1. What was your favorite Gossip Girl quote from the episode?
Blair: "I'm just as flummoxed as you are. I got out at 53rd and made a run for it but he is faster than he looks." I love that b/c this is Blair being herself around Nate. The fact he didn't respond with a clever bon mot (as C. would) was disappointing - but not surprising.
2. How are you liking the Gabriel-Poppy financial caper story line?
Kudos to the writers for keeping storylines timely. And really, it is a stretch to think Serena would get con'd?
3. More puzzling decision: Chuck letting go of Blair because he loves her, or Lily having Serena arrested to avoid drawing attention to the scheme?
Of course Chuck set her free - he must think "Wrong" is his personal anthem! Lily acting like her mother out of the blue? Maybe over the course of a season - but not in a few eps.
4. Biggest stretch: Serena thinking Gabriel would simply return the money, Dan overhearing everything, or the increasingly strange Kelly Rutherford pregnancy-hiding outfits?
Serena thinking he'd return the money... you'd think when she realized she'd been naive, she'd have stopped being so naive!
5. How will Chuck react to seeing Nate and Blair at the prom?
The word that comes to mind is 'wistful'. We know he's going to be Good Chuck, but I read somewhere it's Chuck *and Serena* that help Blair... hmmm...
BONUS QUESTION: Are you excited for the '80s Lily flashbacks?
No. I'm seriously ticked that they would split the episode about SENIOR PROM with the flashbacks. I'd rather watch the girls dress-shopping and the mean girls agonizing over dates. This is the social culmination of high school, and they don't even allude to it except for a throw-away comment from Blair to Nate?! Not only unbelieveable, but lame. :(
Ed fans check out this interview where he answers "this or that" questions as himself, including "Blair or Serena?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKbofV0i8E0&feature=channel
I'm not a fan of Rufus since around the time Lily got married. She needs someone to put her in her place and what she gets is an idiot skipping down the street and saying hello to strangers?! PLEASE. And Lily having Serena arrested only makes sense to me if she thought Serena was in danger - but when she left her there to 'teach her a lesson', it was completely out of character for LIly and not believable. Seriously - it's LESS of a scandal for her daughter to be arrested than for a bunch of billioniares to find out they were scammed out of $100k?! Like Serena's mug shot wouldn't be on the gossip sites in a matter of minutes!
BUT... I was relieved a crimp was thrown in the plans for a Lily-Rufus wedding... I'm not opposed to it, but if Rufus can't handle earning less money than Lily, is he really going to insist on "supporting" his family on his meager income? I mean, Jenny won't even qualify for financial aid at Constance anymore - so he'll HAVE to take Lily's $$$ then...
It wasn't the most action-packed episode, but I liked it for the group scenes, for the Nair and Chair scenes, and for bringing Georgina back. Michelle Trachtenberg is an awesome addition - hope she sticks around!
Blair & Chuck finally... get all product out of his hair, and celebrate by building a bowtie bonfire
Serena is shocked by... having to wear a prom dress that doesn't show off her boobs
Georgina decides to... recruit Jenny to lead a Brooklyn chapter of her Jesus cult - WWLJD?
Dan, Nate and Vanessa unknowingly... share the same pot dealer in the Village
Before GG, he was in Son of Rambow - a critical success, Children of Men, and Breaking and Entering. He trained in London's Youth Theater. But since hitting GG, he chose 2 movies: 100 Feet - an indie supernatural thriller likely to go to DVD, and then S. Darko - another supernatural thriller. I'm wondering if he's just being a normal 21 year old guy and taking roles in the kind of movies he likes watching? Or else he's playing it smart and trying to avoid over-exposure. Chace has less acting experience than anyone on the cast, and I think it's risky for him to take a movie role at this point... if he fails, it will be really hard for him to overcome the label of "over-ambitious TV actor".
A lot of women have had the experience of being attracted to a 'bad boy' who they're sure has a 'good heart', and Chuck has evolved in such a way to perfectly play into that fantasy. Absolutely, most bad boys do have goodness in them, but generally aren't worth the effort. So it's fun to watch the fantasy play out in the show where he is. What I actually look forward to is seeing the writers find a way to keep enough bad boy around to keep Chuck "Chuck", but without turning his "Chuckness" on Blair. We'll see....
I'm a Chair fan who hopes Chuck tells Blair that it doesn't matter how he feels because she has to decide for herself whether she belongs with Nate, and his feelings don't factor into that. It's not going to be ILY we know, so the alternatives are they're interrupted or he's ambivalent.
Chuck has never felt worthy of Blair - or of anyone's love, it seems - and I think until the very end it will continue to be him pining for her from afar - kindof like Rufus did for Lily - thinking he's being noble. I am excited to find out what changes that for him, because I feel like there has to be something significant. (e.g., a good friend of mine dated a guy who wanted to marry her for 5 years...he was in a car accident, and for 2 hours she didn't know if he was okay - she realized she didn't want to live another minute without him by her side. They've been married 5 years and have 2 kids :))
Leaving Nate entirely out of the equation, if you truly believe Chuck does not love, or never loved, Blair, you have never experienced that kind of love.
Ed has a gift to be able to have Chuck look at Blair in a way that I have been looked at before - a look that pierces your heart and touches your soul and takes your breath away. I've seen it with my parents and a few friends, too, and it transcends anything Chuck may have said to her or anyone else. When I see him look at her that way, I don't have to wonder.
As for not 'fighting' for her...I think sometimes people have seen Twilight or Titanic too many times! I'm not saying it's perfect - but I've never questioned that he truly loves her.
Great dress - super flattering and an unusual color. Not a big fan of her new hair color, though - seeing pics of her younger, have to say chocolate hair suits her better - it makes her amazing skin and eyes 'pop'. I wish the show would stop inching her lighter. (Then again, look what the hairstylists do to Ed's luscious locks every week...)
Yay for Ed! Based on clips of other work he's done in Britain, I think he's going to have a good, long career... if he can avoid the pitfalls of working in LaLa Land post-Gossip Girl.
So having drunk sex with your girlfriend's best friend - while she's in the building - isn't f'd up? Sleeping with a married woman and taking $ from her while you're trying to win back V isn't f'd up? Hitting on your emotionally-distraught ex-girlfriend when you know your best friend is still in love with her isn't f'd up? And getting back together with your ex-girlfriend while actually wanting her to totally be a different person than she is isn't totally f'd up?
If you're going to say she shouldn't forgive Chuck and be with him b/c of all his past behaviors, then you have to apply the same rules to Nate.
And for the record - I'm over 30 and guys DO (still) tease girls when they like them - it just gets a little more subtle. I think it's a way for guys to let us know they're paying attention, but keeps the conversation from being too serious. Chuck is ALWAYS telling Blair things that reveal the attention he pays her, from the Snowflake Ball candidate list to her beret. Just because he does it with humor doesn't mean it doesn't count!
Since Nate didn't originally intend for Blair to move in with him - that was a spur-of-the-moment thing - I don't think her refusing to move in with him would cause them to break up. It would force a difficult conversation, but moving in together is a huge step and they've only been back together for like a month.
Does anyone else think there's significance to the fact the place is empty? I mean, he took her there but didn't bother to bring any of his own stuff, or put a picture of the two of them up somewhere as a romantic gesture?
I can't decide if there's no meaning at all to the emptyness; or that it's supposed to foreshadow what's not going to happen - he won't keep the place for some reason TBD; or if it's a visual metaphor somehow... e.g., leasing it is an 'empty gesture' because he did it out of fear.
BTW - I am not endorsing bashing actors b/c you don't like their characters or don't think they're attractive. Growing up in the limelight is hard enough, let alone having every inch of your body dissected and criticized on a weekly basis. I'm so bored with the cookie-cutter L.A. actor look I'm thrilled to have someone like Ed mix it up. Just because the guy hasn't had his teeth filed down and veneered ($2000 per tooth) does not diminish his acting ability.
People can hate Chuck (or even Ed) all they want, but every time there's a post about him either with Nate or Blair it gets like, 10 times the number of posts of other threads. You may hate him, but you can't deny that without him there would be a lot less to talk about!!
I'm a Chair fan but disagree that it was improper to have Nate stand up to Chuck. Go back to the van der Bilt reunion. His first instinct is to leave, and then playing football he gets steamrolled and whines to his Grandfather how unfair it is. But William gives him a wake-up call, essentially telling him to "grow a pair" - which he does, and proceeds to plow Tripp into the ground, set Blair right, and make his first 'political' speech to accept the summer internship. This sets the stage for Blair to see him as a lifeboat on her stormy seas, but also for him to realize he and Vanessa want different things. (Though there's no excusing his breakup with V - ignoring her for a week and dumping her in public? Uncool.)
XOXO_96 I was thinking the same thing reading the thread for the first sneak peek - people are more forgiving of Blair. I always felt bad for Chuck at the beginning of High Society when she says "I don't want anyone to know". Ouch.
Anyway, I knew there had to be a mistake about Chuck-sabotage-at-the-prom rumor... it just didn't gel with the whole season, which unfolded as a kindof slow-motion epiphany for him. Maybe they should've given him a butterfly-pattered bow-tie!
I'm thinking Blair may come to realize at the prom that she loves Nate - but is not *in* love with him... which would explain her being happy in some photos then the clinging sadness when they're dancing, and then her leaving alone. I definitely do NOT think she leaves with Chuck. I mean, then why ***SPOILER*** would Chuck be giving her gifts and flowers on the street if they were already together at the end of the prom?***END SPOILER***
For her and Chuck to work, it's not only Chuck who has to change...The butterfly (good eye!) may represent her realization that she is not defined by a man, a college, or a social club... and that no other person or thing is the key to her happiness.
I grew up with a guy who was totally self-destructive - drank to excess, did drugs, slept around... a total hottie with incredible charm and charism who couldn't commit to save his life. No surprise - he had a horrid family situation and totally acted out. This went on into his 20's, until he met one of the sweetest, kindest girls - very smart, very grounded, from a close-knit family. They have been married now like, 8 years, and he's a totally different person.
So for everyone who disses Chair because no one believes Chuck could possibly make Blair happy or stop being an ass, I have seen it happen. There's just no accounting for the power of love. I think that's the secret to Chair... Chuck lights up in Blair's presence, and when she believes in him, he starts to believe in himself, too. That is an awesome thing to see.
I'm not really excited for the spin-off. I was actually thinking that a spinoff about Nate's family could be VERY interesting! The 80's are having a moment right now fashion-wise, but I'm not sure it's going to make it as a show that runs 3 or more years.
And for the record, I don't think Chuck was being cocky... he's always been the person in the group to say what others think but won't say. Sometimes he's uncouth, but it's also refreshing. Every day at work I write emails that I have to totally re-write because I cannot say what I'm really thinking. I actually kindof envy that about Chuck - he can put it out there and deal with the consequences. I'd looove to do that to some of my colleagues, but I need to keep my job!!
Thanks for the insight, Shay - I didn't read the books, so that helps. And I do get what you're saying. Sounds like they've sort of short-changed him on the show by only showing him with his family and Blair. If we saw him being captain of the soccer team, the life of the party, with different girls always chasing him, it would make more sense to me. (Well, I also don't believe Blair would put up with his clothes always being wrinkled ;)
It's weird - though Nate stood up to his father - even slugged him - I never felt the emotion from him that this clip has. Bravo, Chace!
Chuck has gradually learned to care for people through the season, but his father made being in a relationship sound terrifying. "It will change everything" - and comes with responsibility for another human being. Except at 17, Chuck wasn't ready to take responsibility for himself, let alone someone else.
Since The Grandfather, Chuck's realized that Blair needs someone to believe in her and finally understands he can't take her friendship or love for granted. No one ever set boundaries for Chuck - except Blair. Top that off with an ultimatum from his best friend, and we've finally got a realistic foundation for a real Chair relationship.
What makes a Chair LTR compelling for me, aside from hot hookups, is that there's room for growth and change... Does anyone think Blair - who has ambition to burn - will still be ok with Nate's slacker attitude four years from now? I wish a Nair fan could tell me what Nate plans to do with his life that would remotely give him and Blair a chance. RE: "Blair Bitch Project"...N: "You really don't get me, do you?" C: "That dream of yours...What is it, really? Because, I hear you talk about how you don't want to go to Dartmouth, and how you don't want to follow in your father's footsteps,but what exactly *do* you want?" N: "All I know is it's not this." Someone please tell me, besides Blair, what DOES Nate want?
Michele Trachtenberg is such a great addition to the cast! I hope they find a way for her to keep coming back - she has great chemistry with the group and she's funny! Love the "Ocean's 11"-style of the promo. Looks like it's going to be fun - can't wait to see Serena get her Blair on! :)
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Gossip Girl Round Table: "The Wrath of Con"
Blair: "I'm just as flummoxed as you are. I got out at 53rd and made a run for it but he is faster than he looks." I love that b/c this is Blair being herself around Nate. The fact he didn't respond with a clever bon mot (as C. would) was disappointing - but not surprising.
2. How are you liking the Gabriel-Poppy financial caper story line?
Kudos to the writers for keeping storylines timely. And really, it is a stretch to think Serena would get con'd?
3. More puzzling decision: Chuck letting go of Blair because he loves her, or Lily having Serena arrested to avoid drawing attention to the scheme?
Of course Chuck set her free - he must think "Wrong" is his personal anthem! Lily acting like her mother out of the blue? Maybe over the course of a season - but not in a few eps.
4. Biggest stretch: Serena thinking Gabriel would simply return the money, Dan overhearing everything, or the increasingly strange Kelly Rutherford pregnancy-hiding outfits?
Serena thinking he'd return the money... you'd think when she realized she'd been naive, she'd have stopped being so naive!
5. How will Chuck react to seeing Nate and Blair at the prom?
The word that comes to mind is 'wistful'. We know he's going to be Good Chuck, but I read somewhere it's Chuck *and Serena* that help Blair... hmmm...
BONUS QUESTION: Are you excited for the '80s Lily flashbacks?
No. I'm seriously ticked that they would split the episode about SENIOR PROM with the flashbacks. I'd rather watch the girls dress-shopping and the mean girls agonizing over dates. This is the social culmination of high school, and they don't even allude to it except for a throw-away comment from Blair to Nate?! Not only unbelieveable, but lame. :(
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It's a credit to Leighton and Ed that out of 40 minutes of airtime, their
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Gossip Girl Forum: "The Wrath of Con"
BUT... I was relieved a crimp was thrown in the plans for a Lily-Rufus wedding... I'm not opposed to it, but if Rufus can't handle earning less money than Lily, is he really going to insist on "supporting" his family on his meager income? I mean, Jenny won't even qualify for financial aid at Constance anymore - so he'll HAVE to take Lily's $$$ then...
It wasn't the most action-packed episode, but I liked it for the group scenes, for the Nair and Chair scenes, and for bringing Georgina back. Michelle Trachtenberg is an awesome addition - hope she sticks around!
Gossip Girl Spoilers: Season Finale Synopsis
Serena is shocked by... having to wear a prom dress that doesn't show off her boobs
Georgina decides to... recruit Jenny to lead a Brooklyn chapter of her Jesus cult - WWLJD?
Dan, Nate and Vanessa unknowingly... share the same pot dealer in the Village
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"The Wrath of Con" Canadian Promo
"The Wrath of Con" Canadian Promo
Chuck has never felt worthy of Blair - or of anyone's love, it seems - and I think until the very end it will continue to be him pining for her from afar - kindof like Rufus did for Lily - thinking he's being noble. I am excited to find out what changes that for him, because I feel like there has to be something significant. (e.g., a good friend of mine dated a guy who wanted to marry her for 5 years...he was in a car accident, and for 2 hours she didn't know if he was okay - she realized she didn't want to live another minute without him by her side. They've been married 5 years and have 2 kids :))
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Ed has a gift to be able to have Chuck look at Blair in a way that I have been looked at before - a look that pierces your heart and touches your soul and takes your breath away. I've seen it with my parents and a few friends, too, and it transcends anything Chuck may have said to her or anyone else. When I see him look at her that way, I don't have to wonder.
As for not 'fighting' for her...I think sometimes people have seen Twilight or Titanic too many times! I'm not saying it's perfect - but I've never questioned that he truly loves her.
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If you're going to say she shouldn't forgive Chuck and be with him b/c of all his past behaviors, then you have to apply the same rules to Nate.
And for the record - I'm over 30 and guys DO (still) tease girls when they like them - it just gets a little more subtle. I think it's a way for guys to let us know they're paying attention, but keeps the conversation from being too serious. Chuck is ALWAYS telling Blair things that reveal the attention he pays her, from the Snowflake Ball candidate list to her beret. Just because he does it with humor doesn't mean it doesn't count!
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Does anyone else think there's significance to the fact the place is empty? I mean, he took her there but didn't bother to bring any of his own stuff, or put a picture of the two of them up somewhere as a romantic gesture?
I can't decide if there's no meaning at all to the emptyness; or that it's supposed to foreshadow what's not going to happen - he won't keep the place for some reason TBD; or if it's a visual metaphor somehow... e.g., leasing it is an 'empty gesture' because he did it out of fear.
Thoughts???
"The Wrath of Con" Sneak Preview
"The Wrath of Con" Sneak Preview
I'm a Chair fan but disagree that it was improper to have Nate stand up to Chuck. Go back to the van der Bilt reunion. His first instinct is to leave, and then playing football he gets steamrolled and whines to his Grandfather how unfair it is. But William gives him a wake-up call, essentially telling him to "grow a pair" - which he does, and proceeds to plow Tripp into the ground, set Blair right, and make his first 'political' speech to accept the summer internship. This sets the stage for Blair to see him as a lifeboat on her stormy seas, but also for him to realize he and Vanessa want different things. (Though there's no excusing his breakup with V - ignoring her for a week and dumping her in public? Uncool.)
Gossip Girl Spoilers: Blair, Chuck and the Prom
Anyway, I knew there had to be a mistake about Chuck-sabotage-at-the-prom rumor... it just didn't gel with the whole season, which unfolded as a kindof slow-motion epiphany for him. Maybe they should've given him a butterfly-pattered bow-tie!
I'm thinking Blair may come to realize at the prom that she loves Nate - but is not *in* love with him... which would explain her being happy in some photos then the clinging sadness when they're dancing, and then her leaving alone. I definitely do NOT think she leaves with Chuck. I mean, then why ***SPOILER*** would Chuck be giving her gifts and flowers on the street if they were already together at the end of the prom?***END SPOILER***
For her and Chuck to work, it's not only Chuck who has to change...The butterfly (good eye!) may represent her realization that she is not defined by a man, a college, or a social club... and that no other person or thing is the key to her happiness.
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So for everyone who disses Chair because no one believes Chuck could possibly make Blair happy or stop being an ass, I have seen it happen. There's just no accounting for the power of love. I think that's the secret to Chair... Chuck lights up in Blair's presence, and when she believes in him, he starts to believe in himself, too. That is an awesome thing to see.
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And for the record, I don't think Chuck was being cocky... he's always been the person in the group to say what others think but won't say. Sometimes he's uncouth, but it's also refreshing. Every day at work I write emails that I have to totally re-write because I cannot say what I'm really thinking. I actually kindof envy that about Chuck - he can put it out there and deal with the consequences. I'd looove to do that to some of my colleagues, but I need to keep my job!!
"The Wrath of Con" Sneak Preview
"The Wrath of Con" Sneak Preview
Chuck has gradually learned to care for people through the season, but his father made being in a relationship sound terrifying. "It will change everything" - and comes with responsibility for another human being. Except at 17, Chuck wasn't ready to take responsibility for himself, let alone someone else.
Since The Grandfather, Chuck's realized that Blair needs someone to believe in her and finally understands he can't take her friendship or love for granted. No one ever set boundaries for Chuck - except Blair. Top that off with an ultimatum from his best friend, and we've finally got a realistic foundation for a real Chair relationship.
What makes a Chair LTR compelling for me, aside from hot hookups, is that there's room for growth and change... Does anyone think Blair - who has ambition to burn - will still be ok with Nate's slacker attitude four years from now? I wish a Nair fan could tell me what Nate plans to do with his life that would remotely give him and Blair a chance. RE: "Blair Bitch Project"...N: "You really don't get me, do you?" C: "That dream of yours...What is it, really? Because, I hear you talk about how you don't want to go to Dartmouth, and how you don't want to follow in your father's footsteps,but what exactly *do* you want?" N: "All I know is it's not this." Someone please tell me, besides Blair, what DOES Nate want?
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