I'm convinced the Noah situation is the out for Mariska. Carisi (sp?) is my new fave. I always love Ice-T, and I don't miss the Amaro character. I doubt this show will continue on, but with a perm addition of P. Gallagher, it could become a new show. I still enjoy the format, and most of the characters.
What a terrible review. Does this guy even like the show at all? The flashbacks and the rules were consistent with the ongoing stories about who Gibbs and the crew are. This was one of the better episodes this year.
So your mom and dad didn't have rules for you what about the bible and its rules?
Hey you're free to disagree and to think my review stinks - that's what the comment section is all about. In fact I'm grateful when readers state what they think. But I find it weird that on some positive NCIS reviews I've been accused of being paid by CBS to shill for this show, and under reviews like this the accusation is that I don't like the show. I disagree with your comment CaliMark - does that mean you work for CBS? : )
Who cares what people say? Just stick to your guns. All we have are rules in our lives. Gibbs was a reckless teenager with a lot misdirected energy when he met Shannon who gave him the idea about setting rules. Those rules have guided him through all the tough times and have helped set the course for those he leads at NCIS. McGee, like Tony, has a father figure at work in Gibbs and McGee's letter paralleling what he learned from his father with Gibbs list was an inspired choice for this episode.
I think your top statement in the second paragraph crystallizes our disagreement: "all we have are rules in our lives". No doubt that's how McGee operates and it's certainly how Gibbs does too (and how McGee's dad did as well). Ultimately that's an individual thing….and to those for whom that maxim resonates, the character of McGee is relatable and no doubt welcome. For others who prefer a more laid back approach to life, where rules don't matter quite so much, McGee comes off as stifling and uptight. To be sure, Sean Murray plays the part well - I have no issues with the characterization or how well it's written. But the character just doesn't sit well with me. Your statement "all we have are rules…" makes me want to pull out my hair in horror.
Sure they did. But when I became an adult, that all changed. Things are a lot less black and white now.
Everybody has a rule whether it's right or wrong. A criminal has a rule that it's ok to commit a crime. We are taught right and wrong from our parents, our teachers, the Bible, etc. How you apply those determines who you are. Not being a rule follower is also a guide or rule on how you want to live your life. I wouldn't take it so personally. I thought it was a great episode and I like Gibbs rules. Many people could use more discipline or good rules to live by in this world.
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I really hope the writers won't be thinking of killing off another major character. I've about had it went they took out Carter. I think the cast is great now, I won't be able to handle another death like Carters.
Why do we have to wait that long? I hope abuelita is ok. I can't wait to see it! http://tiny.cc/8kw0qx
oh wow thats exciting news for Nicholas Gonzales, he was definitely under used in Sleepy Hollow. Can't wait for some back story on Cisco as well.
I liked the original Because it definitely isn't Carver!Claire unfortunately Carver's tenure of show running is lacking. They trust Carver not 1 but 3 years to decide what scripts are written from what story ideas and which of those are filmed ad eps?! Seriously?! Carver couldn't find his own ass with his own hands at high noon with, a flashlight and a tour guide. He needs to be tossed and replaced with someone who knows what he/she what the hell they're doing!
51 rules aren't too many although I could of done without Ziva. There was a reason her and Tony's so called romance never got beyond hinting. Ziva acted more like a stalker then a potential lover. Not to mention she was boorish, rude and an insult to women everywhere. Kate was uptight but likeable, Bishop is quirky but likeable. Ziva made me mute the program whenever she spoke to ease the urge to smack her for acting the know it all when all she was doing was repeating exactly what the other characters just said not to mention how she had no faith in her team but expected them to have nothing but faith in her but only if it benefited Ziva and nobody else. As the show got slowly taken over by Ziva and everyone else became wallpaper whose only purpose was to gush how wonderful Ziva was I started watching less until I wasn't watching anymore. With Ziva gone I happily started watching NCIS now that it's not the Ziva and her kiss ups show
Ziva was a stalker? I thought the usual complaint was that she was cold and abusive to Tony. Tony was far more of a stalker.
No Ziva was cold and abusive and a stalker. She saw Tony flirting with the FBI and snidely told her she had something in her teeth. Once she and Tony were gone she went through the woman's purse and snidely proclaimed she was hiding something because there was no hair in her brush for dna testing. No Ziva only skanks toss brushes full o hair back in their bags for hair to get all over everything. How many times did Ziva go through Tony's deak? Multiple times. Ducky invited her for drinks as he would a colleague and all Ziva could do was talk about why Tony wasn't answering her 20th call. She did the same with Gibbs when he quipped he didn't know they were wed Ziva said he'd been to see the doctor but wouldn't say why.
But Tony searching for her for 4 months in the middle east doesn't sound a little stalky to you?
What about Tony wanting to make the villain pay when he thought Ziva had been killed in Truth or Consequences. What did he say when Ziva asked why he was there if he thought she was dead "I can't live without you." Ziva told him to save himself but he wasn't leaving her behind. Also remember when Tony lied to Ziva about finding information to get her to return to the office and sneaked off to meet with Michael Rifkin and tell him to get out of town. Don't think Ziva was a stalker. Just saying.
Nope, just an abuser.
No. He was looking for a colleague who disappeared and had the bosses ok as well as help.
Nope. She was a missing colleague and his boss gave him the job.
Because if he wanted to tell you he would so obviously like when he entered the men's room Ziva you were too dense to get the point. Her assurance Tony killed Michael out of jealousy and he didn't have to kill him. 1 he was suspicious not jealous and 2 you weren't there you don't know what he needed to do. When a guy has a hunk of glass in his side and he's pumping out blood but he is still coming what would you do?
Actually, no. Tony would be a stalker if he did what some fans keep insisting and go to Israel to drag Ziva back after she told him a) that he shouldn't have come looking for her and b) that she wouldn't come back with him and didn't want him to stay. I do agree, though, that Ziva wasn't a stalker. She was just an abuser and that in itself is bad enough.
What did Tony do to MCGee over the years? Glued his face to the desk. Constantly putting him down. Giving him Mc nicknames that were sometimes not very nice. Giving him the crappy jobs. Threw a burrito at his head in Stakeout. And the list goes on. Unlike you I realize this is just a bit of teasing and fun between co-workers and friends. Tony and Ziva did the back and forth thing and it was never mean-spirited. They evoked strong emotions in each other. But no matter what I say you will not accept the truth. I don't blame you for this conversation though. It is totally my fault for trying to reason with someone that can't be reasoned with.
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I'm confused - what did my answer have to do with McGee? I and I don't disagree that Tony has done some rotten things to Tim (or that Tim has done some rotten things to Tony either). And I actually agree with you - a lot of the back and forth between Ziva and Tony was teasing and not mean-spirited. And that was the Ziva I liked and enjoyed. If they'd stayed with that Ziva, I would have continued to like her. Unfortunately they didn't. Calling your partner deadweight and asking that he not be sent with you on a mission where your motives are already in doubt isn't a bit of teasing and fun. Demanding that your team leader, after you've accused your partner of unspeakable things to his face, that he be kicked off the team he's been a part of for eight years or else, isn't a bit of teasing and fun. Knocking your partner to the ground by using an injury you know about, shoving a gun into his chest and thigh and threatening to kill him definitely isn't teasing and fun. The last one is the one I have the biggest problem with, because it's the main one that makes me label her an abuser. Ziva never apologised for that, never suffered any repercussions, never even acknowledged that she had done anything wrong. And that's on the writers. I think they wrote themselves into a corner with that scene, and instead of trying to figure a way back (which would have been challenging) they chose, instead, to ignore it and hope the fans would too. Hypothetical question - if the roles had been reversed, and Tony had done any of the three things I mentioned above to Ziva, would you be so forgiving?
I liked it and it's the 1st ep this season that I'll watch all the way though. The part where Dean t6ells Sam he ruined his life, where he has a talk with Cole and the end of ep 9 where he goes bad ass on the bad guys I'd definitely watch again. Other parts maybe but most of it I wouldn't bother with especially screechy Claire. I like the original Claire but Carver's version is a self entitled little brat who is impossible to feel for. I don't know if it's the actress or the way they wrote her but she didn't come across as sympathetic at all. And what was with that hairdo?!
"...hey, it's Christmas. I'm as much a sucker for Christmas cheer as the next person." Me too. I was glad this ep had a happy ending considering that the NCIS lead-in's ending was a total holiday buzzkill of the greatest magnitude and highest order.
Me too. I couldn't believe NCIS would end on such a dour note at Christmas time. I loved seeing so much of McGhee, but geez, did they have to end the episode like that?
At least they stopped the evil hacker? (I'll take what I can get.)
There are also cases where an episode of an episode gets pulled from airing (temporally) due to it being scheduled to air right after some real world event. The cases I can think of are school shootings. A shot has an episode where a school shooting plays a part and then there is a real school shooting the prior week (or so) and the episode gets postponed due to that. Off hand I can not think of other events but I have the impression that there were other cases about one-off events (unlike School Shooting which happen unfortunately too many times).
Gibbs told McGee don't keep your dad waiting. THis was the end of the weekend before Christmas as the case started Saturday nite. THere was time before Christmas eve when he penned the letter to his dad when they spent time together. His dad either died just after he wrote the note on Christmas eve or just before, but it seemed that he was less emotional at the time so I assume his dad passed right after Christmas.
don't you find it interesting that both shows covered crimes that have come to the forefront of late. Someone got caught in a youtube vid impersonating a vet and got called out for it publicly. Then we have to Sony hack for the emails. Both shows writers are astute at picking up on things that are or could be happening out in the world, and bringing to the tv screen. As for the buzzkill, many of us have experienced loss around the holidays, being Christmas doesn't stop life from happening or death. They are merely portraying a reality, We can't have a sugar coated world. THat those who;ve suffered loss of this sort could be pained and saddened by the ending but Tim and his dad never had a close relationship. I think that the implication was that they did spend their final time together before the holiday, as a family before he died. With stage 4 cancer, and no hope they got a short time to reconnect. That it was Christmas, well it happens. That's life.
Procedurals often do write eps based on timely topics--the first to do that were the shows in the Law and Order franchise. BTW, didn't mean to hijack the discussion with an incident seen on NCIS. I won't say any more about it.
that 's ok I watch both shows. funny thing about the writing is that the episodes were conceived and filmed before the news came out. OF course there have been creeps faking it as vets forever but it became a big deal only a couple of weeks ago. THe Sony hack again only 3wks ago. Both these eps were in post pro at the least. Sometimes I think these guys have a sixth sense. but you're right L&O did do that a lot.
"I think that the implication was that they did spend their final time together before the holiday, as a family before he died." My impression was that they were supposed to get together but the case intervened. The letter was to symbolically apologize and explain to his father why he failed to be there. Placing the letter in the casket just, for me, illustrated this. I have the watch the episode again but were there not phone calls from his sister/family that he could not respond to shown? As for it happening at Christmas time, I can top this. Years ago my cousin was getting married. The ceremony was pushed forward 30 minutes and it was only later that we found out why. Her aunt had had a Heart Attack and was dead before she hit the floor. They had to clear the area which explained the quick rescheduling. Think about having to remember the death in conjunction with cellabrating your aniversery.
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at the end Tim said these last few days we had together. They did get time together but Tim and his dad had issues with communicating. The letter was probably his way of explaining that he understood his dad 's rules of life too, but didn't get to deliver that final message.
The main NCIS was not Christmas themed at all.
Sean Murray is the only reason I have ever watched NCIS. As hokey as the story was, I really like the letter to dad and the funeral scene. Sean is finally being used as a central character and he is great at it.
I've said for years he is underappreciated and underused. He really got to show his chops, finally.
Me, too, Lynn If he ever left I would stop watching NCIS. Not out of protest but just because he's the only reason I watch. Lately they have been using more of him in the show and I I hope they keep it up...Not matter what Tony fans think
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