The funniest thing in the episode was Jane with the pigeon. This is what I was talking about when I referred to over the top. This has to do with the writing and not the actors, they have to make it work. It was not believable that when Jane got pat down his gun was found but not that big fat pigeon in his pocket. Was it taped under a pew too! Simon Baker did say that he disagreed on how it should end and I see why. I don't fault the cast but I have no more faith in the intellect of Heller or his writers when it comes down to writing with any depth. They are lucky that they have such a talented cast who can try to interpret their messy scribbles when they need too.
Well, I've had a lot of time to think about this episode and this pivotal turning point with the show. I think over all the episode was good. It was fast paced and there were no boring parts. McAllister was their choice and they did ok with him. I did not really care for the actual death scene. For some reason I couldn't relate to it, no matter how many times I watched it. It was for Patrick Jane alone because it sure eluded me.
Now as for Heller, he is the one I'm disappointed in. If he had chosen McAllister from the beginning and wrote to that end, it would have played out perfectly. By his own admission, he did not know who it would be and the end result of that is that it shows. What I don't like is that he got lost and then threw it all up in the air as if we wouldn't know what he was doing. I'm sorry but that was really sloppy. I know that in this site alone we came with better scenarios then he did. So why couldn't he keep up with what he was doing. It almost seems like at different points he was writing for different Red John's and that's why there are so many holes. It also showed that he changed his mind about how he would deliver Red John to the viewers. It showed such a last ditch effort. There was use of every taboo subject that could be found and it was attached to Red John. So of course everyone wanted to know who this guy was and so on. To throw it all down and say it never was about Red John is just SILLY. It was always about Red John and Jane. If it wasn't, it would not have played out so prominently. If you wanted this killer to be so normal you could have left out all the mysterious ideologies and it still would have been a good mystery. Heller was going somewhere big and then he just jumped off the train and didn't tell anybody. I'm perfectly happy to let Red John go along with the huge mess that was created around the Red John Character. I just wanted Heller to know I know what you did and so does everyone else! So don't try to play me as a viewer, thank you. I so totally think the Red John storyline blew up in Heller's face. But don't try to feed me crap in a spoon because I was there too! Just admit you blew it. Leave the mystery out of it.
I think the concept of the show is good. I just hope they can keep it in perspective and not be so over the top with the characters. Don't string us along with all this intellectual crap and then run us into a brick wall. I do look foward to the rest of the show and will remain a loyal viewer.
Now this is what you call bitter sweet!
I won't be disappointed pointed. I'm just trying to figure out where their going before they get there. It's fun for me to see if I get it right. There are still certain things that stand out. Like the man who was wearing the fancy suits and drinks tea. It was obviously not McAllister. So, who was it?
Yes I did want Stiles to be Red John but he wasn't, accepted. However that doesn't mean he doesn't have a story of his own. Jane is not going to just come back and take up like nothing happened. What happened will be addressed. This this is not over. Now that would be some unrealistic writing for sure. Like I said before, even crazy has a pattern.
Here is how I know they are still playing with us. The powers that be played up the list thing and they knew we all wanted to know very badly. That's why we were teased with it. Also how he knew about the childhood memory. When Jane said details he knows already and we will eventually. when he comes back he will spill the beans. They are making like Jane is trying to be a new him but he knows it's far from finished. The lady in the grave yard and the man by the swings indicated that. The lady talked like a Visualize drone. The man by the swing reminded me of a Kirkland. Anyway now they have to show us Jane's back story. Ha!
This is how Bret Stiles was able to help Jane because he is the chain yanker and mastermind. And this as he said is bigger then Jane and Red John.
Ok, they got Red John but they didn't get the mastermind. Who ever that is is why he couldn't be identified. He used the tiger organization and Red John to do his dirty work. There were 3 different things going on and one person pulling all the strings. The mastermind, the serial killer and the tiger organization. It's time for part two, Bret Stiles! Yes, oh it's coming.
I think what people are so angry about is that they blew Red john up with all these ideologies and philosophies. Then they demonstrated his power and influence over and over for six years. Then they give us a dumb flounder with a Mickey Mouse voice. Ok, if I were to by this, it says the following; that Red John was getting his chain jerked by the mastermind behind all this crap. He may have carried out the hit but he didn't put the hit out on Jane's family. if this is where the show is going then Jane is going to have to be a big boy about this. He has over played the did you kill my wife and daughter bit to death. Excuse the pun. I think Jane is aware that McAllister was a tool, that's why he said I'm disappointed. Jane knows McAllister is not the mastermind. Fasten your seat belt people!
@Rihanna, my problem is that the show was billed as what it was. That's why people signed on in the first place. They wanted us to look for clues, they wanted the viewer participation. They set the expectations and the bar. They promised us a mystery worthy of Sherlock Holmes and Molby Dick. We didn't just come up with that out of the blue. They did and I still expect it. They pulled us in based on the Red John concept. Had it not been for the seriousness, depth and scope of the mystery, I seriously doubt that I would have been as committed as I am to the show. They are great writers and that's why I don't believe that this is it. I will say this, if this is it, there has to be a reason. Like CBS is messing with them. Why would they risk there fan base? Also they said Van Pelt and Rigsby would be gone and their not. Trust me, there's more here then meets the eye. I'm counting on it.
He owes the team and Lisbon big time! When he comes back, no more crying in his milk. He got his pound of flesh, twice. He should be done with it now. He had a two year bootie call, what else does he need? Even if he didn't kill Pink John, there will be no more excuses. Be redeemed or be a monster, just be real about it.
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