Well? No to protect her from the psychological factor and yes because I would want them to be able to handle it as a couple. So.... basically, I don't know! What do you think?
I always thought that the way they were going there would be a major dialogue between the two and then a knockdown drag out fight. It would only take one episode. I can see Red John or the string puller slithering out of the shadows asking Jane why he thought it would be so easy? And what made him think this was ever going to be over? No ties, no draws, no wins. Just me and you until I get tied of the game. Everyone but you thinks I'm dead and no one will believe otherwise. You will never know when I might turn up.
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You're right about Red Dawn, that was a lot of info and she really does look very suspect. Rationalgal, we had a conversation awhile back about the Kirkland twins switching places with each other and now it looks like it occurred without Bob Kirkland knowing it. If they don't follow up then we will know that it was just used to make for a interesting stand alone episode. This will also prove your point, that they accidentally created storylines by adding the mystery element to stand alone episodes as plot devices.
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It's going be be very interesting to see how they conclude the series. I'm more then convinced that some of the things we saw were written in from the very beginning. I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of the interviews we saw were a lot of misdirection. And that they never wanted the viewers to figure things out to quickly. I always got the feeling while listening to Heller especially, that he always did a lot of double talking. It appears that I was right to some extent. if he was doing that you know the rest of the cast was doing the samething. Basically they were talking and not saying much. Which is fine because they shouldn't, it would mess up the viewing pleasure.
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I was watching season two, I can't remember which episode, the one where they took down the ADA for being a murderer. Lisbon said, I know someday I'm going to lose my job because of you. Jane said, I'm always going to be here to protect you and then Lisbon said I don't need your protection. They said some other stuff and I got to thinking that this was in the second season of the series and it actually did occur. What I found is of you listen to the dialogue very carefully, it does tie up some loose ends. Also and very briefly, Jane does verbalize his inner feelings. It may only be a line or two but he does do it. He does it like someone making an off the cuff remark, so you don't really pay close attention to it. I put my DVD's on for background noise when I'm doing other things and instead of being entertained, I really can hear the dialogue. Some of the things the series did was verbal and not visual. So while we thought it should have been acted out, it was actually a verbal conclusion. A couple of times I literally stopped and said did I hear what I just heard and I'd then go back and watch it play out. It plays out differently in the brain when you are distracted by the visual portion of the scene. So if they conclude something verbally with a line or two, we talking about maybe a couple of seconds. Which is something that could easily be missed. Also things that have been said to Jane when someone has cold read him that he agrees with. I really believe that they knew Jane and Lisbon would get together in the end from the very beginning. While they weren't slobbering all over each other like Rigspelt, there were subtle indicators. Like Jane dancing for Lisbon trying to cheer her up. Now a guy will not put himself out there for a woman like that unless he really cares for her. So while he was pushing her away he was also drawing her in at the sometime. A woman always knows when a guy likes her like that. Some of the dialogue they had was more then just close friends or work buddies talking. In the first season, second episode there was a statement about soul mates and then Jane puts his hand on Lisbon's shoulder. These very briefly subtle things have been there from the beginning. And because they are so brief you don't think anything of it. I saw something in watching a episode that makes me think Jane and Lisbon will be married. If it happens, I'll show you where I saw it. If they don't, I'll chalk it up to wishful thinking!
Here's the thing with TV show interviews, especially the mentalist. This is a serial mystery and while they are not reading a script, they are still acting and their speech is scripted. If you noticed all of Baker's interviews are ambiguous and polished. They release only promotional information meant to boost the ratings. While I enjoy the off set interviews, I have not seen one yet that was not carefully scripted. They are not about to give away the store..
I think they may try to wrap things up. Obviously the Red John ending didn't work well philosophically for a lot of people, I get it and liked it as well once I figured it out. I think the more visceral ending would have been more exciting. It would have played better to hear Red John explain what he had been up to and why. I really wanted to see and hear him say it. It would have been nice to have had him unveiled like the slithering snake he was portrayed as for six years and then see Patrick Jane choke the crap out of him. I think that would have given a feeling of satisfaction. In some respects, we waited as long as Jane to find out who Red John was. With all the dangling threads it was anticlimactic and unsatisfying. Not to mention that McAllister didn't fit the Red John persona. So I'm hoping that the big reveal comes with the string pulling puppet master. Oh, something else Rationalgal! when Abbott first referred to their boss, Abbott said the word he. When Fischer referred to their boss, she used the word she. COINCIDENCE? MISTAKE? OR DOES THE PLOT THICKEN?
The one that killed Lennon had no facial hair and is not the one that shook hands with Jane and said you don't know me, but I know you. Red sails in the sunset where Lorelei talks about the handshake is three episodes later. The Kirkland with the facial hair was at ease with Lisbon, flirted with her and asked her out for coffee The one that showed up was strange acting and without facial hair. He was less relaxed and didn't know how to talk to Lisbon. Maybe it was a plot device, to throw suspicion on Kirkland but it wasn't by accident.
I don't think so because his actions were intentional. Jane targeting Hannigan was intentional. Jane never had any intention of leaving. That's why he told Lisbon that he would go walk around for three hours.
Also I'm curious as to why in the episode The Devil's Cherry, Lisbon says Jane is having another episode? All this stuff is occurring in season five. It can not be coincidental. The writers could not have gotten it this wrong.
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