I also felt very bad for Mary. I had a sneaking suspicion that the first child will be lost but in the same episode! Damn!I hope that the Conde and Mary DONT get together. I feel as if that's too obvious and I also hope that Francis does not die this season. This season is gonna be good and I can't wait for the next episode.
Please someone should do a rewatch board!!! PLEASE!
I clapped and cheered when she put the diary back down and basically told Alaric "I'm good for now." Good for her.
Didn't love the Calzona focus here, but the writing was good.
I kind of understand where Mellie is coming from when she meant "his death wasn't random." I imagine she felt like he did not die for no reason. There was a meaning and purpose behind it. Thinking her son was here one day and gone the next for no reason other than the luck of the draw probably drove her just as crazy as his dying. I'm so over the Fitz and Olivia thing. Every time they show them on screen together I don't even see chemistry anymore, I just see obsession (on Fitz's part) and that's so unattractive. Fitz is such a mess that even when he is no longer president and married I can't imagine Olivia being with him. He did kill a Supreme Court Justice so his hands are not that clean. Not to mention he was having Olivia stalked by Jake. Considering Fitz thinks Jake killed his son I believe Fitz's reaction to Mellie's response had more to do with Mellie believing their son died for a cause when in his mind Jake did it because of Olivia and that would mean Jerry died because of his throw away side piece. And that idea is just disgusting but oh so poetic. Imagine thinking your son died because you are weak and possessive and bat-shit crazy about a woman that's not the child's mother. I almost wish it were true and then Fitz could turn himself around and leave Olivia alone to find someone good for her and good enough for her. And anyone that believes Fitz and Olivia's love is electric and true and epic is just as ape-shit crazy as he is. I recall Cyrus having a hit out on his husband himself at one point so its very hard to buy into the grieving widow deal with Cyrus. We've seen the extremes he'll go to for his spot in the White House. He used and tortured James so many times that I think James got the better end of the deal. I don't buy his rage at Jake one bit. Or at least, I don't feel any sympathy for him. It will take Olivia to come to the rescue to repair Huck and his family's broken relationship. Hopefully Quinn will spill the beans so Olivia can fix that. She needs to get back to fixing things that don't have anything to do with the Grants. And start with her friends.
Your Fitz's hate is showing. Get over it, he doesn't love Mellie . Mellie is an opportunist, always has been that's what makes her fascinating not the martyred mess we have seen since last season. Also this Olivia cares only about what's between her legs so I doubt she will do anything for Huck. She will go to the end of the earth to save her booty call but I doubt she will do anything for Huck. Sorry my Olivia hate is showing, I just don't like her this season.
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I do t recall saying anything about Mellie being a martyr nor do I recall saying Fitz loves her. But him not loving Mellie still doesn't mean what he has for Olivia is love either.
You say obsession and I say love, every single one of these characters are evil, selfish, awful, awful human beings. To single Fitz out tells me there's more going on here. I will say that I love Fitz mostly because the writers want me to hate him, but most importantly he owns up to his $$it, the rest including Mellie and Olivia act like they're better than they actually are. Sidenote: they should get rid of Jake he brings nothing to the show.
No but your premise is based on the fact that he should love her because she gave up so much for him just like most people who defend Mellie . Wether you admit it or not that's your issue with Fitz. You can say anything about him but to say he doesn't love Olivai is rediculous. I think he loves her too much and the writers should give him a break and get him away form Olivia she is to wishy washy and should stay with the man who choked her.
No my premise is based on this obsession he has with Olivia. i do believe that even if Mellie were a non issue he would still be a hot mess with entitlement issues. And yes I can say it's not love. More like obsession and an insane need for ownership. Maybe for Tweens and 20 year olds that's their idea of what love is. But we all know it's not. If for a second he would fix himself and men's himself then maybe he could begin to love someone else but his crazy idea that everything would just be ok if He and Olivia would be together or the idea that it's Olivia that can fix him is just pure teenage angst bullcrap. So no, Mellie has NOTHING to do with the mess that Fitz is on the inside. His stalker, bat-shit obsessed list for Olivia has nothing to do with love and everything to do with codependency issues. That's every bit Fitz and none Mellie.
Team Fitz for ever. An Emmy for Tony Goldwyn.
Yes Tony deserves an Emmy. But I'm Team "Bored with Love Triangles" If I had to pick a lesser jerk it would be Jake. But that is simply because I abhor men that feel entitled to a woman or her body.
You lose your argument by mentioning Jake because if a man chokes a woman and throws her against a wall there is no way you can this person respects her body. The hate you feel towards Fitz is rooted in something else. I actually agree with you about triangles which is another reason I prefer Fitz over Olivia, he wants Olivia and only Olivia, triangles are stupid because they diminish the character who is undecided.
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Oh geezus. Lets get a little understanding. This word HATE is very strong for a fictional character. I don't invest enough feelings into someone outside of my family to warrant hatred let alone a fictional character on a tv show. I did say lesser of 2 jerks. I will say I am more interested in Jake and Olivia's storyline because I see it as much more complex than the one with Fitz's. I find his character to be a one note character that hasn't shown any progress since day one of the show. He's very easily read and there are no layers to him so I disregard him. He's not complex enough to encite strong enough feelings that could be called hate. Everything I said about Fitz were things I noticed during Season 1 and 2 and beyond that there has been no change. As far as you trying to pinpoint some type of hatred for a character on a tv show, obviously you are way more invested into them than I am. From what I'm gathering you are taking offense at anything I say towards Jake as a character as a slight against Fitz. Thats not how I view television. I watch House of Cards where everyone is despicable and no one has any redeeming qualities and I don't hate a single character. But to throw you a bone so you can go on your Savior Fitz rant that you are dying to get into, I will say this: He does not want Olivia and only Olivia. He wants Olivia and the Presidency. So this insipid boring love triangle is actually a love square.
Let me get this straight you go on and on about how awful Fitz is ( a TV character), I tell you that it is unfair to blame one character for everything while absolving every other ones and you get indignant about it. We are discussing a TV show and if you can't take the criticism of the characters you like and get upset then maybe you should not be so adamant about your dislike or hate for another. The so called relationship between Jake and Olivia is the most contrived thing on this show and that is saying a lot. There is no complexity to it , the two have sex, Jake yells and whine about how great he is in bed and that's all I see. As far as my savior Fitz goes, I'll let that little comment go because I see I got under your skin by showing how flawed your favorites (Mellie and Jake ). I will have to disagree about you not hating Fitz, Everyone projects unto Fitz their biggest fear when it comes to their relationship (rejection for another). He is not my savior ( sorry couldn't let it go after all) but I tend to like him a lot because he is the most complex besides Mellie, one minute he is awful, the next he is sweet, the next remorseful. Jake and Olivia are the least complicated characters on the show, which makes me feel bad because I used to watch this show for Olivia.
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Triangle diminishes only Olivia
No way! :) I'm team Jake!!
I was not singling him out but for the purposes of this discussion. If we were talking about the cast as a hole then I could point out a myriad of ways where these people are despicable each in their very own way. However, I was talking about Fitz and Olivia. If I were speaking of Jake and Olivia it would be Jake I'm singling out.
Thank you twice
Team Fitz forever
I think that this was a good episode but what is irritating me is that they are spending way too much time on the direct aftermath of Sam's death. I wish they would move on now to the next day. Its progressing too slow. They only have ten episodes left and they need to hurry up a bit. Also they need to get Annalise to pick herself up and not be the hot mess she is devolving into!!
I think they're moving things along but I agree that it's a very slow move. The season is a third of the way over and we could definitely use a few more answers.
What do you mean 10 episodes left? This new show is not a 22 or so episodes like the usual shows?
They are a limited series. So their full season pickup is for 15 episodes.
I think I remember seeing that they picked up the show for a full season recently
I wonder if the plan is to have us "catch up" to the flash-forwards and then proceed from there. Last week's episode was 7 weeks prior and last night's was 6 weeks prior. That means we might see all the flash-forwards as a single "linear" episode around episode 10 or 11, and see the subsequent events through the end of the season. Just a guess....
That would be the general idea I believe. I love it when shows use that format.
I've read books where the past catches up to the present--sorta the same thing as the present catching up with future. Usually the chapters alternated so it got a bit confusing character-wise until you got used to the style.
it wouldn't make any sense to show anything after that day. The flashbacks are going to lead us up to that day and the days after. They are spending that much time on the direct aftermath so that we get clues to watch for during the flashbacks. The flashbacks have to catch up with the present so that it can move in a linear storyline after that. Otherwise the flashbacks would never catch up.
Ziva and Tony has the best chemistry so far on NCIS. It must be stupid politics that killed it. Like always in Hollywood.
@Miranda you say: "Later Fitz did his best to shed that image by beating Jake for answers he's not going to get, but we'll just go ahead and blame that on Mellie. (Whoa, Mellie. For real.) Suffice it to say that when Jake does get out of there, which he will, Cyrus is coming for him, as he should.Cyrus is going down. Let's not forget that his new love story is a fake one. The guy is payed to have sex with Cyrus and God knows what is going to happen but it's not going to be good. I hope Mellie wakes up from her craziness and starts acting normal. "Normal", who am I kidding? No one is normal in this show :) Poor Huck. Now let's see who is going to pay attention to him and help him deal with that ugly situation.
I guess i'm in the minority, i love the Mara storyline (probably because i'm more a fan of serial storylines and this keeps everything connected instead of one shots every week) Plus i absolutely hate nathan, i hate everything about him. The actor who plays him is terrible, hes stiff as cardboard, and the character itself is beyond annoying. But honestly Emily Rose isn't acting very well these days, at least not in those transition scenes where Audrey is talking through mara. I honestly thought it was Mara faking being Audrey at first because it was just such bad acting.
YOU ARE WRONG> This is the best writing and story telling that has happened on this show in years. Please don't screw it up with your lame reviews. You want the crap that has been weighing the show down. If you want a soap opera watch day time tv. Finally Grey's is on a roll!!!
You are so right. This is what the show was all about, medical yes, but the focus was on their lives and how being a surgeon and their medical cases related to the characters on a personal level. I loved when they would step away and have things happen outside of the hospital, such as at Meredith's house, the bar, or camping and such. It's good for Grey's to not feel like a stuffy medical drama because that's what set it apart and what made it great: the personal side of the doctors, i.e. fewer character focus to develop a strong attachment to them and the story. Grey's really has stepped it up this season and what the author of this article was complaining about were the exact opposite of things that has made the show falter in recent years!
I know exactly what you mean. In a way, that disappoints me. It seemed like they were painting her to be this amazing surgeon up until season 7 when the trials with Derek were tampered with. After that, it just seemed like there was more focus on how Cristina and Alex were really the ones who had 'it.' I do agree with you on this.
I get what you are saying. But its so hard for me to picture Meredith as this amazing surgeon that everyone keeps claiming her to be when everything is always focused on her home life.
Good writing but theses actors could Not pull it off.
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