What was your favorite scene of the premiere?You need a woman's perspective on the round table because you all clearly did not fully appreciate the awesomeness of the tension filled Delena exchange that took place by the car OR the Klyler/Caroline almost sex scene OR the way in which Elena remembered Damon compelling her after he confessed his love (my personal favorite moment).
@CoCo...he was referring to her remembering the time in the bedroom that he confessed his love. When he did that, he said that he was "selfish" but couldn't be selfish with her because he loved her. The comment of "that's not all you remember", came after Damon told her that he would have saved Elena and not Matt because he wanted more for her and he WAS selfish. I don't think there are many other times he compelled her to be honest. She's been wearing the necklace from almost the beginning, and I think we would have seen any other times...
Yeah, but they were all vampires with a lot of strength..how would Elena free everyone? On TVD, Vampires get stronger with time, age and blood. It's Twilight mythos that says newborn vampires are the strongest, but not on TVD. I am still stumped by their escape.
One last comment, I DO think it's a great idea that the writers made Elena a vampire. They planned it well...slowly had everyone stripped from her (parents, Aunt Jenna, Uncle John, Alaric) so there are no real adult figures in her life. She was left with nothing but Jeremy. It was a good time for her to turn. I also changes the dynamic of the show and is a bit of a "next chapter" I'd say...no longer about protecting Elena all the time. More of vampires/werewolves/hybrids/witches against those that want to eliminate them. But, everyone needs to get over these "ship wars". The triangle is the premise of the show. She will change her mind 100 times while the show is still on. Deal with it and focus on the other elements of the show. Oh, I did forget to mention one other great scene...Klaus and Rebekah...beautifully acted by both :-)
I, just like Matt R, would like to know how the council got their hands on the vervain. And I honestly was NOT happy with all the council drama in the first place...this episode should have focused entirely on Elena: the fall-out of Stefan's choice, the confrontation between the brothers, the guilt of Matt, Elena's sadness that she was going to give up so much and get a life she didn't want. I think they gave more attention to Caroline's transformation in Season 2! And, yeah, how DID Stefan, Beks and Elena get out of the cages???? There WERE good parts: the Damon/Elena conversation, Jeremy frantically trying to revive Bonnie, Rebekah's change of heart while listening to Elena and Stefan (kudos to Paul Wesley in that scene), Caroline and Tyler/Klaus in the woods... Overall, I think the problem was too much time between Season 3 final and Season 4 premiere, which was filled with spoilers, anticipation and ridiculously high expectations.
As for the whole "shipping" thing, I don't really care. The triangle is the premise of the show, always will be. I loved the scene with Damon and Elena but I'm glad she stuck with Stefan for now. But she did say, at the end, "I can be with you forever...if that's what I want". I did think the way so remembered the time in her bedroom with Damon was done well! The dying Elena/Stefan scene would have been more emotional if not for four months of spoilers, interviews and confirmations from Julie Plec that Elena would, in fact, turn. Plus, no show if she didn't. Not all that emotion really.
Not going to lie, I agree with Matt. I liked the episode but was a tad disappointed. Perhaps too much anticipation and build-up? Maybe I was just expecting TOO MUCH epic-ness? I was very confused by Bonnie crossing over to get Elena's soul but all she really did was go to Elena in the barn...not soul Elena, human-in-transition Elena. Way too confusing. And what's all this nonsense about Elena being on both sides? When to TVD EVER say that, once a person becomes a vampire, their spirit is on the other side while their body remains a vampire on this side? Huh? Again, I also agree that there is too much reliance on magic and this was terribly explained.
@Kim "I personally think that natural-born werewolves eyes are blue, and those who are turned are gold" Excellent theory!!!!! I do kind of think Jackson has always had some sort of genetic werewolf lineage from his birth parents and that is an interesting point based on Derek's eyes having been blue.....
I will admit I am super confused by some of the plot lines (Why did the Hales go after Jackson when he was clearly shifting back to human? Just how and when did that pill-switch plan go down? Why are Jackson's eyes that color? What is the breakdown of the packs again?)....I also think that the show is super entertaining and emotional and fun to watch. And Holland Roden and Dylan O'Brien are perpetually great actors, seriously. I know that there was some sort of caveat as for why Jackson was first a Kamina (an unnatural abomination caused by something in his past or whatever Derek said) but that there was something he had to do or go through to become a true werewolf....I just don't know what it was... I hope for some clearer answers next season. And I also want a better reason for Allison breaking up with Scott...plus does anyone else think Lydia took Jackson back just a little too easily considering how selfish he was with her?
Bored Now, didn't you swear off this show and promise the rest of us that you would not return to the forum for TVD???
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