This episode was kind of disappointing for me. I enjoyed seeing Lindsay Wagner but I didn't feel that they used her well. I wish they would have left Gibbs in DC and let Bishop's mother interact more with her, creating a great mother and daughter moment. At this point, I'm a little annoyed that Gibbs must be injected into the middle of everything. I know that this is the Gibbs show but I think that they missed an opportunity to let Bishop interact with her family without the ever present Gibbs. Let Emily Wickersham be front and center without Harmon upstaging her. We need to see who this character is and not eclipsed by Gibbs or propped up by Gibbs.
You can pray all you want to hope that the early seasons were more watched than the rating shows it doesn't matter, does it, those shows are now in syndication and only gold for CBS and USA. most cable boxes made using a vCR impractical about 10 yrs ago. Knock off the catty little snot comments, if you are what you claim it should be beneath you.
I'm not sure that EW has been given any major screen time without Gibbs. Maybe they don't think she can carry a scene. I don't find her character appealing in the slightest.
Not sure Gibbs ever thought of Tony as an equal but he was certainly more encouraging I guess you could say. I ALWAYS thought Gibbs had a secret thing for Kate. I think initially for Gibbs and Ziva it was 1] her knowledge of Shannon and Kelly which at that point no one else knew about and 2] She killed Ari and saved his life, regardless of what the real reason may have been. That was their connection.
The show has become very predictable in having to make sure the Gibbs issues or heroism or being the one to solve someone else's dilemma seems to be inserted into every single episode. Sometimes it's a mystery as to why the rest of the team exists because Gibbs pretty much does everything worth doing. It was s much more interesting show when they used all the characters and different combinations of them for the big moments and dramas. Now it's always either Gibbs by himself, Gibbs and a team member, or Gibbs and a guest star. No team member it seems can have an entire episode that is really about them unless Gibbs gets his obligatory scenes from the writers that focuses on some featured attribute.
Guess you missed the other half, you know Tobey and Tony and McGee taking down the money launderers, Tony and Tim locating the brother, Oh Tony wacking the scumbag in the back of the head as the third method, Tony doing the reports soTim could do the soup kitchen with Abby, Tobey and Tony comisurating over their pathetic holiday plans, well not really pathetic. If the attribute of being a father is what you speak of well yes that is Gibbs to his team and that's the way it's always gonna be, you want shock and awe it won't be here. That's not the style of the show. Though they do occasionally surprise us. They are our comfort food in very troubled times.
Being a snot rude and insulting isn't necessary it's just a tv show, and Don isn't the second coming. MH did many things in his life, and still could if he wishes just as any or all could who've been on the show, and MH was pretty well off before NCIS.. And yes it's my opinion shared with many others obviously since 2 or 3 are most mentioned. So what, I have no difficulty with reality vs fantasy, and when you only listen to one side or the so called real story, from DB, you'd think, that somehow he was unjustly removed. You either respect those who work under you or not, and he didn't , why should he worry right his family surrounded him, and the cast never got to see theirs during the filming yr. a guy who really cares about family would realize that his actors have family too. Sean was what 15 Ty 11, when the show started, didn't they deserve time with their father? The only person with abnormal worship of pseudo reality around here isn't me, and it seems that Shane and Gary have managed to build on and eclipse DB by leaps and bounds in terms of viewership, and demo, and yet they didn't screw up the lives of their actors. Don didn't run season 5.guess you meant 3. The big picture Don wanted don Johnson as his first choice to play his alter ego, Gibbs, ya think the show would have made it this far or past the first 2 seasons with that poor choice.
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Oh Erin, don't you think that military law enforcement would be aware of one of its own. Hollis wasn't she had someone do a dossea on him. Each and every yr, hmm Don used the Ari thing, to great effect, murder 2 .0 he chose Gibbs/ NCIS, out of the alphabet soup of agencies, but didn't know who he was dealing with until they first showed up at the garage, it was the second murder when he addressed him directly, by then he knew who was investigating him, because of the first. Yes every yr some arch criminal has it out for Gibbs, even Dan Budd right? Budd wasn't out for Gibbs, he used Gibbs to set an example, the old will die, we're bold and dangerous, and heartless. Harper Dearing was after the Navy, he wanted suicide by Gibbs, Sergei was after Gibbs yup, goes back to Ari. P2P not Gibbs,judgement day Gibbs but a great story, hiatus nope, just wrong place,10 the investigation all the Gibbs haters wanted, so he would pay for his bad behavior, nope he won a friend instead, and of course the Renosas, well Don gave us the Kelly Shannon story, did we really think there would never be a story about what can bite you back? Almost 300 eps now, and every yr someone's after Gibbs. Not even close.
Specifically that was murder 2.0. That was from the perp, oh and Zivas Friend Lizan in the missionary position. over all Gibbs doesn't get stroked any more than Tony strokes himself. A 24 yr NCIS career with 7 plus civilian awards, a bunch of service awards while in the Marines might get you notice on a CV. Meanwhile Tony gets the legend, in Baltimore every time. Is this a measuring contest really? By the way I think that the character would have given that all up for his wife and daughter, but we know how that would have ended don't we. No Gibbs.
I don't think Gibbs always was the "father" of the team. In seasons 1&2 he was almost flirty towards Kate at times and Tony was more his equal. That changed after Kate was killed and Ziva joined the team. I think the father role came more in seasons three and four. If you watch season 1&2 you also see Abby being very different and she also is a bit provocative towards Gibbs. Now she is acting like a baby around him.
You said exactly what I have been thinking all season, bravo!
It has become the all Gibbs all the time show. Absolutely no other character can be written in a way where it might be construed that they have much value when placed beside Gibbs. It's the same crap that messed up MASH when Alan Alda took artistic control and Hawkeye became the be all end all character as the other characters became back ground noise. Same thing seems to be happening here. If a story can't somehow shoehorn in scenes featuring some predominant aspect of Gibbs, the story simply won't be told. I miss the team but the cohesiveness of that dynamic is gone. Now it's always Gibbs and fill in the blank.
Half of the show didn't involve Gibbs or Bishop or tied their actions to what the rest of the team was doing back in DC. Tony sure isn't a father figure, now we see that MW might need a little growing up himself. Perhaps he should adopt the Gibbs persona. The overlying theme of the show is Gibbs father figure to his agents, I think their cohesiveness and dynamic was spot on, they all went on and did their jobs without the boss, even Bishop took it upon herself to try at Leavenworth before Gibbs even got there, at Tony's request. so what they didn't get together for dinner all of them we've seen it been there done it, cant always end the same. Really you must think that Tony has no value here, he acted as second in command, directed Bishop, saved Tobey from a violent confrontation, and it is Gibbs place to be the dad here, it's partly his fault that Ellie and Jake are on the rocks, he brought her in, and that started the wall to build between the spouses.
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We don't know the mom and as Doug said not interested in the investment yet just like he wasn't interested in the Quinn's, a little harsh, but first time I wasn't that hot for Gibbs papa either. Yes I'd be worried as a mom about her she's had two dangerous jobs already, couldn't talk about the first, and won't talk about the second and her marriage woes, what else could a mom do. Gibbs is rescuing himself too, and bishop has to rescue herself. She will work this out because she'll recognize she has too just as Gibbs has finally seen it for himself. She figured out how to reach Doogan, not Gibbs. He didn't rescue bishop, she decided on her own to return, and how to approach the convict, Gibbs was just the sounding board she could talk to if she wished.
So, you are saying that only Gibbs can solve a problem on the show? Is it that he is the only one capable or is he the only one who is allowed? In my life I've found that at different times different people have the answer that I need. There is not just one person who has all of the answers. Could Bishop's mother have been written differently so that she had the key? The way Bishop's mother was written, Gibbs was needed to help her. Could her brother have been written as the one who could say what she needed to hear. What I'm getting at is that this show is scripted. There is a "creative process." Real life, I find, is often very unpredictable. Excellent writing mirrors life. It is very predictable that Gibbs will solve the problem. I would like them to surprise me.sometimes. Throw me a curve for a change. Letting someone else help her.would have been nice. Having Lindsay Wagner on the show was an opportunity that got dropped in my opinion What they are doing with John Cryer, on the other hand, is pretty good, Allowing Michael Weatherly to be the hero in the recent episode is ls also a step in the right direction..
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But Ellie wasn't interacting, she was blocking, it was Gibbs advice to her on the porch, the revelation that he was talking to someone. We had plenty of interaction between her brother and her and her mom, but Bish wasn't having it with feelings and conversation, there are those who would say it's impossible to make Bishop interesting, I disagree but Gibbs needed to be there, to get her to talk, and to reassure her mom that she would be watched over, not protected but, knowing your daughters boss on a more personal level, it a reassurance. Gibbs has that way about him. She was doing pretty good on her own, but you can't go it alone all the time. Let's face it, he went there for two reasons, Leavenworth, and the worry that she might not want to come back, and the help her to see beyond the hurt and betrayal, to what she wants to be and do.
Yes. Evidently every law enforcement official in the military has heard of the great Leroy Jethro Gibbs. He's a legend. Can an episode pass where someone doesn't mention his awesomeness, his fame, or his reputation? This seems to be a required of writers without fail. And not only that, but Gibbs seems to be personally targeted by arch enemy villains each and every year. He is evidently the scourge of multitudes of the worst of the worst. Is there any doubt that he is legendary? Don't worry - lest you forget the writers will be sure to remind you in the very next episode. Guaranteed.
You've seen NCIS before, right? Gibbs is always the hero...99.9999% of the time.
They are all heroes on the show, Gibbs was the father figure in the episode because Ellie's dad hadn't gotten home yet, Gibbs interactions with Lindsey and with Ellie were simply that, fatherly. What we got out of mom was her secret fears , about her daughter, and concerns about her marriage, and the realization that Ellie doesn't open up much, and never has, and is a serious planner. Seriously in real life would you expect your boss to pop up at your door 1000 miles away, to help you with a case, and with something personal esp when you know he's a functional mute and doesn't open up to anyone? That was the point of it. Tony and Tim did their jobs in DC with Tobias, and Gibbs did his job with his young agent, he got her to think it through so she could first do her job, and then move on from the betrayal. That would be his duty, don't you think, not Tony not McGee not ,Abby, or Ducky, it was Gibbs who brought her into the unit, from NSA, that separation hindered her relationship with Jake, though I think jake s an idiot, and I'm sure he told Jake that in no uncertain terms, but in the end, his fledgling his responsibility.
Gibbs has always been the father to his team, that is how Bellisario wrote NCIS. He has had poignant moments with Ziva, Abby, Tim and Tony. I like those poignant moments. My problem is that they had Lindsay Wagner on the show and she came off as the stereotypical worried mom. Why not do something different. Let Bishop and her mom do something different. Let her mother be strong and maybe talk about a rough patch that she and Bishop's dad went through and how she thought about leaving him. I was hoping for that but it didn't happen. We got the same predictable Gibbs to the rescue..
You are commenting on the show as written. What I'm saying is that they could try writing some things differently so that it is not so predictable. Were we really surprised when Jake confessed to cheating? I wasn't.
Not really because we saw him with another woman in Dubai and at the restaurant, as did Bishop, but he could have lied to her, and denied the affair, instead he was brutally honest, maybe it's less interesting to be an honest scumbag than a lying one, but this show isn't about deception and lies, it's about integrity, and fortitude, and life lessons, we didn't know Barbara enough to allow the mom in her to be anything more than what she was, the writers have a hard enough time dealing with Bishop, to the satisfaction of none, they can't win, well I think this episode was a close to a win for Bishop writing as there has been lately. We are an 8 o'clock show here in the states, in some zones 7, I know you're from Canada, which is cool, but those 8 o'clock shows have to have a certain tenor, I'm not gonna say Brady bunch, or Ozzie and Harriet, MH might approve however, considering family ties, ok there's a third example, pun sorry, but there is an undercurrent of family, and loyalty, so evident, that in terms of family dynamic well it's a bit limiting. I just spent part of my day defending the show from a left wing loon who wants it off the air because it defends the miltary and our soldiers "murderous "ways, seriously, those were its words, so where are we to go? The predictable formula is very CBS, the show is a comfort show for many, that's why it'll never get the Emmy, but always shows up in the radar at people's Choice. To them this is stretching the envelop, by giving she who is the most hated by a few the chance to do something, and that's still too much for them. Then we've got the Tiva and poor belittled Tony crowd, they are never never happy, considering recent events with MW, it seems tha Dinozzo is more grown up than his actor. They've made adjustments given the cast evolving situations, that's the best we'll get, and I'm glad they are at least trying it.
The thing is, while Harmon always had top billing and Gibbs was always the head of the team in the good old days we got to see everyone's talents shine and often saw other team members make surprising contributions or see their initiative or brilliance featured. Now when it comes down to the wire Gibbs has to have the answer to everyone's problems. He has to be the most briliant, caring, compassionate or noble 100 percent of the time. I think that's why they write everyone but McGee as a basket case these days. So that Gibbs can swoop in and be one with a brain or the hero AGAIN. It used to be fun seeing the other interesting characters show their talents but now it's always Gibbs closing the deal. It's become ridiculously predictable.
Gibbs didn't solve anything, the deal wasn't his to make he was handed it, it was Bishop who came up with the way to reach the convict, Tony had the solve with the forgers with Tobey, all Gibbs did was admit that he was talking to someone and needed to, wow. Big swoop in huh. All Gibbs did in this episode was oversee his agents, and meet the family of Bishop, something that's his responsibility, seems pretty normal activity for a boss.
Maybe they should stop calling the show NCIS and call it "LeRoy Jethro Gibbs, Extremely Special and Gifted Special Agent." Have you noticed how oftentimes someone introduces him to someone new, they say "and this is the famous LeRoy Jethro Gibbs." You can almost hear the trumpets blow. Why do they have to keep telling us that he's famous. Why isn't it enough that people say, "I've heard about you Gibbs," when they meet him? Understatement is better.
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Actually, calling Gibbs 'famous" has been on going. This is not one or two specific cases. Gibbs himself does not toot his own horn but the writers seem to need to have it done for him. I guess they think that we need reminding from time to time. When Tony calls himself "very special agent," it's a joke meant to needle his coworkers. Tony has always like to needle people. If I remember correctly he called McGee "very special agent" recently. That was a compliment from Tony, no longer a needle. Tony getting called "the legend" by his former coworkers is both a joke and a compliment at the same time The loss of Shannon and Kelly is integral to his character. His fatherhood for Kelly was cut short and he's tried 4 times to fill the hole left when Shannon died. The Team became his family. Gibbs said so on more than one occasion that the team is family. The idea of the team as family was also in Bellisario's series, JAG. Even the father figures had similar names LeRoy Jethro Gibbs and Albert Jethro Chegwidden. Albert Jethro Bellisario was Don Bellisario's father.. In fact LeRoy Jethro Gibbs is Don Bellisario's alter ego. Both Gibbs and Bellisario were Gunnery Sergeants in the Marine Corps and both married four times. Bellisario married his current wife, Vivienne Murray, Sean Murray and Chad Murray's mother. He lived the father thing. Many of the Bellisario clan worked on NCIS or the spin off LA. In early episodes of NCIS Vivienne Bellisario appeared as a red head who often picked Gibbs up from work in. The plan was eventually to reveal who the mysterious red head was but when Bellisario got forced off of the show, that plan was dropped. The characters, Chip, Abby's lab assistant and Tim's sister, Sarah, were played by Beliisario's kids, Michael Bellisario and Troian Bellisario. Just a little trivia. I hope it doesn't offend you.
Bellisario called season 4 "the season of secrets." He also said that it was the hardest year he ever had with a series. He had the season all charted out. Abby's secret was the romance with the little person played by Michel Gilden. That secret was supposed to have played out over the season but Gilden committed suicide. which resulted in rewrites of the script. Susannah Thompson who played Colonel Hollis Mann, Gibb's love interest for the season, asked Bellisario for time off so that she could work on another project. She was gone for over a month and Bellisario was doing more juggling. Mark Harmon complained about Bellisario's chaotic management style and last minute script changes. He told CBS that either Bellisario goes or he would walk. The rest is history. Bellisario later obviously had brain issues that could have caused what Harmon accused him of. He ended up with a shunt to drain excess fluid from his brain. Now, how much of the problem that led to his dismissal was his brain issues and how much was the necessity of the needed script changes, I really can't say. Maybe both the brain issues and the script problems created the perfect storm for Bellisario. I don't have any insider information only what was in the media and what Bellisario said on a you tube video. I felt bad for DP because this show was his baby. LeRoy Jethro Gibbs, as I said, was his alter ego. To lose creative control of your creation must have been horrible for him. I think, in my opinion, that Bellisario had more talent in his little finger than all of his successors.
Nope I know the trivia too, but one thing, Viv Bellisario was off the show by the end of the third season, she showed up once or twice that yr to Zivas curiosity and of course for Jenny's petty jealousies. Hollis became the love interest in season 4 and Don was still the show runner, with Shane Brennan coming in during that yr as a writer, and sort of backup to Bellisario as there were issues brewing at that point. One could accuse Don of serious nepotism with respect to his relatives, but hey you've got to protect your family. Never was a big JAG fan mine was Magnum. One can almost see Gibbs cringe when he's introduced in such a fashion, he's no showboat, actions are more meaningful than awards or accolades, in some ways Tony is the opposite he takes Gibbs awards for him and wants the attention, but in this fictional reality it's not a malignant narcissism on his part, he just really wants to belong and be appreciated. Something he didn't get in his past either.
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The best season was two? You do know that is your opinion. If we look at the results of the survey of fandom done by CBS a couple of years ago,.fans were split between season 2 and 3. In season 2, SWAK and Call o Silence were numbers 2 and 4 on the top ten. For season 3, Kill Ari parts 1 & 2 were number 3, Under Covers was number 5 and Hiatus parts 1 & 2 was number 7. So which was a better Season? Two hours on season 2 or the five hours on season 5? Either way, the show runner was Bellisario. Hey, but I thought that he was the bad guy. The number one episode was season 7's Truth or Consequences. The show runner for that one was Shane Brennan. You are still living in the world of NCIS. Can you step out of it for a few minutes and look at it from another viewpoint or are locked into it? Can you move out of the fantasy world and into reality? NCIS is not reality. Someone had to plan out the whole season and oversee the writing. That was the job of Bellisario. He got thrown some curve balls that he had to deal with. You sound like you knew what he had to deal with and it was no big deal. You didn't like season 4 anyway. Remember without DB there would be no NCIS tv show. It would have never existed. The show that made all of the actor's names household words would never have existed.. Would any of them be rich and famous without DB? We'll never know. NCIS was Mark Harmon's greatest success. Where would he be without it? Where would they all be today? Let me know the answers since you seem to be very sure of everything.
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Yes, I wrote 5 when I meant 3. If you read what I said carefully, I allowed for what Mark Harmon said. I said that maybe DB was having mental problems or maybe the loss of cast members might have played into it. You won't allow for anything except to say that Belisario was a mean guy, I'm not trying to be rude but do you work for CBS or are you married to someone on the cast or crew? Also, my religious beliefs preclude me from seeing DB as the second coming. I just think that he has/had a lot of talent writing characters.
Not saying he was mean, he wasn't aware of the crisis he was creating of his own making, as the ultimate manager, that's something that usually gets you fired. Talented yes, but when you are the ultimate power, you need to use it with care and concern for those around you, some of these actors have been in the business as long or even longer than Don has. David for one and Mark since the 70s. They aren't children and while not writers they'd both directed and have managed production. Their time is precious too. Did a little Nielsen research today, Magnum, was surprisingly no more popular than NCIS in viewership, and there were fewer choices back then, ER , NCIS is more popular than ER was at this point in its broadcast, 13 th yr, the only show that mirrors NCIS in ratings similarity is... The original Law and Order, a show that kept the same formula for all its tenure, except for changing personnel. Of course when they got too political it started to fall down in ratings, speaks well that with all the choice out there that NCIS with its original cast still pulls in more viewers then any previous drama, that I could think of in the modern era of cable availability. Doesn't matter who's at the helm of the ship it's the cast mates who've made this show, pure and simple.
When you are looking at ratings for old shows remember that older shows had smaller audiences purely because of the size of the television audience in general. Also, now they are doing the live +7 thing. which includes DVR recorded viewing.. NCIS gets a bump of somewhere around 3 to 4 million viewers in the live+7. VHS recorders also afforded viewing of programs several days later but no one counted the number of people viewing later with a VHS recorder. In 2005 there were about 95 million VHS recorders in use. (The last stand alone VHS recorder was made in 2008..) Compare that to the approximately 54 million DVRs in use now.. It is conceivable that the numbers for some of those old shows including NCIS had a much higher viewership than today's numbers. If today NCIS gets a bump of 3 to 4 million to live+7, it is possible that the actual viewership for NCIS was 3 to 7 million higher than what the same day numbers showed before season 9. That is something to think about.
I don't feel sorry for Bellisario, treating your actors lives like you own them, isn't conducive to a good working environment. Mark was just the most vocal about it David who is hardly there more than a few days at a time also felt it. It was not the death of Michel or Suzanna wanting more time that created the fracas, they weren't contracted by the show, so Don couldn't have the expectation of owning them or their time either. They were week by week guest stars. Frankly I didn't like season 4, simply because Jenny was using her position and using her agents to exact revenge on someone for personal reasons, terrible values represented there. Train wreck of a season. If you need to get someone you do it yourself. Turns out it's likely that Trent killed her father not Rene. The best Bellisario season was 2.
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Actually90s older shows had higher audiences as there were fewer options and channels, and even if videod for later viewing Nielsen didn't count that. Records for NCIS indicate that it's viewership started to rise in season 5 and 6 from a base that started at 11 mil in season one to around 14 in season four, it mattered not if someone VCRd the show for later viewing the viewership simply didn't count, live is the original measure. In fact most people don't even know how to operate the machines, that's why DVR became so important. It's simple. Further 4 to 5 yrs ago people didn't time shift their watching, that's definitely in evidence.today people time shift. NCIS baseline is so much higher than most shows with live viewers, it can't do things like double its +7. Show became # 1 in season 7 in total viewership and has maintained that since for a drama. A tribute to the cast. Believe me if the show had been so watched in its first yrs we would have known about it , the networks crow about that stuff, they analyse like insurance actuaries, nope it was a fairly middling show,in the beginning with a slowly growing base of fans, then USA and syndication happened in season 6. It took til season 11 for the show to get the most coveted worldwide most watched, now they've won it twice.
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You are using a blanket generalization about VCRs "most people don't even know how to operate the machines." Maybe the people you know couldn't operate a VCR but my family and friends could. Maybe I only associate with the genius crowd. It is true that the VCR was harder to operate than a DVR but that didn't mean that only a few could operate one. For that reason I gave a wide range of possible numbers for possible VCR viewing. The number of DVRS is only about 57% of the number of VCRs in use in 2005. Nielsen did not keep track of those VHS or Beta Max users for delayed viewing. Since NCIS shows a difference of between Live+7 and Live of about 4 million currently per episode, is it possible that that with almost twice as many VCR machines that about that many viewers watched NCIS delayed in 2005? I'm not saying that they did but could they? "4 to 5 years ago viewers didn't time shift their viewing" Well, that is not true, maybe they didn't time shift at the rate that they do now. but certainly viewers used their VCRs to tape and watch later. My VCR could be programmed to tape several shows. I could tape three shows in a row and watch them on the weekend. For example if I still had an analog TV, I could tape Super Girl, Scorpion and NCIS LA on the fastest speed (low resolution) without needing to change tapes. I don't know if I could switch to a different channel. I still have the old VCR to play my old tapes but it is incompatible with my digital TV for recording.Hmmmm.is it really? In order to continue, I need to know what you mean by "most."When you use "most" do you mean 60%, 70%, 80%, 90% , 99%? Most is a weasel word that means different things to different people. For some 51% is "most." For others "most" is 99%. The word "most" is not precise. If we are talking about things like viewership numbers where 3 to 4 million is about 2.6% to 3.5% of the number of household in the US, we need to be more precise. Average viewership for NCIS live:Season 1----12.25 millionSeason 2----14.24 millionSeason 3----16.62 millionSeason 4----15.39 millionSeason 5----15.98 millionSeason 6----17.74 millionSeason 7----19.31 millionSeason 8----19.70 millionSeason 9----19.23 millionSeason 10---19.29 millionSeason 11---18.49 millionSeason 12---17.23 millionSeason 13---16.91 million (1st 10 eps.)Live +7 didn't start until season 9. Any of the numbers could be a little different from ones you've seen due to whether the data was kept to the hundredths or the thousandths place and whether they rounded or truncated.
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If they don't show it onscreen, it didn't happen ( unless it's Soprano's)..... Simone lives!! Bear's reaction when he got to his truck was more frustration at his own " weakness" for not being able to kill his betraying niece, than being upset that he had to kill her. Dodd is his enemy now, and he feels like he should have killed Dodd's kid, in retaliation for what happened with Charlie, as well as for Simone's actions. I've thought from the very beginning how cool it would be if Ed ( aka Todd from Breaking Bad), actually ended up a boss man in the mob. The Butcher Breaks Bad!! Peggy rambling on about being her best self, and Ed, the simple minded butcher takes over! I'm wondering if Hanzee has left the Gerhardt Reservation, and is trying to trick Bear, or, is Hanzee hot in the trail of Ed as he drives Dodd's car with Dodd in the trunk. Wtf is Floyd up to? Her sly smile after she informed on Kansas City seemed to indicate she is up to something. Is Hank up to craziness to try and cure his daughter from cancer? Bear's comments to Hanzee about being welcome at the family table, and then telling Simone that no one is family now seem important.
Does anyone know what the talking pyramid is and is it available to buy???
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Crowley recently stated himself, "You and Sam don't understand, I'm not your bloody sidekick!" But that's exactly what he's become, a sidekick to the series as a whole. His current threats are empty, as are threats against him. Ultimately everyone is left standing and in good health. In fact, Crowley often gets someone out of one jam or another, even at his minor expense. So where's the tension or his purpose, beyond a lazy writer's quick plot fix? Meanwhile he's been painted into this character of a bored CEO/administrator overlooking "the new Hell". Upper management can be hell, we get it, ha, ha, ha. But all the real action is literally locked away in boxes with Michael and Lucifer - the original ruler of Hell - duking it out, which we never see. He lets others, like Rowena or the Darkness, manipulate him in ways "the old Crowley" would have seen coming a mile ahead, then stopped and/or used to his advantage. Again, lazy writing and character development. I could say the same for Castiel, but his character was always and deliberately much more bland, so seeing him leave is even more so needed. The whole Heaven/Hell story arc was a big mistake, I'm hoping this 'Darkness' will be a way of retiring it and getting back to basics - where Sam and Dean solved their own problems through the knowledge and environment they unearthed, not through the snap of some angel's/demon's fingers or as pawns in that game. Returning to presenting viewers to non-Christian supernatural lore with the same level of seriousness extended to those story arcs, so each season doesn't feel like an extended Bible study class with MOTW episodes treated as coffee breaks. In that context, perhaps as the ruler of the "new Hell" Crowley would be even more interesting, as he would acknowledge he has overtaken the realms of punishment of all wrongdoers in all faiths/beliefs of humans over the millennia. Yet he is one of many forms or part of a collective whole. This isn't being "politically correct" as is being literal that how people view who/what oversees how they are rewarded and punished for their actions in the supernatural realms.
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Smallville was also moved to Fridays which seemed like a death blow but viewing habits have changed and it continued to do fairly well. A lot of young people (target audience) don't even watch t.v. shows on t.v. so although this might feel like a demotion I don't think it spells the end for either Vampire Diaries or The Originals. Viewers who love both shows will find a way of watching them either Friday or on another platform. Of course it will all depend on the writing especially on TVD with one of the main characters having left it has to continue to be about reinvention without taking away from the core of the story which is all about the Salvatore Brothers' enduring bond. Consideration has to be given to actors' age as well, they're both getting a little long in the tooth (still very handsome) but portraying eternally youthful vampires can become a bit of a stretch eventually. That's a problem which the brothers don't have on Supernatural.
For a Thanksgiving episode, I found it to be quite depressing and dreary. The team wasn't together, in fact it showed them all going in different directions.
No panic, some time ago they were on fridays, too. and then moved back to thursdays.
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