@Diana - If you go back to season 1, I think you'll find that those episodes were the same in tone as this season. The only difference is that the audience was in the thrall of a new experience. OUAT has never been a romantic comedy. It's never been "light." The first 7 episodes alone had Regina murdering her father, Rumple murdering the previous Dark One to assume his identity, Cinderella's story, Jiminy Cricket's story, Charming's story & how he came to impersonate the dead prince, and Sheriff Graham dying at the hands of Regina. I'm surprised people recall last year so differently because this is even before Grumpy's story, Red's story (definitely dark), and Mary Margaret's arrest for murder.
@Cheska - You're trying to figure out Bae's age based on linear time. That won't work because the portal Bae went through could have dropped him off anywhere on Earth at any point in time. He could have ended up in the 1800's, or he might have been dropped off in 2000 at the age of 13, which would make him 25 years old now. The writers can make him any age they want for the purposes of the story.
FROM BELOW...That gives me the opportunity to say this. Dear TPTB,If you want to add a recurring character, be it intern or another Grimm, please consider a kick-ass FEMALE character who is not the age of Nick's mom. It's time to introduce someone who is neither witchy (like Adalind & her mom) or sweet & docile (like Juliette & Rosalee). But, instead a capable, intelligent, quick-witted professional who can hold her own & bring something to the party. I liked Detective Valentina. Since she's on leave from the New Mexico PD & she doesn't have anything to do for a whole year, you should think about it. Remember how much more interesting BUFFY & ANGEL became when Faith & Darla were introduced, challenging the morals of the shows heroes? Take a risk. Try it. Think long-term. Thank you!
ery interesting episode. Glad that Ryan wasn't a permanent cast addition, although the character himself was intriguing & had potential. It felt like his purpose was not planned very well. Would this have developed better if the audience had seen him in his home environment w/an alcoholic over several episodes, come to sympathize with him because he really wants to be a detective, & then been shocked that he was actually stalking Nick? It could have been written with the possibility that he was a Grimm before discovering he was a wesen. Talk about self-loathing. What the *&%^ was he? Looked like some sort of vampire worm creature. His whole introduction & storyline just felt so rushed. Recurring characters can be woven much better than this intern so there is an actual emotional payoff instead of the feeling of "see ya!" To compare, refer to the Jonathan character in BUFFY. But, since he's a murderer, I don't think we'll be seeing Ryan again...CONTINUED ABOVE
Not surprised that Schmidt would actually see MAGIC MIKE. I don't know any guy who wanted to see that movie this summer. But, Schmidt would totally own the experience. LOL!
@Mike - I think it's Victor's *opinion* that there is no magic in his world. But, compared to ours, reanimating a corpse requires a level of science that is near miraculous and possibly magical. BTW, just because our world is "without magic" doesn't mean those from other realms can't enter & exit. The ruby slippers, the magic bean, Jefferson's hat - people come & go so quickly here!
FANTASTIC episode! We're coming full circle and it's heartbreaking to watch the cycle of young Bishops dying, leaving agonized parents in their wake. That discussion between Walter & Peter is coming, and I can't wait to see it. Loved seeing Broyles! Now we know how he has survived working with the enemy all these years. Don't understand the reviewers comment about Windmark knowing about Broyles & the original Fringe team. I thought he knew about them because of the Observers travels through time. I'm sure they took notes & sent them back to the home office. And, I LOVED the basement! "Oh, it's my old Porcupine Man!" I think it's brilliant that the Fringe team could now use some of the old cases that caused a lot of pain & misery back in the day against the Observers. I appreciate that there was no exposition about what they took, and hope they do the same in future episodes. Just surprise us and let us remember.
@Watson - I completely agree with you! What did people expect? That Olivia & Peter would skip into the sunset together and we'd be watching them house hunt in Boston? Yuck! It's been established to the audience that the Observers are doing no less than raping the Earth. They will continue to plunder it until it's drained of all sustainable elements for human life, at which time they'll probably move on to another planet. They're like the Borg, minus the sexy mucous Queen. @Briar - The Fringe team is on a desperate mission to save humanity, well past the "justice" stage and in the midst of "saving everyone on Earth" stage. It calls for desperate measures. Yes, even the biowarfare gas. If the existence of the human race hangs in the balance, I would be on board with gassing aliens that invaded my planet from outer space. I would say "Hell yes!" to sending a nuclear bomb up into their ship like in the movie INDEPENDENCE DAY. Absolutely! Why wouldn't you?
Maybe this has something to do with sports. Does NBC broadcast a lot of collegiate & pro sports in the winter & spring that pre-empt their programming? Sometimes that ticks off loyal viewers to the point that it's better to delay a series until later. Then it can run uninterrupted, new episodes through the end of May.
I don't get it. I don't understand this incessant need to pair up every single female with a corresponding male just because they share one scene together. And, it happens with nearly EVERY show on television now! Not just this one. Before, there used to be the slow build up for a couple of seasons. Then UST for a couple more. Now, it's "Swillian" by his second episode, and they haven't spent more than 5 minutes on screen together. It's like the entire viewing audience has become matchmakers. I expect it from fans. But, I don't expect it from reviewers. There wasn't anything else in the ENTIRE episode this Round Table could have discussed? What about the half-dozen references to THE WIZARD OF OZ? The extent of Rumple's conspiracies and how this plot explains Regina's attitude & actions later? Young Jefferson vs. Daddy Jefferson?
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