They have been saying NO to their feelings for this entire season
Sure.
One episode elena is swooning and depressed over steffie, being mos ridiculously stupid by holding out to her stockholm syndrome pairing and next episode she just lets him go and kisses his brother. Real good job with characterizing her...not. . That is just too high school for my taste buds.
and Damon Elena is not? Let's face it. Damon/Elena makes Chuck/Blair look healthy.
Both DE and SE right now are bassically TV versions of Bella/Edward. And thats yuck. Real love happens over time and has ups and downs.
"Real love" is a chemical reaction in our brains that leads to sexual intercourse.
I am seeing some things about Damon and Elena being a "forced" relationship. I feel like people who dislike them are just using any negative word they can find to prove a point. "Forced" does not even work.
Yes because hooking up a does-no-wrong-second-coming-of-jesus mary sue who cares with a serial killer and rapist who banged her mother and her identical ancestor, raped and abused one of her best friends and tried to bite the chunk out of another few times, forced blood down her throat, killed jeremy in front of her eyes, raped and abused that jenna's friend is obviously not forced. They have been slowly building sexual tension since day 1.
First season? sure. Afterward the show has been runing on the actor chemistry alone, with every scene they are in being unfitting and awful.
Hopefully this actually gives chance for Bonnie to SHINE as person and NOT as love interest or plot device.
Also, why the hell is Elena here? Can't writers just keep her out of some stories or are they going to just throw her everywhere even if she does not fit into it?
As for Matt/Elena scene? Its another case of telling not showing. "Elena used to be fun" "Elena is so caring" "elena struggles so much".
Where's the actual struggle that defines her character?
How about showing? She is the main character and supposed protagonist. She is supposed to be audience's anchor to the show. The character whose journey it is about. The MAIN character. How about starting to treat her as one, even if its 3 seasons too late?
At this point Caroline has more character struggle and is more like main character of the show than Elena is. This episode pretty much highlighted that.
In fact for quite some time people who have never seen this show just assume "the blonde one" is the lead and get very shocked when they are told that the "brown haired one is". Why? Because Caroline is just so much more interesting, developed, flawed and human character than Elena. Elena literally has no development as character.
The thing is that No one really CONFRONTED her about it.
It was as always: "that is bad...oh well you know better we will go on with it".
The same happened when Elena went on her VERY stupid trip to search for steffie - Alaric and damon confronted her for two seconds and then continued being loyal dogs for no reason at all.
its not exactly realistic reaction. Elena is literally taking away a free will of a person and interrupting Bonnie's and others connection to him. Bonnie says she does not like it and that's it?
Its the major problem with the character of Elena Gilbert(well, the small bits of character she has that is). There's no actual conflict for her. Its as if universe just aligns itself every time for everyone to go on with her way. I guess I just expected this show to be more realistic and coherent in t his situation.
I just love how fangirls assume that everyone who does not like the forced DE scenes loves SE. Both relationships are forced, messed up and bland.
And yes, both love triangle sides are usually explored in shows, but IN THE WAY THAT IT MAKES SENSE. TVD just threw them together without any build up and now they are trying to pull off same shit with caroline/klaus.
And now I am more and more begining to think that Patrick Jane is Red John. Maybe a split personality thing or something, but there were way too many parallels in t his episode to the sw killer episode.
- Klaus suddenly interested in Caroline? WHAT? Well klaus is already pussified into not being a villain and instead is a giant woobie, but this is outrageous. The moment that actually happens I drop this show. Its Caroline's character assassination.
- Plec trying to make SE equally as disgusting as DE.
- Elena still BORING USELESS CARDBOARD that does not react.
- NO one calling Elena out on her stupidity of taking away jeremy's free will.
Whole episode of nothing. Oh well, thats TVD standard of this season.
For starters, Emily/R!Amanda is BADASS. Burning down the houses and walking like a badass. Now I am pretty sure the lawyer works for her. ITs far too coincidental.
So Charlotte is Emily's half-sister. Interesting. I wonder what will Emily do now, knowing the truth.
Wait a minute, didnt Jenna (RIP) mentioned she was the only family left to care for Elena and Jeremy, where was this Samantha when theyre parents die?
and elijah said that klaus was oldest vampire in history, that sun can't hurt originals and that originals are from eastern europe.
This show loves retconing stuff on ridiculous scale :)
ANd while show might try to sell her as caring and awesome. She is not that and yet show whitewashes it. She is mary sue. Show thinks she is best caring thing ever, even though LOGICALLY she is not and should not be. Hence bizzare nonsensical morality of this show.
Everything else about her causing those deaths, Vampbarbie explained better than I would ever bother.
Elena IS responsible for those deaths.
Elena:
GOT KILLED.
Found out she has an identical doppelganger who is evil and is potentially ruining her life.
Found out she is some magical existence existing for one purpose only.
Lost aunt and father.
Had her mother incinerate herself in front of her.
Lost her foster parents.
Got kidnapped multiple times.
Kissed her boyfriends brother.
Thats just in S2, not accounting for stuff she did not react to in S1.
I am sorry, but Elena and independent is the worst possible combination and also something that will never happen. Yes she is so independent that instead of GRIEVING for people she lost or BUILDING ANY SORT OF LIFE, she spent 3 seasons chasing after two brothers.
It does not matter on if she is the one to be sacrificed. Realistically speaking and the way she was, she was 17 year old lunatic sociopath who shows no emotions for the deaths of others, has no respect for her own life and tried to get herself dead few days before the whole thing, haven't visited school even once except for dances, has no plans for future of her life.
If she had a trackrecord of HAVING good plans or if she had presence and charm to be the leader, it would be oh well, but she did not. Neither of those things.
What possible choice do U have when Ur facing an immortal being? what can she do!? Run like Katarina did!? The 6-7 of them are so not detectable and easy to hide!? ? ?
how about actually taking time to plan out? Agreeing to sacriffice bonnie if it means saving the town? HOw about NOT BEING THE ONE WHO PLANS IT ALL? The cast has at least a few hundred year old vampires and she had one thousand year old vamp on her side by that time. And they all let a 17 year old not-so-bright mary sue plan it all out? NOT realistic.
The JENNA mourning period was skipped, and that is bad!
Yes, because we mourn only for a month or two when we loose people who took care of us for years as well as the last parts of our family. And also we get over BEING killed, having kissed boyfriend's brother and having your boyfriend run off with the villain very fast. [/sarcasm] Elena isn't the Caroline type, she doesn't cry a day and than reacts she reacts at the moment!
Caroline type as in coherent and meaningful character with actual meaningful growth? Sure. Elena is nothing like that. Elena does not react. She is just there to be a fanservice object, embodiment of sexism so fangirls could picture themselves in her place.
At the begging she was so shown that way! Like a girl who no one could understand, cause the things happened to her! And she found in Stefan someone who so behind that all!
hence the concept. Afterward she did not move even a bit in terms of character. She still remains a caring holy mary sue who cares for everyone. But She wasn't guilty of any of these deaths!
yes she was. Jenna, John's, Jules deaths were a DIRECT result of her plan. She could have sacrificed bonnie and saved them all, prevented Damon from getting were-bitten, steffie from having to make a deal and klaus from being fracking immortal.
Instead she relied on INCREDIBLY faulty plan of hers on which NO ONE who should, called out on and instead went along with it. And then it all blew up.
And as for bonnie, yeah she's not the best actress and yes she kinda is a plot device, but so what? The writers make her a "good plot" plot device. ;)
There's no such thing as good plot device. Plot device is a plot device. A shortcomming of writing is how it is handled. Wow, since when are there so many elena haters?
New here, aren't you? entire coherent fanbase here hates her :)
Now I understand if some fangirls "like" her because of her blank slate character, so they can psychologically INSERT themselves instead of her into the love triangle, but claiming elena has a character is well...naive and baseless.
Elena isn't normal, she lost the people whom she thhought where her parents! She is damaged and Damaged people do damaged things and feel close to the same !
show does not portray that. Show has no character exposition nor development for Elena, which is exactly the biggest problem. She remains brooding, caring mary sue who converses with animals and wishes for world peace. He character is not even two dimensional. Its worse. There's no character. but for me here dominate the really good parts with true emotions!
show fails hard in atmospheric build up and climax. Show fails hard in romance angst. show fails hard in accurately portraying the impact decisions and events should have. Hell, even DEATH has no impact in this show.
Its a popcorn flick. On ewatches it as background. and even for that its getting way too bad.
Do U really think Elena didn't got challenged through this 2-3 seasons! With excepting her vampire boyfriend, vampire DG, her live DG destiny, her ripper boyfriend!
thats plot devices. not challenges or character reactions.
Did she react properly to the DEATHS she caused? NO.
Did she react properly to Klaus? NO.
Did she react properly to getting constantly kidnapped or hurt? NO.
The only reactions she is allowed to have is caring and reacting to steffie it seems, which yes, makes her mary sue. She always looked up, never stepping always tring to keep her friends and familly save!
and she did horrible job at that and made mistakes which show never accepted and still portrayed her as "perfect" , nor she had a consistent goal leading to meaningful character growth. She is empty bland mary-sue type character defined by two or three words. Not a character. Concept.
y comment was in the contest of U saying no on would speak with Elena etc if this was realistic. It'
She got her family killed, she constantly makes stupidest possible plans and stupidest possible choices(why those old vampires let 17 year old girl plan anything is beyond me too). She also is hanging around being in love with two serial killers, one of which is a serial rapist oh and her very existance in town puts the town in jeopardy, not to mention her journey searching for steffie which put everyone in jeopardy. If this was coherent show, consistent show, characters WOULD react to her flaws and bad decisions and show would acknowledge them. Hence no one would talk to her. EVER.
Real life!? It's an alternate universum!
No, not real life. Writing consistency and coherence. :) As I said, If I wanted fallacious, unrealistic, bizzare setting I would watch a david lynch movie or read some fairy tales.
When its done as stylistic choice, surrealism is very good. However in this case its purely unintentional and part of this show's huge flaws. We can all say we would do things our way, but this are situations that no one ever went through!
yet they all are humans with human reactions. It does not matter on if its thousand year old vampire in town or a 20 year old serial killer. Its writers job to make characters react. Characters reacting, being defined and developing through problems is THE PURPOSE of every storytelling. Everything else is just an empty useless tool to portray it. :) So of course the part of real actions on this show is on a pretty good level !
No its not.
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Sure.
One episode elena is swooning and depressed over steffie, being mos ridiculously stupid by holding out to her stockholm syndrome pairing and next episode she just lets him go and kisses his brother. Real good job with characterizing her...not.
. That is just too high school for my taste buds.
and Damon Elena is not? Let's face it. Damon/Elena makes Chuck/Blair look healthy.
Both DE and SE right now are bassically TV versions of Bella/Edward. And thats yuck.
Real love happens over time and has ups and downs.
"Real love" is a chemical reaction in our brains that leads to sexual intercourse.
The Vampire Diaries Review: Here Lies a Great Episode...
Yes because hooking up a does-no-wrong-second-coming-of-jesus mary sue who cares with a serial killer and rapist who banged her mother and her identical ancestor, raped and abused one of her best friends and tried to bite the chunk out of another few times, forced blood down her throat, killed jeremy in front of her eyes, raped and abused that jenna's friend is obviously not forced.
They have been slowly building sexual tension since day 1.
First season? sure. Afterward the show has been runing on the actor chemistry alone, with every scene they are in being unfitting and awful.
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Also, why the hell is Elena here? Can't writers just keep her out of some stories or are they going to just throw her everywhere even if she does not fit into it?
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Where's the actual struggle that defines her character?
How about showing? She is the main character and supposed protagonist. She is supposed to be audience's anchor to the show. The character whose journey it is about. The MAIN character. How about starting to treat her as one, even if its 3 seasons too late?
At this point Caroline has more character struggle and is more like main character of the show than Elena is. This episode pretty much highlighted that.
In fact for quite some time people who have never seen this show just assume "the blonde one" is the lead and get very shocked when they are told that the "brown haired one is". Why? Because Caroline is just so much more interesting, developed, flawed and human character than Elena. Elena literally has no development as character.
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It was as always: "that is bad...oh well you know better we will go on with it".
The same happened when Elena went on her VERY stupid trip to search for steffie - Alaric and damon confronted her for two seconds and then continued being loyal dogs for no reason at all.
its not exactly realistic reaction. Elena is literally taking away a free will of a person and interrupting Bonnie's and others connection to him. Bonnie says she does not like it and that's it?
Its the major problem with the character of Elena Gilbert(well, the small bits of character she has that is). There's no actual conflict for her. Its as if universe just aligns itself every time for everyone to go on with her way. I guess I just expected this show to be more realistic and coherent in t his situation.
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And yes, both love triangle sides are usually explored in shows, but IN THE WAY THAT IT MAKES SENSE. TVD just threw them together without any build up and now they are trying to pull off same shit with caroline/klaus.
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- Klaus suddenly interested in Caroline? WHAT? Well klaus is already pussified into not being a villain and instead is a giant woobie, but this is outrageous. The moment that actually happens I drop this show. Its Caroline's character assassination.
- Plec trying to make SE equally as disgusting as DE.
- Elena still BORING USELESS CARDBOARD that does not react.
- NO one calling Elena out on her stupidity of taking away jeremy's free will.
Whole episode of nothing. Oh well, thats TVD standard of this season.
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For starters, Emily/R!Amanda is BADASS. Burning down the houses and walking like a badass. Now I am pretty sure the lawyer works for her. ITs far too coincidental.
So Charlotte is Emily's half-sister. Interesting. I wonder what will Emily do now, knowing the truth.
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and elijah said that klaus was oldest vampire in history, that sun can't hurt originals and that originals are from eastern europe.
This show loves retconing stuff on ridiculous scale :)
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Elena IS responsible for those deaths.
Elena:
GOT KILLED.
Found out she has an identical doppelganger who is evil and is potentially ruining her life.
Found out she is some magical existence existing for one purpose only.
Lost aunt and father.
Had her mother incinerate herself in front of her.
Lost her foster parents.
Got kidnapped multiple times.
Kissed her boyfriends brother.
Thats just in S2, not accounting for stuff she did not react to in S1.
Any Reaction? Any Development? Any Growth? NO.
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It does not matter on if she is the one to be sacrificed. Realistically speaking and the way she was, she was 17 year old lunatic sociopath who shows no emotions for the deaths of others, has no respect for her own life and tried to get herself dead few days before the whole thing, haven't visited school even once except for dances, has no plans for future of her life.
If she had a trackrecord of HAVING good plans or if she had presence and charm to be the leader, it would be oh well, but she did not. Neither of those things.
The Vampire Diaries Clip: Breaking It to Bonnie
how about actually taking time to plan out? Agreeing to sacriffice bonnie if it means saving the town? HOw about NOT BEING THE ONE WHO PLANS IT ALL? The cast has at least a few hundred year old vampires and she had one thousand year old vamp on her side by that time. And they all let a 17 year old not-so-bright mary sue plan it all out? NOT realistic.
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Yes, because we mourn only for a month or two when we loose people who took care of us for years as well as the last parts of our family. And also we get over BEING killed, having kissed boyfriend's brother and having your boyfriend run off with the villain very fast. [/sarcasm]
Elena isn't the Caroline type, she doesn't cry a day and than reacts she reacts at the moment!
Caroline type as in coherent and meaningful character with actual meaningful growth? Sure. Elena is nothing like that. Elena does not react. She is just there to be a fanservice object, embodiment of sexism so fangirls could picture themselves in her place.
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hence the concept. Afterward she did not move even a bit in terms of character. She still remains a caring holy mary sue who cares for everyone.
But She wasn't guilty of any of these deaths!
yes she was. Jenna, John's, Jules deaths were a DIRECT result of her plan. She could have sacrificed bonnie and saved them all, prevented Damon from getting were-bitten, steffie from having to make a deal and klaus from being fracking immortal.
Instead she relied on INCREDIBLY faulty plan of hers on which NO ONE who should, called out on and instead went along with it. And then it all blew up.
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Also obligatory road trip to plot device :[
For this show's sake i hope this better have 99% Caroline and 1% everything else :[
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There's no such thing as good plot device. Plot device is a plot device. A shortcomming of writing is how it is handled.
Wow, since when are there so many elena haters?
New here, aren't you? entire coherent fanbase here hates her :)
Now I understand if some fangirls "like" her because of her blank slate character, so they can psychologically INSERT themselves instead of her into the love triangle, but claiming elena has a character is well...naive and baseless.
The Vampire Diaries Clip: Breaking It to Bonnie
show does not portray that. Show has no character exposition nor development for Elena, which is exactly the biggest problem. She remains brooding, caring mary sue who converses with animals and wishes for world peace. He character is not even two dimensional. Its worse. There's no character.
but for me here dominate the really good parts with true emotions!
show fails hard in atmospheric build up and climax. Show fails hard in romance angst. show fails hard in accurately portraying the impact decisions and events should have. Hell, even DEATH has no impact in this show.
Its a popcorn flick. On ewatches it as background. and even for that its getting way too bad.
The Vampire Diaries Clip: Breaking It to Bonnie
thats plot devices. not challenges or character reactions.
Did she react properly to the DEATHS she caused? NO.
Did she react properly to Klaus? NO.
Did she react properly to getting constantly kidnapped or hurt? NO.
The only reactions she is allowed to have is caring and reacting to steffie it seems, which yes, makes her mary sue.
She always looked up, never stepping always tring to keep her friends and familly save!
and she did horrible job at that and made mistakes which show never accepted and still portrayed her as "perfect" , nor she had a consistent goal leading to meaningful character growth. She is empty bland mary-sue type character defined by two or three words. Not a character. Concept.
The Vampire Diaries Clip: Breaking It to Bonnie
She got her family killed, she constantly makes stupidest possible plans and stupidest possible choices(why those old vampires let 17 year old girl plan anything is beyond me too). She also is hanging around being in love with two serial killers, one of which is a serial rapist oh and her very existance in town puts the town in jeopardy, not to mention her journey searching for steffie which put everyone in jeopardy. If this was coherent show, consistent show, characters WOULD react to her flaws and bad decisions and show would acknowledge them. Hence no one would talk to her. EVER.
The Vampire Diaries Clip: Breaking It to Bonnie
No, not real life. Writing consistency and coherence. :) As I said, If I wanted fallacious, unrealistic, bizzare setting I would watch a david lynch movie or read some fairy tales.
When its done as stylistic choice, surrealism is very good. However in this case its purely unintentional and part of this show's huge flaws.
We can all say we would do things our way, but this are situations that no one ever went through!
yet they all are humans with human reactions. It does not matter on if its thousand year old vampire in town or a 20 year old serial killer. Its writers job to make characters react. Characters reacting, being defined and developing through problems is THE PURPOSE of every storytelling. Everything else is just an empty useless tool to portray it. :)
So of course the part of real actions on this show is on a pretty good level !
No its not.