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The Mentalist Round Table: Brown Eyes Girls

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Lisbon accused Patrick Jane of having ulterior motives for interrupting her date with Marcus Pike... but it turned out what he had found was a human trafficking ring on The Mentalist Season 6 Episode 19.

Below, TV Fanatics Robin Harry and Christine Orlando are joined by The Mentalist fan, Entwife to debate why Lisbon took so long to come clean about her possible move to D.C. and whether or not there is a secret Jisbon shipper on the FBI team...

The Mentalist Round Table

Will Jane tell Lisbon that he has feelings for her?

Robin: While I'm sure there will be arguments that he has no feelings for her, that end scene was surely not the look of a man who's certain his love is platonic. (Sorry, non-shippers!).  However, I don't think he will do anything about it unless some outside situation compels or propels him to do so.  

Entwife:  Yes, I think he will eventually. At this point in the season "eventually" needs to be very quick. I think he made a camouflaged start in the ending scene where they so flagrantly lied to each other about their feelings about Pike and the DC move. From the promo for next week, he seems to take the next step of saying he hopes she'll stay. And she responds very happily, from my point of view. It needs to move pretty fast from there. But then, of course, we get the grand jury obstacle.

Christine:  Lisbon joining the FBI in Austin was one of the top things on Jane's list when he signed his deal. I think his first instinct is to step back and let her be happy but I'm really hoping that something will compel him to tell her how he really feels because I think watching her walk away will break his heart.

Why didn't Lisbon tell Jane sooner about her possible move D.C.?

Robin:  She also thought Jane was disrupting her date on false pretense, so I don't think she knows how Jane feels about her relationship. I think she didn't tell him because she was uncertain and afraid of what his reaction would be. Judging by that last scene, she expected him to be upset or contrary.

Entwife:  I think she was being a bit cowardly and actually somewhat hostile. She didn't want to face it, apparently intended to let him find out by the grapevine. Very cruel and irresponsible in a friendship, in my opinion. Even her response to Abbott revealed underlying hostility, essentially he's a "psychic," let him figure it out. She knows he's not a psychic. It was a patent lie. Is it what she intended to say to Jane when he found out and probably confronted her with it? Ow. Payback for the times he just up and left her?

Christine:  I think she's just as conflicted about her feelings for Jane as he is about her. He's most certainly hurt her in the past and has lied to her frequently. I think she's uncertain what Jane's feelings for her truly are and she's probably afraid to find out one way or another.  In other words, it's complicated.

Smiling Over Chinese
Jane, Lisbon, and Pike are all smiling over Chinese. Does Jane know she's considering leaving Austin?

Is Abbott a Lisbon shipper? Why was he encouraging Lisbon to tell Jane?

Robin: I wouldn't brand him a shipper on that one conversation. He's just a man with a normal human sense of decency, who knows that people as close as Lisbon and Jane are tell each other when they're contemplating a life-altering decision. Abbott likes Jane and just didn't want to see him blind-sided.

Entwife:  Thank goodness for Abbott! He acted as the moral compass for Lisbon about what she was doing. When she realized it had already got to Abbott, and he was warning her that Jane was about to find out, he was nudging Lisbon to at least be honorable with Jane if she was truly going to leave. Her reaction seemed both fear and pain when she got in that elevator. Perhaps embarrassment, too. I do think Abbott is a kindly, subtle shipper. He might not directly interfere. But he's seen them as a couple from the beginning, his opinion hasn't changed and I think he has a fondness for them and empathy for their troubled times right now.

Christine:  Abbott has grown fond of them both and he knows how hard Jane lobbied to get Lisbon to come to Austin to begin with. He could see that Lisbon was in denial and made her face it. I'm not sure if he's a shipper, but he seems to be a good buy who cares about his team. 

What was the best Patrick Jane moment of the episode?

Robin: This episode was one of the best Patrick Jane showcases since Red John. The case was interesting, and brought out most of the things that make Patrick a complex and fascinating character. My favorite moment would be his comforting of the dying girl in the bed.  That's a side of Patrick we don't get to see very often, and it's beautiful.

Entwife:  I want to say the ending scene, so astounding. But Jane had some tremendous moments throughout this episode. I guess I'd have to pick the ride in the Airstream. The expression on his face when Lisbon looked at him with such apprehension. It was pure gold, in my opinion, and something I haven't seen in Jane before. He looked like, what dreadful thing is she trying to keep from telling me? But he kept silent. I don't think he really wanted to know just then. But his looks-- wow! Simon is such an amazing actor and conveys so much without words.

Christine:  He had a lot of great moments in this episode. Jane comforting the dying girl, begging for her to live was definitely my favorite. But him getting the crazy drunk to remember exactly where he found her came in as a close second. I love it when Jane works his magic to access memories. He's just so good at it.  

Do you think Teresa is in love with Marcus Pike?

Robin: I think she loves being with him, but I don't think she's in love quite yet. I think his dependability and honesty are something she's been missing and craving in her life, but she's far too hesitant about the move for me to think she's in love.

Entwife:  No. Absolutely not. She won't even answer Jane's question if things are going well with him. The last scene, Lisbon looks like she almost begging Jane for a rescue, to please speak for her. I think she sees his true feelings, but she needs him to speak. I think Jane caught Lisbon's true feelings, too, made a small movement to go after her and stops himself, undecided if it's the right thing to do. And she looks back at him, twice, as Pike is leading her away. I can't get her attachment to Pike as anything but an escape path completely away from Jane if he won't speak up.

Christine:  Marcus Pike is the guy who is good on paper. If she wrote a list of all the things she thinks she wants in a romantic partner, he'd fit every slot. Unfortunately the heart doesn't care what's on that page. Lisbon likes him a lot. He's a good guy and her head is telling her she should love him but that doesn't mean she does or ever will. 

What was your favorite scene from this Mentalist Season 6 installment?

Robin: Watching the flurry of emotions go across Jane's face as he realizes Lisbon is serious about Pike and is contemplating leaving. Simon Baker. My goodness. that man is one heck of an actor. 

Entwife:  The ending scene. Absolutely. Never was so much truth revealed in the pack of lies Jane and Lisbon were telling each other with their mouths. Because everything else about their body language, facial expression, eyes and tone of voice gave the truth away. No doubt for me anymore. Jane and Lisbon will be together by season's end. But I allow a 5% chance for Heller to destroy them out of sheer perversity, for "art." I will never trust him again, for any production.

Christine:  I have to make it unanimous. That end scene was priceless. Lisbon looked oddly hopeful and Jane looked about as devastated as I'd ever witnessed as he stumbled over his words and told Teresa he wanted her to be happy.  No matter what happens, I think these last few episode will be a bit painful to watch. 

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Rationalgal2

Let's not berate each other. Everyone has a right to their opinion about the show. The exchange is always interesting and thought provoking. My opinion is that I started watching TM because the premise sounded interesting and I then found the characters fascinating. Especially Patrick Jane. What an impressive creative effort that is! So full of subtly and nuances! I had no expectations about a Jane-Lisbon relationship, just interested to see how it was going. Lots of charming banter. Loved it! As the show progressed I started to understand more about Jane. What the writers were showing me - IMO - was a horrendously damaged man. He became insane and suicidal during the year following their deaths. Minelli said he was damaged. Bosco said he wasn't a detective, he was a victim. The writers showed me, over and over, that the murder of his wife and child and finding their butchered bodies was a constant unbearable pain that Jane felt could only be relieved by killing Red John. They showed me he hid it behind a genial facade (the Todd Johnson ep). They showed me how lost and lonely he was, wanting to love and be loved again but unable to follow through on that (the woman who murdered her husband in an early ep, Kristina, Erica, Lorelei, the women in the bar hitting on him). He kept people at a distance because his whole focus was on Red John. He expected to die or go to prison and didn't care as long as RJ was caught (the Dumar ep). Now he is trying to recover after over a dozen years of mental anguish, painful loss and yearnings for someone to love who will love him (the Red Snapper ep among others. The Jane-Lisbon relationship may be a buddy cop thing but the writers have shown me in so many ways that there is more going on beneath that buddy surface. Other buddy cop stories don't have that deep emotional background working beneath the surface. So If I see an eventual romantic relationship for Jane and Lisbon it's because the writers have shown me how much Jane needs that to recover from a loss so bad it literally drove him insane. He wants once again what RJ took from him. TM simply can't be compared with other buddy cop shows. Others may see this differently but I can only see what the writers seemed to be showing me as the Jane character was gradually revealed.

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@ rationalgal2

Rationalgal2 , I too think like you.Yes he needs to have someone love him.Like they say if you love someone let it go if they come back they were yours if they do not because they never in love with you. My thinking is Lisbon will go too DC with Pike and she will miss Jane's way of thinking and how he makes her laugh.Pike will not fulfill that void.She will realized she loves Jane and will come back and ask."Patrick I love you not Pike .Do you love me?"well my thinking because I am a romantic

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The UK broadcaster of Mentalist has just been sold to a USA owner. Wonder if that will have any impact on anything. http://www.hollywoodreporter.c...

Marcy haynes

As a writer myself (not for this show) I can tell you that the chemistry between the actors of a show determines much of what future scripts will do. Personally, I think Bones is much improved since the marriage. Temperance is constantly being humanized by her relationship with Booth, and there is a new dynamic among the character ensemble that provides both the opportunity for plotline dynamics and the subtle glue of incidental details of parenthood and relationship idiosyncrasies that adds the extra dimensions to this show that keeps me involved.
The Mentalist began with a protagonist who had suffered the worst possible emotional trauma, the loss of his little girl and his beloved wife to a serial killer. If he and Lisbon had 'hooked up' immediately, the whole premise of the show would have been trashed, and the likelihood of its surviving is first season would have been nil. Jayne was not ready for a relationship with anyone. The relationships with the people at CBI were healthy for him--not too close, not too remote---just enough to keep him 'warm' as a human protagonist. His ability to 'read' people is what we were interested in, and the tricks he provided made the show fascinating when the 'psychic' was paired with real life police.
NOW, the show has moved into a different venue, with the various characters playing out their own dynamics. Personally, I see Lisbon, who is not suffering the effects of having lost her entire family to a serial killer, as being a little bit in love with Jayne, but that relationship has not been developing, so she is moving on. What encouragement has Jayne given her? Insisting upon her inclusion in the FBI is about the only encouragement she has had from Jayne, despite the fact that both she and Jayne have saved each others' lives a number of times. So, she naturally assumes Jayne does not want her, and she is moving on.
Jayne is, as always, the question mark here. We know he has deep feelings for Lisbon, but is he capable of HAVING a relationship after losing his beloved wife and daughter? He is constantly conflicted about relationships. I think the writers RECENTLY have done a good job of showing us the tension between Jayne and Lisbon that could become a beautiful relationship, or that could result in heartbreaking failure. How well can Patrick do his job if he is happily enjoying what Bones and Booth are enjoying? Why would he even consider more of murder and mayhem if he were to connect with a woman again and begin a family? Sometimes, maybe all the best times, it is the characters who make a plotline, not the writers. Great writers simply pick up upon what the characters are showing them.

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@ Marcy Haynes

I've never seen any romantic chemistry between Robin Tunney and Simon Baker. Even they themselves have commented on how weird it would be for them if Jane and Lisbon were to develop a romantic relationship because of their close real life friendship.

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@ euterpe

Well they are actors and it is their job to act. If the writers and creator of the show want them in a romantic relationship then it is their job to sell it.

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@ C+P

C+P, that's the thing. Some see the romantic relationship and some don't. You see the romance, I see the show and the solving of the crimes, but I don't see (or maybe I just don't look for) the romance. I see romance in other shows, but when I tune in to a crime show, my mind is focussed on that. So we all see what we want to see, and I'm going to stop commenting on those who see romance between leads in crime shows. To each his own, and I'm going to go along with what @euturpe said.

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@ C+P

Yes, I realize that. I was commenting on the above writer's statement that script writers often take their cues from the chemistry between the actors, not necessarily the characters they play.

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@ euterpe

Thank you euterpe. Finally someone who thinks along the same lines as I do. I've been saying this for ages. I can imagine them thinking it weird too.

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@ Marcy Haynes

Maybe great writers pick up upon what the characters are showing them, I don't know how true that statement is. But some writers pick up on the feedback from fans and change their course. They don't stick to their original plan. Of course Jane has deep feelings for Lisbon? But is it what you or others think? It could be that closeness of working together. Everybody says Cho is not the same without Rigsby. That is so true. They had a great work relationship (not an intimate one) and something is missing with Cho now that Rigsby isn't there. The same would be true of Jane if Lisbon moved away to DC. It won't be the same for him, and it won't be the same for us fans. It doesn't mean he'll miss her because he is in love with her. Cho misses Rigsby because they had a great friendship/relationship. And Jane would miss Lisbon for the same reason, and she him. It's the "fans" - the shipper ones, who see something more, and the writers who "simply pick up upon what (the fans) are showing them, and going along with it. They ignore the other fans who don't like the shipping. Maybe we are less, who knows.

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@ Stephie59

I don't think they think of the non-shippers as less. But there are more shippers and perhaps they feel the need to please the majority of their audience. There is a show format that most shows follow and following that would definitely put Jane and Lisbon together. I am not saying they must stick with the tried and true format. Yeah Cho is not the same without Rigsby and they had a great relationship but I don't see how you can compare it to Jane and Lisbon. They have had far more intimate conversations. They gave each other looks that Cho and Rigsby never gave each other. No one ever said they could tell they had romantic feelings for each other but characters on the show saw it in Jane and Lisbon and said so. My goodness even Wylie thought they were a couple and he is more of a computer expert than a relationship expert.

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@ C+P

I am the one that brought up Cho and Rigsby, euterpe, and I brought it up to show a similarity in relationships. I was stating that Cho and Righsby are so good together as colleagues and bring out the best in each other. I was also trying to show that Jane and Lisbon also are colleagues who bring out the best in each other, and that does not make it a romantic relationship, just as Cho and R's isn't. But I think I'm done with this topic now. As you said, C+P, there may be more shippers, and more romantics here than not. So I may be fighting a losing verbal battle. I'm going to leave the romantics to their thing and stick to mine. I'm going to focus on the crime of the day/episode and comment on that. I'm done with commenting on the romances of the day between leads. It gets me no where.

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@ C+P

Then why did they get rid of red john

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@ C+P

The characters are not real and didn't necessarily observe anything. The actors are quoting lines written into a script to support that story development path, one only mentioned this season and never mentioned before. It's mentioned now to suggest that story development. And what do Cho and Rigsby have to do with it? Theirs was never even suggested as a romantic relationship, so the comparison to Jane and Lisbon is irrelevant.

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@ Marcy Haynes

P.S. I can totally see Jane enjoying his job even more once he is in a relationship with Lisbon. He enjoys catching the bad guys and having her love would only give him joy in life that would overflow to joy in his work.

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@ C+P

Ah, C+P, you're such a romantic. So I guess you're one of those strong shippers. I don't buy it. Jane is too self-centred. I can't see him being "in love" with Lisbon or anybody right now. But I guess the romantics at heart see what they want to see. So he complimented her beauty and called her irreplaceable. He likes to compliment, for various reasons. And of course she's irreplaceable. They work great together. He wouldn't want to lose her. I have people I'm close to at work and would be devastated in they got married and moved away, but I don't want to be in a relationship with them. And they compliment me and I them too. It's not always about romance.

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@ Stephie59

No it isn't always about romance. And no I am not a strong shipper. I just recently purchased all 5 seasons of the show and watched all of the episodes again and that is what sold me on a Jane and Lisbon romantic relationship. It just seems so clear to me that they love each other but couldn't act on the romantic part even though it was there. Lots of people are self-centered and still manage to have loving relationships. I suppose the romantics at heart will see what they want to see just like the non-shippers will see what they want to see. Everyone has a bias.

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@ Marcy Haynes

What encouragement has Jane given her? How about writing to her and risking being found when he was out of the country. How about risking ending up in jail for the rest of his life or on death row to be with her. He acts confident but he is human and he knew his antics might not work and he might end up on trial for murder. If that doesn't show he loves her I don't know what does. And may I point out that before he really had a chance to show her more she informed him on the plane that he was difficult and exhausting to work with, she didn't want to put her life on hold to be his sidekick. She wanted to solve the case and get back home.And that he hadn't been a real part of her life for two years. Maybe the implication there is I have moved on with my life and don't really care if you are a part of it. And when she gave him the socks she said that he had no right to decide her life for her. So perhaps he is treading lightly and trying to see what their relationship is like, now that she did decide to join him at the FBI. We don't know if he is capable of having a relationship after losing his wife. I don't think he knows yet but now he is being forced to figure that out quickly. He told her she deserves a good man, maybe he isn't sure he qualifies. He wants to be the man in her life but he is not sure he is good enough for her. And recently he has complimented her beauty and called her irreplaceable. I think he is showing her he cares for her that way. They clearly have feelings for each other and I hope the powers that be had them end up as a couple at the end of this season. Just as the Bones writers and producers have been able to keep Bones going after the marriage I am sure the writers and producers of The Mentalist can manage to keep it going after the Jisbon starts. And I hope for a season 7 and more.

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@ C+P

Jane never thought he was in danger in returning to the states at that point. If he was so eager to get back for Lisbon, he would have accepted Abbott's offer the moment it was proposed or even snuck back into the country sooner. No, he figured out a way to get what he wanted without putting himself in jeopardy. He smugly thought he had beaten Abbott and the FBI and that he couldn’t be touched. Hence the shocked look on his face when Fischer walked in the room and Abbott dropped his bombshell that Jane’s demands were meaningless. And if Jane was truly in love with Lisbon, why didn’t he ever allude to it in his letters to her for two years? Talk about a “safe” way of bringing up his feelings. If she rejected him he would have been thousands of miles away with the good chance they would never meet again. If he just expected her to put her life on hold until he decided to pop back into it again and then just pick up where they left off, then he really doesn’t know Lisbon at all and she is better off without him.

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@ euterpe

Jane only believed there was a risk before he came up with his list of demands. Hence, the prior hesitation. There was no hesitation once he thought he had control of the situation. If Jane professed his love in the letters to Lisbon AND she felt the same for him, then there was nothing to stop her from finding him and joining him in his little S. American paradise. After all, Lisbon's life was already in such upheaval, as you pointed out. She wouldn't have much to lose. And if she didn't feel the same, then no big deal, she could stay put and work out her new life as she wanted Jane-less.

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@ euterpe

There certainly was a part of Jane that knew he was in danger when returning to the states that is why he hesitated in going back. Yes he was surprised when Fisher walked into the room. After watching the show since the beginning I have seen Jane admit his plans aren't flawless all the time. So he knew he was taking a risk he just knows you can't let your opponent see that you know your plans could go wrong. And why tell Lisbon you love her in letters when at the time he was writing them he thought he would never return to the states, that would not have been fair to her. That way she could move on. And let's see, everyone's life was in a major upheaval after the FBI disbanded the CBI and after Jane killed Red John. He finally accomplished what he had been trying to do for about ten years and Lisbon had lost her job after many years. So there was a lot of adjusting and regrouping and soul searching to do before anyone could really move on.

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@ Marcy Haynes

Marcy, thats a really interesting post, thanks.
(Oh and its Jane not Jayne!)

Rationalgal2

I don't understand the shipper/nonshipper arguments. Viewers watch shows and take what the writers give them as what the story is all about. Some stories suggest that the leads will get together and some don't and the viewers see it for what it is. I watched "Bones" and never once saw Bones and Booth as a romantic couple. They became one only from necessity when Dechanel got pregnant in real life and the best way to deal with it was to contrive a Bones/Booth relationship. When I started watching TM I saw the Jane-Lisbon relationship as definitely a mother-child kind of love. But then Jane was portrayed as so lost and lonely it seemed he would need someone to love who loved him so he could find happiness again and the story encouraged that in many ways. The only way to understand the show was to see how the mother-child relationship was gradually destined for a romantic turn at the end. If that was not the writers' plan all along they would have introduced people into Lisbon's and Jane's life as love interests, which each would accept readily as the other's happy choice. We never got that, only Lisbon's one-night stand with Mashburn and Jane's occasional flirtatious incidents with manipulative charlatans and murderers. If we see the Jane/Lisbon relationship destined to become romantic it's because the writers have written the episodes to lead us there.

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@ rationalgal2

I too disagree with what you say. Viewers watch shows and take what they want from the story, not what the writers give them. I never looked at Bones and Booth as romantic initially, but then I started reading these shippers comments. Lo and behold to me it seems the writers read them too and fell for it. I don't think Deschanel's pregnancy had much to do with it. The writers were already heading down the line of romance for Bones and Booth when Deschanel got pregnant, so they wrote it in. I find that some fans don't seem to have the maturity to watch a show for what it is. They come on the board and instead of discussing the story line, they keep wondering when the leads would kiss, or when they would have sex, or when they would romantically get together. It's like every male/female must get together in some of their minds. Look at in Criminal Minds. Morgan calls Penelope "baby girl" and "sweetness" and all kinds of fun names. Can you really see them together as a couple? Well maybe this time the writers got fed up of the shipping, so they made sure and brought in a love interest for Morgan. That sure shot the shippers down. In Rizzoli & Isles the fans were trying to ship the two female leads. Good thing that story is from a book, and they had no choice but to introduce the boyfriend for the lead detective. Who knows if it wasn't from a book what the writers would have done. They are often influence, IMO, by fans. I don't think it was their intention to ship Jane and Lisbon. Jane is a very frayed character. I don't think he can truly give his heart to anyone. His "love" for Lisbon is like a very special, close colleague and confidant. Fans are crying out for it and I think the writers will be swayed and go for it, but I for one can't see it and wish they will keep their relationship as close and dear friends, even down to the end of the series.

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@ Stephie59

I agree with you. I’ve never understood the point of shipping. If you want to watch a romance, then watch a romance. Why can’t we just enjoy a show for what it is? I have never seen any romantic chemistry between Jane and Lisbon. Lisbon has always appeared to want to take care of Jane (as befits her personality) and Jane is an emotionally unstable individual who needs taking care of, but this is NOT a healthy basis for a romantic relationship. It seems all the shippers recognize this caregiver/needy dynamic and yet think this is indicative of being in love. To imply as much seems almost Oedipal to me. Jane, as the character currently stands in his development (or lack thereof), is not emotionally ready for ANY romantic relationship. He still has a lot of healing to do, and healing that simply having a girlfriend to kiss and sleep with is not going to accomplish. Sex never fixed any problems. It only complicates them. He needs to heal BEFORE engaging in that kind of relationship with anyone. Jane’s apparent dependence on Lisbon is not healthy, and that would definitely need to be addressed before they even think of developing their friendship further.

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@ euterpe

euterpe, finally someone who thinks as I do and seeing the bigger picture. I agree with everything you say, so no need for me to say more.

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@ rationalgal2

“If that was not the writers' plan all along they would have introduced people into Lisbon's and Jane's life as love interests, which each would accept readily as the other's happy choice. “ That is not true. Other shows have had male and female protagonists who did not end up in a romantic relationship and yet, there were no other love interests in the picture. L&O: Criminal Intent, for example. Goren and Eames never had a romantic attraction to each other OR anyone else. I remember reading where the writers thought about it, even having an episode where Eames went on a date with a guy she met at her friend’s kid’s birthday party. However, they decided to drop it, focusing instead on the friendship/partnership of Goren and Eames and their job. It was absolutely wonderful and a refreshing change. P.S. I still don’t see Bones and Booth as a couple. The show has become extremely dull since they’ve gotten together. I’ve actually missed about half the episodes this season and don’t really care enough to go back and watch the ones I’ve missed.

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@ euterpe

I agree with you and also disagreed with rationalgal2. See my response to her. I loved Goren and Eames and I loved their dynamic. They were colleagues who got the job done, with no romantic interest, and the focus was always on the case. Writers should take a page from that show to see how it is done. While I've gotten accustomed to Bones & Booth as a couple now, and wouldn't say that they're dull per se, I do feel that the show seems to show Bones as the one "wearing the pants" in the relationship. It's as if Booth bends to her whims and fancies, and like he's afraid to be the man and state his true feelings about issues. He runs to Sweets to complain when things go wrong with him and Bones but like he's afraid to tell her himself, maybe for fear of losing her? So I don't see him as this strong, independent, forceful man anymore. And HE'S the FBI agent! If he tells Bones not to go along with him on a case, she still picks up her bag and goes and he has no control whatsoever over her. I can understand that at home, but where he is the agent in charge, she should be able to listen to him but she never does, and that often irks me. As I said, she wears the pants in that family! But the fans (a lot of them) wanted the relationship, so they got what they asked for!

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Of course Jane and Lisbon are going to end up together, but certainly not because it's the right thing to do, or because the writers had it planned that way. It's because YOU shippers ALWAYS see the two leads ending up, regardless of what the story is about. That's why I so love Criminal Minds. The focus is on the show and that's all. (Of course there are those who try to ship Morgan and the Vanghness character {her character name eludes me}). I personally like Pike. And I think Lisbon really likes him too. Jane cares about Lisbon, and obviously if she leaves it will break his heart, because he did sign up with the FBI on the condition that they bring her in, so if she leaves, he will feel it; he will be lost. I have worked with certain guys and was heartbroken when they had to leave. It doesn't mean I was in love with them or wanted to be in a relationship. I'm amazed that seemingly all the people on this roundtable seem to be Jisbon shippers. It seems no one can look at a show and enjoy it with a female and male lead, without shipping the two. Now even when it's two guys, there are people who are starting to do the same thing (either calling it bromance, or wishing it go further). What a sick and weird society and world we live in. I for one can enjoy a show with a male and female lead, or with two leads of the same sex, without my mind thinking of a romantic relationship. It's called MATURITY. Guess it's pretty lacking throughout societies and the world over.

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@ Stephie59

Right. Because a very small set of people on the internet have the absolute power to make the writers and the entire cast write and act out a show that they had no intention to write. The writers and showrunners have absolutely no pride or say in their own work - they're simply mindless robots designed to churn out storylines based on whoever's loudest on the internet and on the snappiest shipper portmanteau. This shipper/non-shipper nonsense is just so bloody annoying.

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@ juarhela

@juarhela, and yet you are here berating me. You are getting to voice your angst against me (us) non-shippers. Isn't that cool that you get to have your opinion? Thanks for your rant.

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@ Stephie59

(sigh) You're right, I deserve that and I'm sorry. That came off way angrier than I intended. But do you see what I'm saying, though? You called anyone who sees a potential romance "immature" - that would include what seems like all the people on the round table panel, and several commenters who have their opinions but expressed them very intelligently. They're watching it wrong simply because they have a different perspective than yours. I just think that's wrong, that's all. I'm dropping it now.

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@ juarhela

You might be surprised. And it's not a small set of people on the Internet. These shows have millions of fans. Don't you think some of the writers/'producers go on the Internet too and they do so to see what the fans are thinking? Yeh and they can re-write stuff. I remember reading that Shonda Rhimes had plans for Mellie to be in only one episode and then she and the president were going to be divorced, but that Mellie was so good in the pilot, they re-wrote the script to keep her on. Don't tell me that the feedback received from that plot had nothing to do with it. Even Mellie (well the actress) was surprised because she thought she was to be there for maybe 2 or 3 eps. I too hate the shipper/non-shipper nonsense, but I've got to live with it, cause it keeps coming up once there are male and female leads. Soon (if it hasn't started already), when the leads are the same sex and just doing their jobs, fans are going to ship them too. In fact they started doing it with Rizzoli and Isles even though the writers had the leads as two straight females. Well in this case the writers soon put a stop to that, but most probably because the show is based on a book. If it was a script written by them, who knows how they would have turned it around (to please some politically correct fans no doubt). So yes, I find the whole shipping thing highly annoying and wish people would just enjoy shows for what they are and stop trying to make shows into romantic soap operas.

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@ Stephie59

@juarhela, and yet you are here berating me. You are getting to voice your angst against me (us) non-shippers. Isn't that cool that you get to have your opinion? Thanks for your rant.

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@ Stephie59

Quite frankly, I find both shippers and non-shippers equally annoying. Especially here. Because for every fanatical shipper using a silly portmanteau, there is a narrow-minded non-shipper berating them and telling them they're stupid for having an opinion contrary to their own. Which, to me, is more irritating than shipping itself. At least the shippers here are pleasant. On this particular message board, with just this show, it seems like every non-shipper is taking whatever angst they have with romantic leads and shippers - not even on this show, but on television in general - and spend the entire comment section telling shippers they're stupid. It's like people think shippers just jump from show to show screaming for leads to bone each other. Goodness gracious. How can you not see how unlikely that is?! What fans think of Rizzoli and Isles or any other show is irrelevant on a Mentalist board, and it doesn't justify the way non-shippers speak to shippers here. THAT's what drives me nuts. The intolerance and inflexibility of both sides of this argument.

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Well I am a romantic. I hope Lisbon sees that Jane does not want her to go but do want her to be happy.I am hoping that Pike says something that will make Lisbon realized she really loves Jane 's ways of making her laugh.She will go with Pike to DC but she will mis Jane's conversations and his ability to analyses people.She will see deep down she loves Jane and will come back and asked him "Do you love me Jane because I love you not Pike"

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Well I am a romantic. I hope Lisbon sees that Jane does not want her to go but do want her to be happy.I am hoping that Pike says something that will make Lisbon realized she really loves Jane 's ways of making her laugh.She will go with Pike to DC but she will mis Jane's conversations and his ability to analyses people.She will see deep down she loves Jane and will come back and asked him "Do you love me Jane because I love you not Pike"

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From a non-shipper POV, I think Lisbon's reaction to Jane's non-reaction was one of a bit of confusion. She looks to Jane for advice and opinion and when he doesn't give a typical Jane reaction, she is confused. She wants him to tell her what to do but because of their conversation on the plane Jane is staying neutral and not looking like he's controlling her. Her "I'm happy" was purely to get a reaction out of Jane and save face. I also think she told Jane about the move because she didn't want him to find out through the office "scuttlebutt". She was clearly embarrassed that her love life was office gossip and that her boss approached her like that. She probably felt odd being on the other side of a Rigsby/VanPelt situation. I think Jane truly wants her to be happy but is also sad that he's losing a friend and probably wasn't expecting to hear that type of news.

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Okay, first everyone was saying that the oh-so-independent Lisbon would be crazy to just uproot her life and move to a new city with a guy she just met. Now everyone is saying if she truly loved Pike that she wouldn’t even hesitate and would have already agreed to the move. You can’t have it both ways.

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@ euterpe

I don't think "everyone" in the panel is saying that, and that's certainly not what I was trying to say. Perhaps I didn't word my thoughts properly. Last week we were asked if we thought she should go to DC, this week we were asked if she was in love. Separate questions, but there's no reason why her decision can't be contributed to by both her sense of independence AND her feelings for Pike. I think her hesitation is due to both. By no means was I trying to imply that her "not" being in love was the ONLY reason she was still in town.

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@ euterpe

Nonsense. She just met Pike. She hardly knows him. She has a good feeling about him, but the idea that she'd give up a job that she is enjoying and is doing well in to follow a stranger to a different city 'if she really loved him' is identical to saying anyone with self-respect can't be in love. Everyone has secrets. Everyone has things they think are normal others think are unacceptable. She can't yet know what those things are.

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Awesome episode. Lisbon doesn't want to talk to anyone about Pike. I feel that if she really loved Pike she would have said yes already to his proposal. Jane has to realize that it's OK for him to love again. I could tell Lisbon was practically begging Jane to tell her to stay. I hope those two learn to communicate and fast. I hope the show is renewed. It's the best show on TV.

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@ Bonnie Maynes

No its not

The Mentalist Season 6 Episode 19 Quotes

Lisbon: Remember, Jane is a psyhic.
Abbott: A pretend psychic. If you haven't told him, chances are he doesn't know.

Sorry, scanning long range frequencies is like… I don't have a metaphor. It's hard.

Wiley
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