If I won't like the show enough I will not watch it. So far I still have Caroline, also known as the last good quality writing in this show. The moment they destroy her character integrity in some way(for example pairing her with murderous psycho like klaus) I will sure stop watching, just like around half a million people did already since mid s1.
Criticism is healthy. If I don't like something I sure as hell see no reason to not articulate my opinion with arguments on why I think so.
I'll say what I said in the forum thread about this very topic.
This show just became full on trainwreck.
Elena is the most annoying and most bland mary sue in the history of television. She is the Bella Swan of tv shows.
Death is a joke in this show. It means nothing. We do not fear on "omg who will die" we fear on "omg who will NOT die" because they have millions of ridiculous ways of bringing everyone back to life.
No one important dies.
And even if they do they revive
If they don't they become ghost.
If they don't they are completely forgotten and their death has no consequences.
elena more blander than bella swan lol no bella is the poster girl of mary sue
Well, she is. Elena is pretty much textbook definition of mary sue, complete with every male falling in love with her and her actions never having any consequences.
*facepalm* since when stefan ever been a wussy crybaby with no darkpast how can he in the beginning have one and then don't please explain your bullshit
Easy.
In S1, Show did not try to "whitewash" steffie's past. It was something he felt guilty about something "oh ma gawd horrible".
Then they introduced the whole bloodaholism. Then they added the whole ripper stuff, which also excuses of half the stuff he could have caused. And then every and every flashback of his has been relatively tame. And then when we actually GET the "famed ripper" in present, he is pretty much just more depressed steffie who does not even get a chance to be evil.
Thats how you turn a decent character into a wussie.
Guess why people LOVE Caroline? BEcause she has a character, personality and actual human flaws. Because her romance plotline with Tyler does not suck and feels VERY natural. Because she is interesting and lively character. Because Caroline is the last thing of good quality writing in this show that is slowly becoming a soap-opera tv adaptation of twilight.
. This people is called a love triangle. Which involves 3 people. Usually the main charcters. Who the show focuses on. So your all upset that there is not enough Caroline scenes, or Bonnie scenes
can you guess why?
- Because the supposed lead heroine, Elena is even blander and more boring than Bella Swan.
- Because the execution of love triangle plot is very ham-handed and poorly written.
- Because neither of the trio(Elena, Damon, Stefan) is likeable. Stefan started out as a decent character with dark past, turned into a wussy crybaby with no dark past. Damon started out as multi-layered complex antihero with layers of good and evil. Ended up Edward. Elena never even got a character. The triangle feels forced and pushed into every plotline for no reason. Its just so...fake.
For second, Buffy never really cared about "his redemption" it was more about HER and what she wants. Angel's redemption was staying as far away from her as possible, which they both eventually accepted.
For third, yes it still was Angel. Curse does not matter. Angelus IS Angel, just not restrained. Everything Angelus can do, Angel can, with enough reason to do that.
Caroline is NOT Buffy. She is THE OPPOSITE of her in terms of character direction.
Klaus is not Angel/Angelus nor he is Spike.
There's nothing similar tp those pairings and klaus/caroline makes absolutely no sense from writing theory nor from meaningful character development standpoint.
Come on - remember Angelus??? The Angel/Buffy love story was at its best when she was trying to help him to redemption...never giving up on him, love conquering all, etc. - granted she had to send him to HELL to make it happen AND it was a CURSE...not really him persay, but still, why shouldn't we have a new Buffy/Angel scenario with Caroline and Klaus? - they are almost worthy of filling those shoes...almost.
Seriously? Seriously? we are going to play THAT CARD? No.
For one, Buffy, while she IS and will forever be my favorite character, is the ANTITHESIS of Caroline.
Caroline is caring innocent a bit naive, but overall good person.
Buffy was one of the darkest and most morally gray characters of buffyverse. She was manipulative, ultimately VERY selfish and egoistic and had a huge superiority complex.
No, no no and no. It would completely and utterly ruin Caroline's character and Caroline is the LAST consistent character left in this show and the last bit of good quality writing left on this show.
Pen a eulogy for Bill Forbes.
"typecasting's a bitch, ain't it?". Thats pretty much all. Never cared about that character, never got a reason to care and it was obvious he will eventually get dead because hey, he is not main character(who never die) and he is an extra(who will always die)
Is Meredith Fell the Mystic Falls Stabber?
Could not care less about Miss Cardboard#2 named Meredith.
Make Elena a sociopath serial killer! Of course that would be way too good of a plot and considering how this show LOVES to rip off BUffy/Angel, Elena would most likely be possessed by someone, ala Cordelia's story in ATS S4.
Does Klaus have a point? Should Damon and Stefan let Elena go?
Yes. FINALLY kill Elena and free viewers from the pain and irritation she causes. Show would be thousand times better from that.
What was your favorite scene from the episode?
Caroline's scene after her father is found stabbed. While I could not care less for the guy(sorry, extra character, its obvious he will die from day one of his appearance), C.Accola's performance was AWESOME. Its so SAD that she did not get the role of Elena. Maybe Miss Cardboard would not be such a miss cardboard then...
With which brother would you most want to dine: Klaus, Elijah, Stefan or Damon?
Neither. All of them are serial killers and Damon is a serial rapist. While Elijah is most "competent" in terms of being a villain out of them all, I don't care about them at all and pretty much despise steffie&damon&klaus for being bland and wimpy.
Why do people hate the triangle. Pretty sure that triangle has been there since the very first time we ever saw Damon. Season 1 episode 1.
Yes. however:
1) IT WAS NOT THE FOCUS OF THE SHOW. Every one of those three characters had plotlined that had NOTHING to do with each other. Elena was searching for her Family, Damon was trying to free Katherine, Stefan was trying to deal with his past. It was there but not the main center of everything.
2) It was not as ham-handed as now. NOw everything is litterally is either directly about DES triangle of doom or is a metaphor about it.
3) All three characters were FAR better written back then. Elena was actually bearable and had a tiny speck of character, Damon was not a wussy and had different layers of personality and Stefan was not Edward.
meh. Its amusing on just How writers can't seem to get that ELENA SWAN and the whole love triangle IS the worst part of the show.
Their solution? Increase the amounts of it. Yeah. That surely helps. Now we all can facepalm at elena's blandness and stupidity twice the amount than we usually do. And we can laugh at the patheticness of Damon and Stefan twice the amount than we usually do.
And the irony in the fact that writers swore oaths and boasted on how much different and better this show is than twilight. Looks the same to me - bland boring and irritating character-less mary sue girl and two edwards.
Just kill the whole trio off and give this whole show to Caroline.
ALso I am pretty sure LJ set up BOOK DE(not the tv show trainwreck) as something that overcomes destiny and beats everything despite the obstacles. I am pretty sure the letter she wrote talked about publishers not liking DE, wanting it to be more like twilight and hiring ghost writer so they could write in a lot of book SE and trimm down DE.
Book Elena and Book Damon are perfect for each other. Its not some destined "fantasy girly love". It is natural an realistic relationship that formed and grew.
Not that Elena should ever chose. Book Elena is powerful independent and awesome woman. She could have both or neither and she would have every right for that because she defines herself. Book Elena is someone who UNITES brothers, binding her just to one relationship or pairing would be degrading her character.
Tv show elena on other hand should just get decapitated already and get the hell away from the show so I don't have to suffer through her.
They let LJ go because she sold her rights in the beginning and honestly she was making Elena look bad by kissing two guys and being selfish.
How in the hell would making Elena BE independent awesome woman not bound nor defined by relationships(aka how LJ set herup) make her "look bad"?
I for sure would take that elena over the sexist version cardboard of tv show.
Are you serious? This is not Days of our lives. Remember Vicky, Anna, Mayor Lockwood, Jenna, Jules, John, Mason, Isobel, Bonnie's grandma? No? That's because they're all DEAD.
Vicky and Anna reappeared as ghosts.
Jenna John mason and Isobel(did they EVEN GRIEVE for them? Nope) got written out and forgotten by the world
The only death that somewhat counted was Bonnie's grandma's.
Otherwise:
1) If character gets killed he revives through ridiculous plot means like rings.
2) if he does not revive he is turned.
3) If he is not turned or revived he become ghost and returns.
4) if he does neither of those and actually dies then no one ever mentions him again and nothing changes in the show.
Extras die all the way. Anyone named who stayed for longer gets ridiculous amounts of plot armor.
Also congratulations TVD - you just made everything since Ordinary People episode FRIGGIN COMPLETELY POINTLESS again.
Nothing in this show has advanced in terms of plots or characters.
Season three has been TVD aimlessly wandering around with no sense of direction, picking up random out of nowhere plotlines and then dropping them and somehow returning to exactly where it started.
Season of Originals? More like Season of Filler Episodes.
ALso congrats TVD, I can't take Klaus seriously as villain after this even more. I guess this show will go out till the end without ever getting a real complex villain who is VILLAIN and EVIL and not some misguided crybaby.
- The final coffin makes no sense. Oh well not that the twists in this show made sense.
- Elena is annoying. She gets stuffed into every scene making every possible scene as boring and as bland as possible.
- Meredith plotline drags on and is pointless.
- Klaus family story is boring and was pointless.
- Of course Bill did not die, no one dies in this show.
The death will be worth nothing and be forgotten like Jenna's and John's and Isobel's....
OR
Person will return as ghost destroying any impact the death had.
OR
Person won't stay dead.
I used to be excited over "oh ma gawd who will die". Not anymore. Death in TVD is cheap and pointless.
Klaus is....meh. Good actor, but the writing is just not up to par. He does not feel as menacing nor as EVIL as he should be and thanks to first half of Season Three I no longer can take him seriously.
Becky - meh. blonde katherine.
Elijah - had a GREAT entrance in season two. The whole "if you think you can beat me, you can't" thing with hand motions was awesome. Of course he was latter toned down and turned into naive kenny who dies millions of times, but he still is BEST and most menacing original so far.
Whoever is getting thrown off the balcony WILL live. Even if he did not have any rings or magic or all the other plot armor items this show has. Best example: Carol and her extremely ineffective fall that resulted in broken nose.
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The Vampire Diaries Review: A Mother's Nature
Becky now is completely ruined as character, shining the sexism of the show writers upon the world.
Klaus is even bigger wimp.
Elena is even more annoying. Can you care more, miss mary sue? She is the bella swan of tv shows
DES triangle is boring.
really show, really? Damon and Becky? Really show? This is trainwreck.
Julie Plec Teases Tonight's New Vampire Diaries Episode, Elena and Elijah?!?!?
That excuse works...well, never.
If I won't like the show enough I will not watch it. So far I still have Caroline, also known as the last good quality writing in this show. The moment they destroy her character integrity in some way(for example pairing her with murderous psycho like klaus) I will sure stop watching, just like around half a million people did already since mid s1.
Criticism is healthy. If I don't like something I sure as hell see no reason to not articulate my opinion with arguments on why I think so.
Julie Plec Teases Tonight's New Vampire Diaries Episode, Elena and Elijah?!?!?
This show just became full on trainwreck.
Elena is the most annoying and most bland mary sue in the history of television. She is the Bella Swan of tv shows.
Death is a joke in this show. It means nothing. We do not fear on "omg who will die" we fear on "omg who will NOT die" because they have millions of ridiculous ways of bringing everyone back to life.
No one important dies.
And even if they do they revive
If they don't they become ghost.
If they don't they are completely forgotten and their death has no consequences.
Vampire Diaries Interview: Zach Roerig on Playing "Special Teams"
Well, she is. Elena is pretty much textbook definition of mary sue, complete with every male falling in love with her and her actions never having any consequences.
*facepalm* since when stefan ever been a wussy crybaby with no darkpast how can he in the beginning have one and then don't please explain your bullshit
Easy.
In S1, Show did not try to "whitewash" steffie's past. It was something he felt guilty about something "oh ma gawd horrible".
Then they introduced the whole bloodaholism. Then they added the whole ripper stuff, which also excuses of half the stuff he could have caused. And then every and every flashback of his has been relatively tame. And then when we actually GET the "famed ripper" in present, he is pretty much just more depressed steffie who does not even get a chance to be evil.
Thats how you turn a decent character into a wussie.
Vampire Diaries Interview: Zach Roerig on Playing "Special Teams"
Vampire Diaries Interview: Zach Roerig on Playing "Special Teams"
can you guess why?
- Because the supposed lead heroine, Elena is even blander and more boring than Bella Swan.
- Because the execution of love triangle plot is very ham-handed and poorly written.
- Because neither of the trio(Elena, Damon, Stefan) is likeable. Stefan started out as a decent character with dark past, turned into a wussy crybaby with no dark past. Damon started out as multi-layered complex antihero with layers of good and evil. Ended up Edward. Elena never even got a character. The triangle feels forced and pushed into every plotline for no reason. Its just so...fake.
Vampire Diaries Interview: Zach Roerig on Playing "Special Teams"
Oh well, one can hope.
Candice Accola on Klaroline: It's Possible!
For third, yes it still was Angel. Curse does not matter. Angelus IS Angel, just not restrained. Everything Angelus can do, Angel can, with enough reason to do that.
Caroline is NOT Buffy. She is THE OPPOSITE of her in terms of character direction.
Klaus is not Angel/Angelus nor he is Spike.
There's nothing similar tp those pairings and klaus/caroline makes absolutely no sense from writing theory nor from meaningful character development standpoint.
Candice Accola on Klaroline: It's Possible!
Seriously? Seriously? we are going to play THAT CARD? No.
For one, Buffy, while she IS and will forever be my favorite character, is the ANTITHESIS of Caroline.
Caroline is caring innocent a bit naive, but overall good person.
Buffy was one of the darkest and most morally gray characters of buffyverse. She was manipulative, ultimately VERY selfish and egoistic and had a huge superiority complex.
Candice Accola on Klaroline: It's Possible!
The Vampire Diaries Round Table: "Bringing Out the Dead"
"typecasting's a bitch, ain't it?". Thats pretty much all. Never cared about that character, never got a reason to care and it was obvious he will eventually get dead because hey, he is not main character(who never die) and he is an extra(who will always die)
Is Meredith Fell the Mystic Falls Stabber?
Could not care less about Miss Cardboard#2 named Meredith.
Make Elena a sociopath serial killer! Of course that would be way too good of a plot and considering how this show LOVES to rip off BUffy/Angel, Elena would most likely be possessed by someone, ala Cordelia's story in ATS S4.
Does Klaus have a point? Should Damon and Stefan let Elena go?
Yes. FINALLY kill Elena and free viewers from the pain and irritation she causes. Show would be thousand times better from that.
The Vampire Diaries Round Table: "Bringing Out the Dead"
Caroline's scene after her father is found stabbed. While I could not care less for the guy(sorry, extra character, its obvious he will die from day one of his appearance), C.Accola's performance was AWESOME. Its so SAD that she did not get the role of Elena. Maybe Miss Cardboard would not be such a miss cardboard then...
With which brother would you most want to dine: Klaus, Elijah, Stefan or Damon?
Neither. All of them are serial killers and Damon is a serial rapist. While Elijah is most "competent" in terms of being a villain out of them all, I don't care about them at all and pretty much despise steffie&damon&klaus for being bland and wimpy.
The Vampire Diaries Sneak Peek: The Battle for Elena
Yes. however:
1) IT WAS NOT THE FOCUS OF THE SHOW. Every one of those three characters had plotlined that had NOTHING to do with each other. Elena was searching for her Family, Damon was trying to free Katherine, Stefan was trying to deal with his past. It was there but not the main center of everything.
2) It was not as ham-handed as now. NOw everything is litterally is either directly about DES triangle of doom or is a metaphor about it.
3) All three characters were FAR better written back then. Elena was actually bearable and had a tiny speck of character, Damon was not a wussy and had different layers of personality and Stefan was not Edward.
The Vampire Diaries Sneak Peek: The Battle for Elena
Their solution? Increase the amounts of it. Yeah. That surely helps. Now we all can facepalm at elena's blandness and stupidity twice the amount than we usually do. And we can laugh at the patheticness of Damon and Stefan twice the amount than we usually do.
And the irony in the fact that writers swore oaths and boasted on how much different and better this show is than twilight. Looks the same to me - bland boring and irritating character-less mary sue girl and two edwards.
Just kill the whole trio off and give this whole show to Caroline.
The Vampire Diaries Review: Family Matters
Book Elena and Book Damon are perfect for each other. Its not some destined "fantasy girly love". It is natural an realistic relationship that formed and grew.
Not that Elena should ever chose. Book Elena is powerful independent and awesome woman. She could have both or neither and she would have every right for that because she defines herself. Book Elena is someone who UNITES brothers, binding her just to one relationship or pairing would be degrading her character.
Tv show elena on other hand should just get decapitated already and get the hell away from the show so I don't have to suffer through her.
The Vampire Diaries Review: Family Matters
How in the hell would making Elena BE independent awesome woman not bound nor defined by relationships(aka how LJ set herup) make her "look bad"?
I for sure would take that elena over the sexist version cardboard of tv show.
The Vampire Diaries Review: Family Matters
Vicky and Anna reappeared as ghosts.
Jenna John mason and Isobel(did they EVEN GRIEVE for them? Nope) got written out and forgotten by the world
The only death that somewhat counted was Bonnie's grandma's.
Otherwise:
1) If character gets killed he revives through ridiculous plot means like rings.
2) if he does not revive he is turned.
3) If he is not turned or revived he become ghost and returns.
4) if he does neither of those and actually dies then no one ever mentions him again and nothing changes in the show.
Extras die all the way. Anyone named who stayed for longer gets ridiculous amounts of plot armor.
The Vampire Diaries Review: Family Matters
Nothing in this show has advanced in terms of plots or characters.
Season three has been TVD aimlessly wandering around with no sense of direction, picking up random out of nowhere plotlines and then dropping them and somehow returning to exactly where it started.
Season of Originals? More like Season of Filler Episodes.
The Vampire Diaries Review: Family Matters
The Vampire Diaries Review: Family Matters
- Elena is annoying. She gets stuffed into every scene making every possible scene as boring and as bland as possible.
- Meredith plotline drags on and is pointless.
- Klaus family story is boring and was pointless.
- Of course Bill did not die, no one dies in this show.
The GOOD:
- Caroline scenes.
Overall yet another empty pointless episode.
The Next Death on The Vampire Diaries Will Be...
The death will be worth nothing and be forgotten like Jenna's and John's and Isobel's....
OR
Person will return as ghost destroying any impact the death had.
OR
Person won't stay dead.
I used to be excited over "oh ma gawd who will die". Not anymore. Death in TVD is cheap and pointless.
The Vampire Diaries Round Table: Who is Your Favorite Original?
Klaus is....meh. Good actor, but the writing is just not up to par. He does not feel as menacing nor as EVIL as he should be and thanks to first half of Season Three I no longer can take him seriously.
Becky - meh. blonde katherine.
Elijah - had a GREAT entrance in season two. The whole "if you think you can beat me, you can't" thing with hand motions was awesome. Of course he was latter toned down and turned into naive kenny who dies millions of times, but he still is BEST and most menacing original so far.
Game of Thrones Season 2 Trailer: Casting Shadows
Melissandre looks perfect.
Everyone looks as badass as ever.
The only bad side its that the way is still so long.
The Vampire Diaries Spoiler Pic: A Salvatore Shove
Considering ELijah is TVD's own resident Kenny and considering the "quality" of writing lately, that would....not surprise me, actually...
The Vampire Diaries Spoiler Pic: A Salvatore Shove
Whoever is getting thrown off the balcony WILL live. Even if he did not have any rings or magic or all the other plot armor items this show has. Best example: Carol and her extremely ineffective fall that resulted in broken nose.