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Grey's Anatomy Season 11 Episode 17 Review: With or Without You

I have loved the character of Owen Hunt since the day he rode into Seattle Grace Hospital in that ambulance, while "trac'ing" that patient with a pen, until last night. While I 100% agree with him about watching out for people trying to take advantage of older people, after that, it was all downhill for me with his bad attitude not only to his mother, John & Amelia. First, the one & only time we have seen Owen's mother was well before Owen & Cristina were even married & it was for one quick scene to show Cristina that Owen went to see his mother to tell her that he had returned from Iraq. Since then, nothing - not even when they married. We learned that Evelyn was in Vietnam. I don't think we learned that previously. Very disjointed storyline with this character, in my opinion. Next, Owen bullied his mother into giving John up. HE told his mother what SHE was going to do & then Owen bullied John into leaving. Even after learning what he did about how John felt about his mother, Owen NEVER apologized to his mother for treating her so poorly. That's inexcusable. Where I come from, if I even remotely got the IDEA that I was going to tell my mother what SHE was going to do, much less TELL her, I wouldn't be sitting behind this computer tip-tapping my opinion. Third, Owen bit Amelia's head off for no reason, regarding his mother. He eventually apologized to her (not his mother though) & they still end up in bed at the end of the episode. That's when Amelia should have kept walking, not forever, but she was like "oh, okay" & they hit the sack. And for this very smart, rich Chief of Surgery, can he get a new place to live? While the firehouse is gone now that Cristina is gone, but can Owen please get a place of his own or does he need a woman to buy it for him & decorate it - oh wait, we've had that scenario already. Enough of living in that small trailer. I have loved this entire season but these two just aren't making for me & what in the hell is all the awkwardness about between them? Silly ... silly & stupid. Two major doctors plus he is the Chief of Surgery - she's just as great a doctor as he is & they are awkward with each other? Come on ... silly stuff. If they are that awkward attempting to talk to each other, they should forget about bedding each other until they CAN talk to each other without blushing & stammering over every sentence they try to speak. Shonda!!! Too fast, too soon! NOTHING about these are two is ringing true. They barely meet & then they are in bed. Blech. I liked the Alex/Meredith hug - LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Alex Karev. Most of the time he has the best lines & one liners & when he rolls his eyes for whatever the reason, I just laugh. And finally .... Derek. I have to say that I have really not missed Patrick Dempsey all that much to begin with. Oh he was starting to fall for that fellow in Washington DC & only after she kissed him, did he pull away & realize that he loved Meredith. Hmmm - love. Well, that's interesting, when he got home, he did not admit to kissing another woman - so he has a problem, doesn't he? And it's not with anyone but within himself & that he withheld a piece of the puzzle - that kiss. And WHAT was missing between Meredith & Derek at the very end of the episode after they professed their love for & to each other???? A kiss ....

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It's adorable because Toby (who was easily the most reluctant about Paige being on the team) is the biggest Waige shipper, and Paige is the biggest Quintis shipper. I love the brotherly dynamic between Toby and Walter. It's a different type of camaraderie than either guy has with Sylvester. They treat each other like equals...like the two oldest bros who look after the others, but have this respect and rivalry with one another. Sly is the baby of the group and they all treat h that way, but they manage to pull it off without it coming across condescending or suffocating or disrespectful and I like that. I'd love to see more of Walter and Happy's relationship. It's clear she typically keeps to herself and is more distant than the guys, but ever since it was mentioned that she was the one to snap walter out of a bender and he mentioned bits about her own backstory and how he found her, I've wanted to learn more about their bond. This show could totally due a flashback episode of how walter found them all. I'd love it. Toby and walter and the ongoing thing with Walters feelings for Paige was amusing as always. I liked the case. The Quintis stuff was in character and cute and I love how they've dealt with the aftermath of the kiss. I loved the Walter and Cabe scene at the end. Their father/son dynamic always gives me the feels and it reminded me of the roof top scene in the first or second episode. Loved the background on Sylvester. Absolutely loved it. I loved the bond he formed with the pilot. Right in the feels. And the heroic rescue was the best. My only complaint is Walter doing something impulsive, daredevil like, bordering on reckless etc and his life being in danger for the umpteenth time while everyone is all worried but he comes out of it in the end totally aloof to their concerns...that is too redundant. I mean, I love walter and all but it's every episode. It's hard not to roll my eyes when it happens. Heroic Walter. We get it. Maybe spread it around or something. It happened 3 times this episode alone, the helicopter bit, the rope swing, the saving the kid and almost getting engulfed in flames. There was the poisonous venom thing last time. The almost drowning rescuing the kid. The thing with the lady who drugged him and the whole escape from the plane thing, that other walter narrowly escapes sm explosion from a bomb detonating thing. The sacrificing himself to armed gunmen to save his friends.... Maybe if it weren't so blatant every time, if it were subtle it wouldn't seem so repetitive. Also, I miss Ralph. I'd also like to see him bond more with Sylvester, Toby, and Happy on a one in one basis. God I love this show though. I miss Leverage every single day and this show gives me the same slapstick unorthodox family feels.

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Miranda, Jake has always been the bad guy. I know Olake fans try to ignore that he killed 3 people in cold blood and shot James in the back while running away. Jake has always been creepy. I don't know where this Fitz is a bad guy comes from, because he never was. Foolish, idealistic, and deeply in love with Olivia clouded Fitz judgement. Even when he killed Verna, he showed remorse. He also showed remorse for the soldiers he sent to war. He also showed remorse for the plane he shot down under military orders from Rowan. But not once have Jake ever shown any remorse for any killing he has committed. He even buried a body like it wasn't nothing in broad day light while on the phone with Olivia. So Jake has always been bad and with the promo, this will be the second time he has threatened to kill Olivia and we all know he will choke her if he have to. Yes, Olivia and Fitz were at their best last night. Their chemistry only gets better and better. I don't know how Kerry and Tony does it. They just click as actors. I see Olitz relationship growth. Fitz isn't calling Olivia. She is coming to him. She put the ring back on without him asking her to. This is progress for the Olitz relationship as we head into the reunion that we all know is coming. I think Olivia will make the first move to get Fitz back. He's not pressuring her. She will do it all her own because she will realize for herself that all she's doing is running from love and what she wants. Hopefully once they do get back together, that Olitz together will figure out a way to start Fitz divorce. They did it towards the end of season 2, a plan Olivia came up with, they can do it again. Overall good episode. It was nice to learn about Cyrus past.

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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Round Table: A Safe House, Seriously?

Not really digging the hate on "Real" SHIELD. Gonzalez and his crew are the last remnants of the old order. We are about to enter the Age of Miracles. These fusty old dudes with their gray suits and military hardware are on the way out. The real world superpowers will be those who have actual powers, like Skye. Civil War is coming.

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I really liked the Olitz flashbacks. I also don't get too invested in ships like some people tend to and I like things about both ships. I like both guys for different reasons, but I've always been frustrated with the retconning and inconsistency with how Fitz is written and even the Olitz relation. I loved what Fitz told her about the ring and keeping it regardless of it they were together or not...and it just reminded me of the fact that Fitz at his best can be Olivia's friend. I love them best when he's honest and longing after her and not possessive or its not coming across like she's just another mistress or strictly sexual but he genuinely cares about and loves her, which is what I loved about season 1 Olitz before they started retconning. Speaking of which the only thing I didn't like about Olitz and the flashbacks in this episode was the icky feeling I got when he said the ring was called sweet baby and I was reminded that he called Amanda Tanner that too. I'm going to choose to believe that his sex with Amanda tanner was him trying to get over Olivia and the fact that he called her that too was him thinking about Olivia at the time. Otherwise he called both mistresses something that refers to a most valued and cherished family heirloom that he couldn't share with his wife (who they worked hard to convince us that he truly did love pre Olivia pope during that Everything Comes Up Mellie" episode. ) it's like the show rewrites canon in order to make a character more likeable at the expense of canon and other characters, and while that works for Cyrus, it makes things to inconsistent and frustrating with Mellie, Olivia, and Fitz. It's little things like that that always irritates me. That aside, I enjoyed the Olitz moments and I haven't enjoyed their moments in some time. I liked Michael before. I loved what could come from his presence. I genuinely looked forward to the arranged marriage storyline. Then, they gave us this episode and I actually love him now. I'm team Protect Michael at all costs. Matthew del Negro, knocked it out of the park with this episode. It's funny, because I never doubted that Michael actually cares for Cyrus. He always comes across sweet and kind, even when Liz was trying to get him to betray Cyrus. So it was hard to watch everyone talk at him and around him but not to and with him and it was even harder this episode. Especially when we learned more about his past. He was so happy to make amends with his family only to discover they only showed up because they were being paid and thst dinner scene and the talk of reversion therapy and him falling to his knees in front of Cyrus. Beautiful sad scenes that crushed ne. His and Cyrus talking towards the end was just...ugh, loved that scene. Michael came out yo his fsmiky, put up with reversion therapy, became estranged from them, became a prostitute to put himself through school and still dreamed of falling in love and being happy. The idea that he went through all of that in order to be true yo himself and find happiness and love only to be in an arranged marriage with someone who isn't in love with him. I mean damn that kid is broken. But do is Cyrus and I actually think there is room for those two to actually love each other down the line. Michael seems to genuinely care for Cyrus and just wants to be happy and Cyrus softened enough and seems like he'll at least be protective of Michael. They both are being open and honest and that's probably better than most marriages start off. Certainly better than cyrus' previous marriages. I felt especially bad for his wife. Anyway Michael with baby Ella was precious and I'm actually rooting for them. They could both get something out of it. Cyrus is a monster but he's self aware and he has these moments when he's accepted that he is who he is but he feels bad that he is that way. Mellie and Liz are entertaining. Liz went from being this Alpha female with all the power to being powerless. I'm not as freaked out about the Jake stuff because it seems like deliberate misleading to play with the audience. If it is the fall of Jake however I'll agree with Miranda that it'll be cringe worthy because they don't have to destroy his character suddenly and out of the blue just to fit whatever narrative they want to go for in the moment. Again, it's like what they do with Mellie and Fitz all the time. Only other critique, is while I like Cyrus and they did a good job with his storyline this week, he's a hard character to have carry an entire episode without it being dull at times. It slowed the show down and while I didn't mind a lot of the flashback stuff and Cyrus backstory, I didn't feel like we really needed it. Certainly not for the entire episode. It was a nice episode and the things I enjoyed I really enjoyed but the rest I was indifferent to.

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Fitz never called Amanda "sweet Baby" She knew Fitz used to call Olivia like that because Cyrus used that information to create that fake affair. Or something like that, I would rewatch the first episodes.

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Even though we didn't know who he was, very nice of them to remember him. It did bother me that Daisy wasn't there but they probably couldn't get Carla Gallo for episode. I too would love to read that book. The only thing that would have made episode better would have been more of Booth and Brennan together

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Where was Jarvis?

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I am sorry I am late on my comment but I just seen the episode and I have to admit I hate Ray. Get rid of him ASAP. Ohh I so had wanted Oliver to stick the arrow on his chest and kill him when they were face to each other in the factory but then he moment Oliver told him to go on with his relationship with her and trust her, everything came crumbling down. I guess at this moment Oliver needs Felicity only as an ally and a good friend who he cares and protects ,which that works much better than being a couple, not a love interest he does not ahve time for that in the moment. Maybe in S4 we can see more of that story . I doubt they wil be togehter as a couple this season, eventually they will end up together in S4, unless the producers of the show want to go and stick to the comics by heart and have Oliver end up with Laurel and never with Felicity, and that is why maybe Felicity can join Atom in the spin off show.
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The episode was not that good but not very bad. I like Deathshot story and now we know he became a killer by HIVE orders. We all know he is a killer but deep down he had some good in him when he told John to go and be with his daughter cause he knows he could not be with his family in the past and he really want to help those people and risk himself to save others, as soldiers do., he was a sweetheart, He was much better than Malcom who is a evil man for sure. . We never see him jumping from the building or seen his body so maybe he did not die and he will be back in S4. I hope he will I like his character.
And noo Diggle cant leave Team Arrow!!! Team Arrow is nothing without him.

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What's the Worst Show on TV 2014?

The Following is so violent I turned it off after one airing and never went back...how can anyone watch this stuff? The CW wants to cancel Hart of Dixie...a great show with no zombies or gore...and replace it with yet another zombie show. What's wrong with the networks that good shows are always cancelled and crap is left on the air? If HOD goes then I am done with the CW.

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Here's a wacky thought - what if Hunter wound up "landing" on Skye's island? Think of the complex possibilities.