This show is based on the Eternal love between Elena, Damon and Stefan!
And show fails at that hard.
For one, both male leads are VERY unlikeable due to shit they did. THen there's facts like Damon being a serial rapist or Steffie being serial killer being completley and utterly whitewashed, which does not go well along Elena's "converses with animals and cares for entire world" mary sue character definition she is in. NORMAL person would NOT want anything to do with those to, let alone mary sue perfection jesus reincarnation like Elena.
Main triangle is FORCED. This is a pretty solid show, and the cast is doing a great job, constructive critic is oK but no trash talk please!
And thats exactly what I have been doing. Constructive Criticism. Funny also becaus eits your post that sounds like trash talk now. Arguments where for show being "solid"?
@BoredNow U are mentioning real life in a supernatural show
Just because show is supernatural, it doe snot automatically mean it should loose all common sense, logic, reason or realism. IF I wanted UNREALISTIC supernatural show I would be reading fairy tales. If this was real, Klaus would kill Damon,Stefan,Jeremy,Mat,Caroline and Bonnie, compel Elena not to harm herself and keep her prisoner for all time!
Yes, as I posted earlier, character stupidity(like why klaus did not do just that) is one of the worst parts of this show. Every show has to tolerate their heroine/hero!
This is where you are dead wrong. EVERY story is built up around the protagonist or main character getting CHALLENGED and using how he/she reacts to a challenge to DEFINE the character and whether his direction of consistent character growth changes or remains steady.
Unchallenged CHaracters are usually mary sues. Elena is a mary sue.
Bonnie will react! This scene indicates that something will happen that Bonnie will go over ELenas head!
or she won't. Just like no one ever reacted to the shit elena pulled.
If this show was REALISTIC in any bit of sense, NO ONE would want ANYTHING to do with her by now.
@ShadowWalker
Oh you mean for "Graham's character" who blows up at people, decides not to destroy dangerous devices, ocassionally sets monsters on fire because she does NOT like them and is entirely based upon impulsive judgy reactions.
Of course, since its elena gilbert, elena gilbert will never be called out on her bullshit. Because she is so perfect and caring that everyone agreed with her most stupid ideas...
Agreed.
Bonnie's reaction should have been actually fitting. In this case fitting is slapping Elena in the face and going "no way in hell I would allow you to decide for him" or something.
But of course, this is Elena Gilbertg. EVERYONE agreed with her even if they should not damnit...
Where the heck was Caroline Forbes?!?
Sadly not in the episode. Thus making the whole episode VERY boring. Should Elena have handed Rebekah over to Klaus?
Just one of many stupid ideas of elena gilbert. The Delena kiss: Ohhhh, yeah!!! or Ohhhh, no!!! ?
A big eww and vomiting. IT was forced. It was unfitting considering what happened. It goes against whatever miniscule little tiny speckle of character set up elena had. It makes Damon be a dick. Everything about it screams fanservice and nothing coherence.
What was your favorite scene from the episode?
Stefan: Shut up elena.
Now I can't stand both salvatore bros obviously, as well as Elena but I cheered at that. Someone needs to tell Miss Cardboard off more often instead of agreeing with her stupidity. Was Elena right to have Damon compel Jeremy?
Frankly The whole plot felt like a cheap way to get rid of character you don't know how to write without actually killing him(since people don't die on tvd). making ELENA make that decision puts her as the idol of caring mary sues even more and people already puke at that.
@Layla
Yes. Seeing Red is exactly why btvs was superior to this show. it did NOT whitewash Spike's actions. Nothing was whitewashed. It impacted HUGELY both his character, everything and pretty much entire story. It was never "Forgotten". THAT is the correct way to handle stuff like that.
TVD fails at every point in that aspect :)
As for Caroline, sure she was willing the first time. AFtger he bit her? She would most likely not have been. Thus yes its rape. Andie case is also rape, making Damon serial rapist and show has yet to call out on that and recognize that :)
@SickofBored
that's called criticism :) learn of it. As far as I know democracy also includes certain level of freedom of speech :)
And thank you for bringing up actual badass vampires. You see the difference is that that show recognized Spike and angel's mess ups and what they did and it all had consequences, actual long term consequences. People reacted and called out them on what they did.
While TVD constantly whitewashes the actions of the brothers and they never get called out on the shit they pulled :)
You mean to say its normal for Elena to be attracted or be in relationship with any of those two brothers? Especially since one raped and abused caroline and fucked her mother and other is well..edward.
Not to mention Elena is no Buffy. Buffy had a fitting character and personality to be attracted to those men. Elena's mary-sue template writing directly contradicts both pairings :)
Why is everyone getting cranky cause Elena and Damon kissed? They had a thing in the books, so I mean it was bound to happen. It definitely isn't a reason to quit watching the show -.-
I still ship Book DELENA. :)
You know why? BECAUSE ELENA IN THE BOOKS IS AN ACTUAL CHARACTER WITH PERSONALITY INSTEAD OF A LAMP POST AND DAMON IS NOT an abusive serial crybaby rapist. :)
Show DE is just...wrong on so many levels and show refuses to admit that.
1) Elena is still irritating lame carebear and no one calls her out on that.
2) No one died.
3) Steffie is still lame.
4) Damon is still lame.
5) klaus got pussified into a wimp.
6) yucky DE stuff and yucky SE stuff continues.
7) forced de scenes continue.
8) entire episode that acomplishes nothing.
9) the show shits up my favorite book character Meredith into quirky lame doctor played by worst actress on entire pretty little liars cast.
Loved this episode. Pretty much everything perfect and Emily continues to be the best manipulator and chessmaster in the show's world.
Still thinking that the puny little lawyer somehow ended up working for her or something.
Also while I do agree that Victoria IS the main target of Emily, I do think that the show made it extremely clear that Victoria is not exactly that "evil", just flawed weak human who made series of seriously bad choices and is still governed by them. Conrad IS the real bad behind it all, the driving force behind David Clarke event.
I do feel somewhat sorry for Victoria. She is a woman who made some stupid choices herself and was forced to make some even stupider by others. She has been living in that "fake" happiness with a taste of guilt in her mouth ever since then and now she is starting to get a payback on what she did and while she is standing tall and moving forward, she is ALSO someone who is getting completely devastated emotionally.
Yes Elena cared so much that next morning they all went to see the movie and she continued her annoying love triangle stuff.
She in fact cared so much about deaths of John, Jules, Jenna and Isobel THAT SHE CAUSED, that she spent entire month sulking over steffie and now the best reason she can say about "why she would hate klaus" is what he did to her poor steffie.
She cared so much about Jeremy getting necksnapped by Damon too. And about being cosnstantly kidnapped. And I see she still cares about Damon having raped and abused Caroline so much.
She is such a caring person with such a big personality.
^for more naive people I'd like to point oit that that's sarcasm
And it is IN everyone's character to let it go? Yes that is very realistic indeed.
The problem is not just "Damon not repenting" the problem is THE SHOW writing it as if he has nothing to repent for. Same with Stefan who went from "someone repentant for something he did" of S1 to "someone who did nothing bad and cares a lot and broods for no reason".
Damon is a serial rapist and has tendencies of domestic abuse and women mistreatment. Show refuses to acknowledge that and whitewashes it. THATS the problem. Same with Steffie. Thus making both focal points of this show - the triangle of doom, utterly yuck worthy. :)
1. Elena still be boring. Meh. Are we supposed to believe that while she HAD NO REACTION AT ALL to well, everything that happened IN LAST THREE SEASONS to her, she will suddenly react because Steffie is mean? Thats not character development. Can we just get rid of her and focus on Caroline as main character? PLEAAAASE.
2. Steffie's emo rage. Meh. Does NOT undoo his Edwardian persona of last season and half, nor the fact that his angst is always baseless. I hope he gets to punch Elena around a bit, that would be enjoyable.
3. Klaus being a poor puppy. What happened to Klaus being the diabolical mastermind built up, etc, etc, etc? Now he just wants family, maybe a house and a car and a job? Villains - You are Doing it Wrong, plec.
4. DE and SE scenes. EWWW.
5. Not enough caroline. Meh.
@VD
Yes I am sure they did not have sex, never again, for sure. He would just come over, drink her and watch her dress up in various clothes....suure. I don't knwo in what church you grew up, but yet again, reality check.
Also: bathtub.
Also damon caring for andie? apart from being able to say that it was one of biggest and most forced retcons of the show, IT STILL does not excuse what he did and that no one reacts to it. Rape is not undone just because rapist suddenly started to care for whatever reason.
Also why continue watching? for same reason people like vampbarbie continue to watch. For Caroline, also known as defacto main character of the show :)
And I am sorry, but wanting to get into pants of most boring girl in the world and being hurt, etc does NOT UNDO the consequences HE SHOULD get over what he already did and IS STILL DOING.
I think it IS the opposite - fanbase allows characters like damon or chuck bass way too much. Like it or not, the show is set in somewhat real world and SHOULD follow the common sense of real world.
So what you are saying is if the real world had freaking dwarves, it would be okay for those dwarves to be homicidal serial rapists and abusive husbands and law and morals of human society should NOT touch upon their acts of that? Reality Check.
Damon does NOT make the show. He did in s1,when he was a complex multi-layered character and not a caricature of himself. By now, I am pretty sure for majority of people here on this site, its CAROLINE who makes the show. Why? Because Caroline IS the only complex multi-layered flawed relatable character on the show. THE ONLY character to have depth.
Damon NOT being human does NOT excuse supposed main heroine BEING human. By the very fact that Elena is human and was built up as freaking holy mary sue of caring. SHe SHOULD care about that. If she was built up as uncaring bastard or not-human, it would make sense, however the fact that NO ONE else reacts still would not. A big part of the cast ARE humans with HUMAN rules. The fact that cast sees no wrong on what Damon is doing is just as bad as Damon seeing no wrong with what he is doing and show still providing his interactions with others as possible.
Some comments on here really show the immaturity of part of TVD fanbase. All that is lacking is some girl/boy saying that "caroline deserved it".
God, children nowadays. Quite warped sense of reality. Let me make it clear and short:
Damon raped Caroline for weeks. FORCEd to have sex after she would not normally out of her own free will. Just because it was magicky eye stare hypnosis stuff, does NOT absolve it from being rape. Its same as drugging the girl and its no better. He abused her too violently.
Damon raped jenna's friend for weeks. same story as Caroline. TWO long-term cases within half-a-year I do believe make him a serial rapist and as long as show does not ACCEPT that and accurately portray that...there's something really wrong with the show too.
I have to laught at the comments who try to JUSTIFY Damon's actions.
Now you might like character and his actions. Thats okay.There are a lot of masochists in the world.
But no one can deny that what Damon did was to rape and abuse both Caroline and Jenna's friend for weeks for pure fun. Show ignores it, but it does not change the fact that it happened.
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The Vampire Diaries Clip: Breaking It to Bonnie
And show fails at that hard.
For one, both male leads are VERY unlikeable due to shit they did. THen there's facts like Damon being a serial rapist or Steffie being serial killer being completley and utterly whitewashed, which does not go well along Elena's "converses with animals and cares for entire world" mary sue character definition she is in. NORMAL person would NOT want anything to do with those to, let alone mary sue perfection jesus reincarnation like Elena.
Main triangle is FORCED.
This is a pretty solid show, and the cast is doing a great job, constructive critic is oK but no trash talk please!
And thats exactly what I have been doing. Constructive Criticism. Funny also becaus eits your post that sounds like trash talk now. Arguments where for show being "solid"?
The Vampire Diaries Clip: Breaking It to Bonnie
Just because show is supernatural, it doe snot automatically mean it should loose all common sense, logic, reason or realism. IF I wanted UNREALISTIC supernatural show I would be reading fairy tales.
If this was real, Klaus would kill Damon,Stefan,Jeremy,Mat,Caroline and Bonnie, compel Elena not to harm herself and keep her prisoner for all time!
Yes, as I posted earlier, character stupidity(like why klaus did not do just that) is one of the worst parts of this show.
Every show has to tolerate their heroine/hero!
This is where you are dead wrong. EVERY story is built up around the protagonist or main character getting CHALLENGED and using how he/she reacts to a challenge to DEFINE the character and whether his direction of consistent character growth changes or remains steady.
Unchallenged CHaracters are usually mary sues. Elena is a mary sue.
The Vampire Diaries Clip: Breaking It to Bonnie
or she won't. Just like no one ever reacted to the shit elena pulled.
If this show was REALISTIC in any bit of sense, NO ONE would want ANYTHING to do with her by now.
The Vampire Diaries Clip: Breaking It to Bonnie
Oh you mean for "Graham's character" who blows up at people, decides not to destroy dangerous devices, ocassionally sets monsters on fire because she does NOT like them and is entirely based upon impulsive judgy reactions.
Of course, since its elena gilbert, elena gilbert will never be called out on her bullshit. Because she is so perfect and caring that everyone agreed with her most stupid ideas...
The Vampire Diaries Clip: Breaking It to Bonnie
Agreed.
Bonnie's reaction should have been actually fitting. In this case fitting is slapping Elena in the face and going "no way in hell I would allow you to decide for him" or something.
But of course, this is Elena Gilbertg. EVERYONE agreed with her even if they should not damnit...
The Vampire Diaries Clip: Breaking It to Bonnie
Any hope for any sort of coherent meaningful character growth in this show is lost.
The Vampire Diaries Round Table: "The New Deal"
Because of Caroline, obviously :)
The Vampire Diaries Round Table: "The New Deal"
Sadly not in the episode. Thus making the whole episode VERY boring.
Should Elena have handed Rebekah over to Klaus?
Just one of many stupid ideas of elena gilbert.
The Delena kiss: Ohhhh, yeah!!! or Ohhhh, no!!! ?
A big eww and vomiting. IT was forced. It was unfitting considering what happened. It goes against whatever miniscule little tiny speckle of character set up elena had. It makes Damon be a dick. Everything about it screams fanservice and nothing coherence.
The Vampire Diaries Round Table: "The New Deal"
Stefan: Shut up elena.
Now I can't stand both salvatore bros obviously, as well as Elena but I cheered at that. Someone needs to tell Miss Cardboard off more often instead of agreeing with her stupidity.
Was Elena right to have Damon compel Jeremy?
Frankly The whole plot felt like a cheap way to get rid of character you don't know how to write without actually killing him(since people don't die on tvd). making ELENA make that decision puts her as the idol of caring mary sues even more and people already puke at that.
The Vampire Diaries Episode Preview: To Beat a Villain...
hell, from now on this show for me is only caroline scenes :3
The Vampire Diaries Review: A Guilty Pleasure
Yes. Seeing Red is exactly why btvs was superior to this show. it did NOT whitewash Spike's actions. Nothing was whitewashed. It impacted HUGELY both his character, everything and pretty much entire story. It was never "Forgotten". THAT is the correct way to handle stuff like that.
TVD fails at every point in that aspect :)
As for Caroline, sure she was willing the first time. AFtger he bit her? She would most likely not have been. Thus yes its rape. Andie case is also rape, making Damon serial rapist and show has yet to call out on that and recognize that :)
The Vampire Diaries Review: A Guilty Pleasure
that's called criticism :) learn of it. As far as I know democracy also includes certain level of freedom of speech :)
And thank you for bringing up actual badass vampires. You see the difference is that that show recognized Spike and angel's mess ups and what they did and it all had consequences, actual long term consequences. People reacted and called out them on what they did.
While TVD constantly whitewashes the actions of the brothers and they never get called out on the shit they pulled :)
You mean to say its normal for Elena to be attracted or be in relationship with any of those two brothers? Especially since one raped and abused caroline and fucked her mother and other is well..edward.
Not to mention Elena is no Buffy. Buffy had a fitting character and personality to be attracted to those men. Elena's mary-sue template writing directly contradicts both pairings :)
The Vampire Diaries Review: A Guilty Pleasure
I still ship Book DELENA. :)
You know why? BECAUSE ELENA IN THE BOOKS IS AN ACTUAL CHARACTER WITH PERSONALITY INSTEAD OF A LAMP POST AND DAMON IS NOT an abusive serial crybaby rapist. :)
Show DE is just...wrong on so many levels and show refuses to admit that.
The Vampire Diaries Review: A Guilty Pleasure
1) Elena is still irritating lame carebear and no one calls her out on that.
2) No one died.
3) Steffie is still lame.
4) Damon is still lame.
5) klaus got pussified into a wimp.
6) yucky DE stuff and yucky SE stuff continues.
7) forced de scenes continue.
8) entire episode that acomplishes nothing.
9) the show shits up my favorite book character Meredith into quirky lame doctor played by worst actress on entire pretty little liars cast.
This proudly deserves 1/5.
Revenge Review: Crashing the Clambake
Still thinking that the puny little lawyer somehow ended up working for her or something.
Also while I do agree that Victoria IS the main target of Emily, I do think that the show made it extremely clear that Victoria is not exactly that "evil", just flawed weak human who made series of seriously bad choices and is still governed by them. Conrad IS the real bad behind it all, the driving force behind David Clarke event.
I do feel somewhat sorry for Victoria. She is a woman who made some stupid choices herself and was forced to make some even stupider by others. She has been living in that "fake" happiness with a taste of guilt in her mouth ever since then and now she is starting to get a payback on what she did and while she is standing tall and moving forward, she is ALSO someone who is getting completely devastated emotionally.
The Vampire Diaries Teaser #4: A Life-Saving Gesture
SOmeone IMPORTANT almost dies and then gets saved. Thousands of extras get killed without purpose.
The Vampire Diaries Promos: New Footage, Teases
She in fact cared so much about deaths of John, Jules, Jenna and Isobel THAT SHE CAUSED, that she spent entire month sulking over steffie and now the best reason she can say about "why she would hate klaus" is what he did to her poor steffie.
She cared so much about Jeremy getting necksnapped by Damon too. And about being cosnstantly kidnapped. And I see she still cares about Damon having raped and abused Caroline so much.
She is such a caring person with such a big personality.
^for more naive people I'd like to point oit that that's sarcasm
The Vampire Diaries Teaser #2: A Secret Revealed
The problem is not just "Damon not repenting" the problem is THE SHOW writing it as if he has nothing to repent for. Same with Stefan who went from "someone repentant for something he did" of S1 to "someone who did nothing bad and cares a lot and broods for no reason".
Damon is a serial rapist and has tendencies of domestic abuse and women mistreatment. Show refuses to acknowledge that and whitewashes it. THATS the problem. Same with Steffie. Thus making both focal points of this show - the triangle of doom, utterly yuck worthy. :)
The Vampire Diaries Promos: New Footage, Teases
2. Steffie's emo rage. Meh. Does NOT undoo his Edwardian persona of last season and half, nor the fact that his angst is always baseless. I hope he gets to punch Elena around a bit, that would be enjoyable.
3. Klaus being a poor puppy. What happened to Klaus being the diabolical mastermind built up, etc, etc, etc? Now he just wants family, maybe a house and a car and a job? Villains - You are Doing it Wrong, plec.
4. DE and SE scenes. EWWW.
5. Not enough caroline. Meh.
The Vampire Diaries Teaser #2: A Secret Revealed
Yes I am sure they did not have sex, never again, for sure. He would just come over, drink her and watch her dress up in various clothes....suure. I don't knwo in what church you grew up, but yet again, reality check.
Also: bathtub.
Also damon caring for andie? apart from being able to say that it was one of biggest and most forced retcons of the show, IT STILL does not excuse what he did and that no one reacts to it. Rape is not undone just because rapist suddenly started to care for whatever reason.
Also why continue watching? for same reason people like vampbarbie continue to watch. For Caroline, also known as defacto main character of the show :)
The Vampire Diaries Teaser #2: A Secret Revealed
I think it IS the opposite - fanbase allows characters like damon or chuck bass way too much. Like it or not, the show is set in somewhat real world and SHOULD follow the common sense of real world.
The Vampire Diaries Teaser #2: A Secret Revealed
Damon does NOT make the show. He did in s1,when he was a complex multi-layered character and not a caricature of himself. By now, I am pretty sure for majority of people here on this site, its CAROLINE who makes the show. Why? Because Caroline IS the only complex multi-layered flawed relatable character on the show. THE ONLY character to have depth.
The Vampire Diaries Teaser #2: A Secret Revealed
The Vampire Diaries Teaser #2: A Secret Revealed
Some comments on here really show the immaturity of part of TVD fanbase. All that is lacking is some girl/boy saying that "caroline deserved it".
God, children nowadays. Quite warped sense of reality. Let me make it clear and short:
Damon raped Caroline for weeks. FORCEd to have sex after she would not normally out of her own free will. Just because it was magicky eye stare hypnosis stuff, does NOT absolve it from being rape. Its same as drugging the girl and its no better. He abused her too violently.
Damon raped jenna's friend for weeks. same story as Caroline. TWO long-term cases within half-a-year I do believe make him a serial rapist and as long as show does not ACCEPT that and accurately portray that...there's something really wrong with the show too.
The Vampire Diaries Teaser #2: A Secret Revealed
Now you might like character and his actions. Thats okay.There are a lot of masochists in the world.
But no one can deny that what Damon did was to rape and abuse both Caroline and Jenna's friend for weeks for pure fun. Show ignores it, but it does not change the fact that it happened.