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Barlow made an interesting statement. He said any punk could say here is Red John, there is Red John and you'd believe him. That's an interesting statement considering what we have discovered about the Red Johns. He also said, he will always defeat you and that Red John had powers, real psychic powers. What was Barlow trying to tell Jane and why did he look so worried at the end? What is lurking in Jane past that everyone seems to know about but won't talk about?

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@Rationalgal, I've been thinking about what you posted. I recall that we discussed the possibility of Michael Kirkland trading places with Robert Kirkland and was the one that was shot and killed. That's where Jane's list got a little tricky. When they added the twin in the mix, it then could have been either one of them and the list still would have been right. So if one of them pops up again, we won't know who's who. I think you are right about the Red John's and it makes sense. Why would two Red Johns have basically the same information and talk the same way unless they were speaking for someone else. At this point we don't know if it was T. Carter or T. McAllister. I think one thing is certain, and that is Jane's information was passed down to these two people who said they were the one's who killed Jane's family. Now we know both of them could not have done it. But both were sent to confess it. This also includes Bertram who said over the phone don't make me use the funny voice. What this indicates is that a hit was put on Jane's family. The person who ordered the hit was not the same person who killed his family. If we keep getting different people showing up saying they are Red John, it only means one thing. SOMEONE IS SENDING THEM. I think Stiles controlled Red John and was never worried about anything he knew about him. If anything it would be just the opposite. I think that there have been multiple people acting in the name of Red John and that's why the M.O. changed. I don't believe Stiles and Haffner are dead. There is no way McAllister acted alone in Jane's beach house. Jane had the gun on Bertram, Smith and McAllister. He was facing them with the gun. That left Stiles and Haffner behind Jane and they could have done anything. It also appears that most of the damage was done in the area of where Stiles and Haffner were. This area had the most damage which indicates deception. For me it's just like the foot with no sock, shoe or damage. I even said that Jane looked pretty good for someone who had been blown up when I first saw the episode. All of them went in alive and they all came out alive. Something just crossed my mind. Why did McAllister get killed? He was suppose too and that's why he walked over to Jane when no one else ever would have. McAllister was sent there to die and make Jane believe he had finally killed the real one. This time the person behind all of this would finally convince Jane that it was over. Psychologically speaking, it's a smart game. It would stop his blood lust obsession for revenge and the person behind it all could truly retire. I think while we won't see Red John activities as we are use to seeing them. We will slowly see some similarities that will make Jane question what happened. Now talking about an evil twisted diabolical game that could be played. How could Jane ever say Red John is alive without everyone thinking he was crazy. I could see them using the twin for this and having it lead back to Stiles and Visualize. The discovery that Stiles was the mastermind and the reason that Jane's family was really dead. Jane realizing that Stiles is untouchable and having to live with his discovery.

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Remember what the dean of his college did? She slapped Stiles in the face and said LOOK WHAT YOU TURNED ME INTO. She committed murder to protect Stiles and Visualize.

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THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US ALL TO THE END OF REDEMPTION ROAD RATIONALGAL! THE CHOIR HAS JUST SUNG. THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE THING WAS ABOUT! NOW IF WE CAN GET JANE TO DRINK THE KOOL AIDE, ITS A WRAP!

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All in all, I wouldn't trade Jane for James Bond, unless he were James Bond!

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I think what it's really going to come down to is that Jane has learned that he shouldn't knock on the devil's door because he will open it! THEN WHAT YOU GONNA DO? OOPS, TOO LATE! NOW YOU HAVE TO GO IN AND GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! SEE YA! HE'S ALWAYS SAYING THAT PEOPLE GET HURT OR ARE IN DANGER WHEN THEY ARE AROUND HIM. THAT'S BECAUSE HE KEEPS F**KIN' WITH DANGEROUS STUFF. JANE KEEPS LIGHTING STICKS OF DYNAMITE AND EXPECTING THEM NOT TO BLOW UP! HE'S A BIT OF A THRILL SEEKER.

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Maybe what this whole big thing is about; is that there is good and evil around EVERY corner. That the evil can be as GREAT as your GREATEST intent of righteousness. That there are as many evil people in the world as there are good ones. That we all have choices in life and not everyone chooses to be good or right or just or righteous. Learning to live with that and knowing how to choose battles you can win for all the right reasons. Knowing that evil is not unintelligent and as easily defeated just because you are righteous. Knowing that the lines of good and evil can become so blurred that what you thought was righteous can turn out to be as evil as the evil you were attempting to fight. Knowing that you are not alone and have some faith in the people that support what you support. That being the smartest one in the room doesn't mean you are always right because collectively, the room can be smarter then you individually. MAYBE PATRICK JANE WILL LEARN HOW TO FIT IN AND ACCEPT THAT HE CAN'T STOP EVERYTHING BECAUSE HE HAS AS WILL TO DO IT. AND THAT HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT. MAYBE PATRICK JANE WILL LEARN THAT HE CAN OVERCOME HIS WRONGS AND THAT THE LESSON HE HAD TO LEARN WAS THERE ARE THINGS IS THIS WORLD THAT ARE GREATER THAN HIM AND WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT THEM. AND THAT HE SHOULD JUST LEAVE SOME SHIT ALONE. THAT'S WHY T. CARTER TOLD JANE TO GET ON WITH HIS PRECIOUS LIFE. HE WAS TRYING TO TELL JANE THAT HE CAN'T BEAT EVERYTHING.

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I knew you saw that shit, you can't help but see it and it needs to be addressed.

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Remember when the FBI had the undercover agent at Visualize for three years? They were feeding him all kinds of stupid information. He would have never found out anything because of the way their chain of command operates. He was a low level grunt, I don't know what he thought he would learn. Stiles told Jane he knew about Brother Wench and his clumsy machinations. Stiles told Jane that he didn't tell that member to kill their lawyer who was going to spill the beans about what he knew. Jane responded by saying, you didn't tell to do it out right but you certainly limited his options and that's the same as telling him to do it. So here we have Stiles ordering a hit and the member follows through and takes the blame. Like Jane told him prior to that. YOU WOULDN'T HURT A FLY. SO JANE BASICALLY TOLD STILES THAT HE KNOWS STILES WOULDN'T HURT A FLY BUT THAT HE KNOWS THE FLY WOULD GET HURT ALL THE SAME. Also Rationalgal, remember visualize has prearranged marriages. They have their own college, the brightest and and the best from all over the world. Members can live and work their. It is listed in the series as the headquarters of the visualize organization. It is a self-contained entity with many branches and Stiles is at the head of it. I think they can softly explore the nature and climate of Visualize without stepping on any toes. They got away with the blood ceremony. I think they already opened the door! Visualize has the ability to put their college educated members in any high office in society. They then are privy to all that entities information. They find some dirt, threaten them and either extort or bring them into the fold. Now Stiles is starting to look like the puppet master he really is.

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Now I going back to watch the Red Barn.