stays alive for the season finale so she, Oliver and Roy take down Deathstroke, as I don't think Oliver is a match for the present Slade alone. I know a lot of fans will hate me for this but, but I would be more afraid of Deathstoke than Ras al Ghul :P

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@ Leon Uchiha

I hope Deathstroke isn't going anywhere any time soon. Not only do Slade and Oliver have history, we need long-term villains and not pop and drop types. I hope any showdown they have is merely a beginning of a very long arc spanning the series. We know and understand Slade, which makes his villain extremely interesting on a lot of levels, in losing the emotional. To lose him so early would be a pity.

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I have a question... Are you happy with the super powers thing??? I prefer season 1, because it was more "Nolan style".....

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@ Andrés

I'm not considering Mirakuru powers. They were given a serum that was cooked up and injected which is more realistic than powers. I say realistic as Oliver dons a green hood and becomes invisible and tiny Sara can kick anyone's ass. It's relative, I guess!

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@ Carissa Pavlica

Jet Li and Tony Ja are both smaller builds but i would put good money on them destroying somebody a lot bigger than them, weight in fighting is over rated if you know how to fight more than strength is involved

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@ Carissa Pavlica

Tiny Sara aka Caity Lotz is a real life badass she could kick a lot of peoples asses

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@ Ackerlover

Indeed, but even in fights, people fight in classes. You don't normally go for your black belt against a 6'7" 250 pound guy, do you? Maybe you do. I don't have one. Lol

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Well, its already been revealed Sara won't die. She's listed to be in the upcoming 'Birds of Prey' episode. I doubt Laurel will die, next week, cause she's important to Slades plans. As to Quintin, killing him before then finally would be bold but he's too popular to kill off now... however the mom, who gets kidnappened is only a guest character & one who died in the comics & that death was pivitol to Black Canery's story. So odds are its her who will die.

Carla-day

I don't think Laurel will end up being Black Canary. If anything, she'll turn against Oliver and Sara. Perhaps, swayed to Slade's side? And between Laurel and Sara, I think Laurel will die. It would be another death like Tommy's that would propel the story forward.

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@ Carla Day

Though I'm not a Laurel fan, I can't imagine them killing her off. Comics fans would freak out, they're supposed to end up together. Of course, many things have been switched up. I just think killing Laurel would be HUGE, not sure it's in the cards.

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@ Carla Day

I tend to think that the more fans want someone to die, the less likely it is to happen. Laurel as Raven would work, but I know better than to place bets. Lol

Spindae-2o

Great RT, as always ;)
1. The Reveal! I was surprised it happened in this episode but with the Lance drama coming up it should've been obvious it would happened in Tremors.
2.Moira going Mayor!
I think it will bring Malcom back into our "lives". There are so many storylines going on currently that it indicates we'll get an explosive finish. I think this will bring Blood and Slade on colision cause Blood will go for elimination while Slade is taking on the slow road so Oliver gets more hurt.
3. Will Thea get a story on her own?
I really hope so. The "Birds of Prey" episode is coming soon and I think Thea could escape with Helena after finding out the truth about her paternity. They are going to break her. I'm really sad Willa was so great in The OC and it's a shame she can't go all out with her skills.
4.Slade vs Oliver.
Slade seems pretty in control in present time. I believe the Shado truth will over trigger his rage and make him go on a killing spree and than Oliver will need to end his life or think he finished it at least.
5. Laurel meeting Sara.
Laurel will wait for Quentin to bring back her mother, but Sara will appear as well. The sister hug it out in tears when all of a sudden an arrow will strike Laurel cheast. Nyssa's arrow. Cliffhanger see you after Sochi.
6. My thought.
The writers should back of a bit from the name dropping and work through this huge amount of character they have now.Would be nice to see Malcolm and Slade find a common goal and plot together.

Heathr14

Interesting theories... Definitely been waiting for some better moments from laurel. Still find her to be my least favorite character. Based on her actions until now she will not forgive Sara easily and much less Oliver. Looking forward to seeing how the rest of the season goes!

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@ Heathr14

Hi Hank's sister! Hank n Heather. Perfect. Honeymoon avatar? ;-) Is laurel worse than Blood? What's your recipe for least favorite? Agree she won't forgive easily. She can't even accept a glass of water for goodness sakes!

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@ Carissa Pavlica

Hey Carissa! Nope not a honeymoon avatar, just a picture from visiting my sister in Vegas :) I think laurel's like-ability is worse then blood because blood is almost a necessary evil and his days are obviously already counted. Laurel for being one of the heroines has no redeeming characteristics.... She's whiny and gullible and up until now hasn't done anything worthy of being a main character.... I know that she won't be killed off but I hope the writers try to improve her character a bit now going into the Sara arc....

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@ Heathr14

Hey sister! Thanks for commenting, and glad you're back and all caught up with Arrow. Does this mean we're back on for Amell Wednesdays next week? Only three episodes left before TTP moves to Monday night :(

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@ Henry A. Otero

Definitely up for Amell Wednesdays but starting next week cuz this week I'm hosting a dinner for Jenny Rod for her wedding ....

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You know present-day Sara is confirmed through Episode 17 and probably lasts to the finale. They killed Tommy off last year, so all bets are off after that. I'm hoping she doesn't "die" simultaneously in both storylines, but we'll see.

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@ BBussey

What's unique about Sara is if she dies in the present, she'll still have a story in the past that can be told simultaneously. Someone has to know what she was up to and if, for example, Laurel would take over as Canary, then she could learn all about her sister and they would both remain on the show. I'd still like for them both to have a role. It's so difficult to want so much!

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@ Carissa Pavlica

But Sara in her comeback asked if Slade was alive, so I assume she disappears before their blow out. And I think they'll finish the Slade Island chapter by season 2 end.

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@ Carissa Pavlica

It also would be interesting if Sara survives and becomes handicapped, which leads her into the Oracle-type role and allows for future Bird Of Prey episodes.

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@ Carissa Pavlica

Except that we already know that these events happen by the end of the Amazo saga: * past-Sara "dies" (established S2E4)
* past-Slade "dies" (S1E1, S2E1, S2E8, S2E9, S2E12)
* Anatoli Knyazev (KGBeast) gets rescued by Oliver/Slade/Sara (S2E6)
* Amazo is eventually sunk (S2E1) and Ivo killed (S2E8). Even though we know now that Sara didn't die when Amazo was sunk, her storyline over the next four years doesn't interact at all with the rest of the Arrow-verse. So it's unlikely that the writers will explore those four years (no matter how interesting they could be) unless Sara somehow survives this season and remains alive after Laurel assumes the Canary alter-ego. It sure would be a good basis for Caity Lotz anchoring a CW Canary spin-off series though.

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@ BBussey

I gave up on Laurel becoming BC in this show. Another prank of the authors IMO that I added in their 'things-are-not-what-you-think-they-are' list.

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@ BBussey

I prefer Caity as Canary and if they are going to kill her at least keep her until season 3 finale.

Arrow Season 2 Episode 12 Quotes

Oliver: You hacked into a prison system network?
Felicity: Is that judgment I'm hearing?
Oliver: Pride.

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