Some things that weren't clear (or were left hanging) in the episode are the murder of 2 of the 3 at the farm before the last one was killed by the vet's daughter. When were they killed? Did the last guy know they were dead and where their bodies were? If Red John killed them, why didn't he kill all 3? If Red John didn't kill them, who did?
That is, it still isn't conclusive to me that Stiles knows who he is and helps Red John because anyone who did is evil and Stiles has been presented as egotistical, possibly a con man, although he comes off as a true believer, and making money off his church, but he hasn't been portrayed as someone who enjoys watching people be totured and killed -- although, like I'm suggesting after this episode, Red John at least passed through Visualize, which Stiles may have realized already and could maybe help Jane find him at some point???
It would be really lame if Hafner was Red John. The one thing Hafner does do, though, is tie Visualize in in some manner. I didn't think anything of Stiles being out of the country (just figured either the actor was unavailable or they wanted to save paying him when they could hint/imply something if he wasn't available). To those of us watching at home, Visualize is sinister -- but I don't see it's actually portrayed in the show to the characters as anything much more than, say, scientology, which isn't "borderline unethical" to be a member of.
Yes, from the Christening on! Terrific. 5 star episode all the way!!
I was going to comment that the knife Ziva had was probably for the rending of clothes (Keriah) during Shiva -- Shiva being the name of the episode; however, when I did a google search, the info I found was that the tearing is to be done by hand, not by a knife except for people to weak to make a tear over the heart (so that there's more emotional release by the extra difficulty of ripping by hand) and is supposed to be done while standing, which she wasn't when she brought out the knife. So, I don't know if there's different information I didn't run across, if the show took license with the details, or the knife meant something else entirely. It would be pretty crazy to use a knife to dig a hole deep enough to plant a tree, especially when a shovel would likely be easier to come by???
continued ... Anyhow, maybe the numbers are poor for CBS, but The Mentalist's numbers would likely put it in the top 1, 2, or 3 on every other network (like Fox's Bones has just been renewed with numbers in the 6 to 8 range where The Mentalist is usually over 10, even against Sunday Night Football with irregular start times). My wish/point is that they do settle the Red John case this year before they have to make him Emperor of the Universe to keep the mystique going -- and then carry on ... on any network that wants the hit show, CBS or any other (especially if the actors are tied up for 7 seasons)!
I too think that the Red John angle has been misplayed. Serial killers most often look like the guy who works in a factory down the street who nobody can believe it when a couple of dozen bodies are found under the concrete floor of his basement -- but Red John has dozens of devoted slaves in the FBI and the CBI (I mean even Heath Ledger as the Joker would be an underling to RJ).
@pward -- I checked on the Iranian being blown up in D.C. because I was afraid I might have just assumed it incorrectly, but his car turns on the big boulevard with the capitol lit up in the background and then it cuts to him on the phone talking about going home ... and then the car blows up.
@Ace and @Ray -- I was surprised to run across at a conservative (acknowledging this would be a partisan opinion) site in an article on Hollywood politics that (again, their opinion) even NCIS has succumbed to pressure to be more generic with regard to terrorists and so try not to portray Muslims as terrorists. I haven't determined that is the case, so far, but I have been trying to notice.
Or maybe in some far future episode a body will turn up that Ducky will identify as Bodnar ....
A famous TV producers versus actors incident occurred back on M*A*S*H. McLean Stevenson became a semi-star with lots of opportunities and wanted to leave the show to pursue them. The producers, angry, had to let him go -- but they killed his character so he could never come back to the show if his career faltered! And of course his career did falter.
I'm just putting into the discussion that I think it is the standard nowadays to make sure an unhappy actor can't return (Kate, for instance). Maybe the Jackie-actress asked for a raise, or begged out of an episode for another commitment?
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