This episode was very hard to watch. It brought forth raw emotions. Dominic and Natalie showed maturity by putting aside all their resentments, and coming through for April in her time of need. We will have to wait and see how Dominic plays it from here. Will miss Leo's presence. He was a strong character. When a show is as realistic as this one is, happy endings are not a given. We will continue to follow April's journey with her, and care, no matter the outcome.
Yes, "badass" is the word I've had in mind since seeing this episode! I really did think that Stephen McHattie's character in S1 was Quinlan, and was disappointed: a) that the character I thought of as Quinlan was someone else;b) that Stephen McHattie, whose ironic delivery is really pretty special, was no longer playing this character; andc) that they killed off the vamp commandos. But the real Quinlan is so. bloody. cool. I sense echos of Blade - part monster, part human, badass (there's that word again) good guy. What a (somewhat vampiric) mensch. The season is gathering steam and I'm still hooked. I am so hoping that they get to finish the full 5 seasons they have in mind; I'm not sure how I'd handle the PTSD of having this one canceled prematurely. I'm still recovering from losing Brimstone in 1999, not to mention Firefly, and for that matter, In The Flesh.
Zoo is that rare show that keeps you guessing on who is who and what is what. I said last week that I thought that Delavenne was not a bad guy and that Brannigan would be from this point on. Well, so much for my detective skills on this show. Delavenne is clearly bad and Brannigan is an up and up agent. Again however, it's refreshing that our protagonists are all very competent and not maddeningly stupid.The show is definitely ratcheting up the action. I think we all felt the baby was safe, but how disturbing was that drop of blood on the birds beak when it was looking in at the baby.
The thing is, none of the bad guys have had any experiences with seeing the animals when they are attacking so they do not believe what the good guys are saying.
It's true! I was positive that Delavane wasn't a bad guy, and that Brannigan was. And how quickly Delavane turned on them! Any chance you think he'll pull a switcheroo, like Mitch?
I hadn't thought of that. If he does though, then he'll almost certainly fall into the old "thought he was good but he's really bad but he does good at the end to redeem himself" scenario. Now I would normally say he's a dead man as a result of that but if I've learned anything from Zoo, it's that they at least try not to follow the "old" anything!
I just feel like Delavane will have a change of heart, and end up helping them again. It seems almost too shocking that he'd end up being a bad guy!
This was by far the best episode yet. I think Piper has to be involved somehow. Kieran is too much of an easy suspect because of the movies. I do think Brooke could be in on it.
I don't think they should name the baby after Jerry, since Jerry was significant in Andy and Sam's life and not known to Marlo. I agree that Maya seemed perfect, especially since we are not sure whether the baby will carry the surname Cruz or Swarek or both.
Tyrant is one of my favorite series'. I hope crazy Jamal is around a little longer, but he will deserve his end. (Unless maybe he commits an honorable suicide, like giving his life for his country.)
I was actually dreading that the birds would hurt the baby. In the first episode, I thought the lion attacks were credible. Zoo is getting really exciting and I hope it ends that way.
The lion attacks were credible, that's true. I'm wondering if it'll go full circle with more lions at the end? I was literally sitting on my couch, with my hands over my mouth shaking my head. I didn't think they'd harm a baby, but still... to kill its mother that way was seriously disturbing. But I think that's good! Zoo has really hit a very exciting stride... I hope its audience comes back to see how it ends. They're really missing out if they don't!
i think both sides of the isle should just stop this non sense of bullying and counter bullying....it is just sickening. I do not see anything wrong in people wanting to see Ziva back....she was in the show for 8 years for crying out loud, a big part of Tony's life.....and weather some of you like it or not Tony loved her and most likely still do. She made such a great impact on the show and those of you who do not like her and who do not want her back just has to accept that there are tons of people who still want to see her back and be back with Tony. And when is someone expressing a different opinion from yours a bully? i do not get it. I see a lot of comments here expressing anger and disappointment with Cote for what? Of course she was asked to promote a show at CBC no less shown right after NCIS....why do you guys think CBS did that? I do not think people who do not like her should blame her for CBS milking the issue of her leaving NCIS. Did you guys think she made up the questions asked her? She was interviewed and she has to answer the question what else should she have done differently? She wanted to stay longer for a few more episodes but it was the management of NCIS who refused her offer. Obviously she did not have a say on the matter. What more could she have said that most of you will not milk out into something negative and hateful? If people who want Cote back on the show need to grow up and get over it....then most of you who do not want her back should also grow up and accept the fact that there are people who would like to see her back on the show because she did a marvelous job, that Tony and Ziva's story has just begun and deserve a longer narrative and that these people who exhibits Zivaism has the right to petition and talk about her even 2 , 4 8 years later because that is how important she is to the show in their eyes. Do not make these people think that they have no right to express what they think and feel about her.
Guns, explosions and people dying are standard TV tropes to boost ratings. If people watched the show specifically for Ziva's story the ratings would have dropped like a stone when she left. They didnt. The show moved on and remained ranked much were it had been for the previous few years. And yes much of the Ziva online interactions is orchestrated. I've seen calls go out on twitter for people to come to facebook or here or elsewhere to 'back someone up'. When CSI fans launched a campaign against the show JorJa Fox stepped in and made clear she didn't not support them. When Ziva fans attacked cast and crew on social media Cote did nothing. Cote is not responsible for her fans behavior. However she is responsible for her decision to do nothing to stop them. Particularly when her fans openly stated that they were taking her silence as support for the 'revenge they were seeking in her name' As for Tiva, there was no big love affair. The show played about with hings etc but it was never going to happen because EVERYONE associated with the show knew it would kill it dead and openly said so.
I feel no animosity at all towards Cote. Why should I? She is nothing to do with me. AndnZiva is a fictional character who no longer exists. I blame Cote for failing to step in when people she claimed as her friends were being harassed in her name. That is not the behavior of a reasonable person or a good friend. If I'm blind to the Tiva love affair I'm in good company. Michael Weatherly, he who plays the T of Tiva, pointed out recently that it had never existed and what fans were seeing was nothing more than projection Bombs, Guns and people being killed off are the three most commonly used storylines to boost ratings. Prior to that, the season was all over the place ratings wise. If, on the other hand people were tuning in exclusively to see Ziva then the ratings would have dropped like a stone when she left. As it is they barely blipped and the 2 years following her leaving have been among the show's most successful Whatever people tune in for its not Ziva.
I'm sorry but that 'abba' scream was one of the worst cases of over-acting the show has ever seen. There was no love affair between Tony and Ziva. It existed only in the minds of Tiva fans. Its fine to ask for respect for opinons but that respect needs to be mutual. Dogpiling every comment on every site with complaints about the current cast and forcing anyone who wants to talk abut current spoilers and episodes to wade through essays about how awful the show is without Ziva is not showing respect.
I think maybe you should sort out fact from opinion before stating the former as the latter. The interview Cote gave directly after leaving NCIS made clear it was she who limited the time she made available for her leaving. Yes its perfectly fine for Cote to use her NCIS fame to promote a new show. However, what is not fine is to take those interviews and use them as a cudgel to batter the show and other fans with to try and force them into telling turning the NCIS clock back. Tony and Ziva's story has not just begun. It is over. Cote chose to leave the show and the show moved on without her character. Just as it did when Sasha chose to leave. No one says people can't express their opinion on anything at all. However there is a radical difference between expressing an opinion and orchestrating a media campaign to try and force the show into following the dictates of a small group of obsessives by trying to drowning out all other opinions.
it maybe done for you because obviously you are not for them, but for most of us who believe in Tiva it will never be over....i think you are too naive if you think some fans hashtagging certain things on the show is a form of orchestration of downing the show. Common it is still up there in the ratings so i do not see your point in thinking that. Just because certain fans like me still obsess about Tiva 2 years after Cote left must tell something about how powerful their chemistry is. No one talks much about Kate and Tony even right after Kate died so i did not see your point there. The fact that Ziva did not die and is just a plane ride away from Israel means that there is big chance for them. In our minds there is and you just have to accept and respect that. Just look at the number of videos about them and the number of views. You can not show we are a small group of obsessive TIva fans.For you to belittle Cote's contribution in the show is quite reflective of how you feel about her. Might i remind you that the episode where her father died was the most watched episode of NCIS. Also i do not get your point on blaming Cote about the fans battering the show. Really, now it is Cote's fault ? Common, no matter what anyone say about the show, about the casts about the story, someone will always have an opinion , good or bad you just have to learn how to accept them, defend them if you must but i think it is wrong for you to blame someone who has not said anything bad at all about the show nor its fans just plain wrong.
Jackie died in that ep too. To constantly complain again and again about Cote's departure and to blame where there's no blame, is not only irritating but obsessive to the detriment of the rest of the cast. And yes many of Cote's army and such have said ugly things, about the other cast members. I know that no one is to blame for Cote's departure, do you? They are the ones who need to learn to accept and move on, the rest of us already have. No peace without acceptance that things have changed, let's face it and move on. I've never belittled Cote's contribution, but she made a choice, need to move on and stop attaching conspiracy theories to it.
and you think the reason it was the highest rating episode is because Jackie died? i am sorry but i think you are wrong there. It was a compelling story about a complicated character that was superbly acted by Cote and the rest of the team. It amazes me how those of you who seems to have so much anger about her and the people who like her can not even seem to give credit where credit is due. I also do not get why you want people who like Cote so much and her character on the show and Ziva's relationship with Tony bothers you so much. You moved on good for you....the show has tried to move on and with good ratings good for NCIS, but why do you think you have to force everyone to do and think and feel what you want them to feel instead of respecting their thoughts and feelings? you think that's mature and reasonable?
It's not mature to continue to pine for something that cannot be. They had to move beyond Ziva, to let the show go forward. I have no anger towards her, it's the irrational anger that spewed forth by her fans that has set people off. For instance Pauley wears an I love my job shirt a few weeks after the original announcement and is savaged on the Twitter verse. MH is harangued for months as if he and GG somehow were responsible for her departure. 80 yr old DMcC puts in his two cents about how he feels that she's making a mistake , talk about elder abuse. I've said this before respect is earned. Thus far I've seen little that deserves respect. Oh and I didn't say that it was highly rated because of Jackies death ,I said that she died too. And who was the show runner?GG. Oh and there was no relationship, there was the eternal tease. Rule 12 would never allow it to be. They were more like squabbling siblings, with a little smoky sensuality, but it was Cote who made the decision and that ended it. Craving for it and savaging the others including the cast, crew and even their characters played doesn't make sense.
oh please, so you think it is not mature for me to wish that everyone get along? os that there is world peace? what is not mature are fans eating not just each others but the stars that they hate and love to hate.And before you say you don't have animosity towards Cote just stop your nonsense already since your posts point to it . Also don't go spewing around non sense about Cote just because you think your favorite stars on the show are in your opinion being attacked unfairly by some fans....you are basically doing the same thing that they are doing which actually basically makes you the same irrational fan that you detest. With regards to TIVA, you perceive what you perceive and i i will leave you at that but i think you should not chastise people for believing that they are in love or at least Tony was and probably is. In my heart they will always be together and i will always wish and hope that one day Ziva will be back with him and i think i have the right to say that and want that without being bullied and harassed by other fans like you who think otherwise.
Omg, don't you get it , it was Cote herself who ended it when she left and MW said that it would never likely happen. You don't think that berating someone and bringing up their parents isn't harassment, by the way one of mine is dead thanks for asking. I want everyone to get along too but that requires those who have viscerally attacked the cast to stand down. Where have I spewed noncense about Cote, I really liked her and her character, but to quote Abby, she left us and it sucks, but we have to move on. I have never attacked Ms De Pablo, and to continue to carry on about that will just get you no where. It's been two yrs now, that's some shows total lifetime. None of my posts have animus towards her, actually bitter disappointment at most, stop fantasizing about my posts. My pissyness has been directed at those who attack MH,GG ,PP and MW who has already shot the Tiva theory through the the heart. They have rights too. When you abuse them it's not their fictional characters you attack it's a group of real life people. Some of them aren't on social networks, and I will not abide people getting away with abusing them. The worst I've ever said about Ziva was that she was superwoman which didn't make her any more believable than Bishop who is the counter. Ziva is a fictional character as is Bishop, Cote is a beautiful actress as is Emily. As for Tiva you can continue to dream, but stop insulting the cast . Oh gee I guess I just pinned something you didn't do just like you've tried to pin the same on me. Sucks doesn't it. By the way if it was most of us who wanted Tiva obsessively why does the show still pull in 18mil viewers. You may think that you aren'tbeing condensending towards others but just like me, you are.
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sorry your posts will never be in my fantasy. our views are way too different but that does not mean you do not have a right to them. Do not do onto others what you do not want others do onto you. Everyone should just live that way. World peace:)
I agree we won't see eye to eye on Tiva, others should take your advice, and stop disparaging the other actors. Funny the same people are for the most part more mild on Facebook at least of late, it's on Disqus they seem to let it all out. And of course,at each other
well you can speak for yourself. Again our perception have differed greatly. Like what they said beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and maybe my perception is perceived by the many others who have watched it making it the most watched show in the history of NCIS. With regards to the TIVA love affair, we differ again. IS that why Tony followed her to Israel and stayed there for 2 months? is that why they kissed passionately before he boarded the plane? Is that the reason Abby had to talk to Tony about the reason why he is lonely?Their love affair in my mind and the mind of the other TIVA fans exist and I assume in the mind of the writers as well. As for Michael Weatherly, of course he is going to say there is none. Cote left the show, and the show is trying to move on with out the memory of Ziva hanging around. Cote's return is uncertain and at this point without that certainty, they have to point to that direction. I love Michael, i know he is a special friend of Cote and they are in touch all the time. I hope he will be one of the reasons why Cote will opt to return and make us TIVA fans happy again. With regards to the others, that is their opinion and frankly mine too....is just not the same for me with Ziva. The same way you have the right to say you love the show without her, we have the right to say that the show is not the same without her. That's just how some of us feel and you just have to accept that.
Now I agree with you that the show is not the same, just as it wasn't after Sasha left. It's neither worse or better just different. Tony started out rudderless , in 11 and now has rediscovered a friend who was his first Ziva. He has a type for sure. Even they fantasized about Tony and Kate as a couple, message being that what could have been didn't get to be, because other things happened that were unavoidable. Reality crashes up against you, the fans, we can't control it any more than Gibbs could, or can. That's why I'm excited about the new season, ain't no one gonna kill my joy on 9/22/15 at 20:00:00.question why can't you accept the alter of what you insist that the rest of us are supposed to accept to appease your group. You won't accept the counter, so?... Why must others bend to yours.that doesn't sound like world peace esp when some of yours still savage some of the actors and producers.
sorry but i speak only for myself and what i think. People have the right to their own thinking and the right to express them as they want. How you perceive those thinking and how you react to them is up to you and yours alone. I am not asking you to accept my thinking. I am just telling you that you should respect other peoples point of view instead of nagging and bullying them of how they should think and feel and want. World peace:)
You can feel and want what you want, just don't fantasize as others have that the other actors and producers are keeping you from achieving your implied goal , and rake them over the coals on social media. Peace out
But your comments are every bit as nagging and bullying as anything else posted on either side of the subject.
You reasoning is up hte creek if you are honestly claiming that a scene none of the viewers knew about before watching is hte reason they watched. Particularly when it focused on a character that left a few months later without any sort of marked viewer reaction. If Ziva was the only reason they tuned in why did they continue to watch in the same sort of numbers 2 years after she left? Unless I'm remembering the episode wrongly, Tony was sent to Israel by Gibbs. Prior to them they'd been out of touch for over 6 months. However you've made no case whatsoever for Ziva being in love with Tony. She dumped him to prove herself worthy for another man. And Michael has been saying Tiva would be a disaster for the show long before Cote left. He also called ziva a sociopath at one point. He and all of the rest of the cast, apart from Cote, have all gone on record repeatedly as saying Tiva would be a disaster for the show. And no you don't know he is a special friend of Cote and you have no idea what sort of contact they have. You know exactly what they chose to share on social media. Nothing more and nothing less than any other fan. The very fact that NONE of them knew there was a problem with negotiations until her leaving was announced suggests the exact opposite in fact. You have the right to say what you like. But so does everyone else. Neither changes the facts. Cote left. She's been gone for 2 years and NOTHING has been said by anyone associated with the show to suggest they are interested in her returning. By all means post wherever you like saying you want her back. However, accept that everyone else can also post there saying how irritating they find your posts because they have the same rights you do.
i guess no matter how people reason with you you have made up your mind. I am surprised at the animosity you feel towards Cote/Ziva. I have always believed that the more people respond to something the more the frenzy is fed. I think for you to blame Cote for staying of clear of controversy is uncalled for...but then you feel what you feel and i just have to accept that.The last 8 years with her on the show must be torture for you though. If you are blind to the TIVA love affair that is your perception and choice....but do not belittle the hundreds of thousands and maybe millions of us who disagree with you. BTW if explosion is the only reason for the high ratings don't you think the episode where they bombed the NCIS headquarters should top it? Just saying....
Pot, meet kettle. You have made up your mind as well; the only difference being you insist yours is the only valid opinion. And it is telling that in both your replies to Claire you felt the need to attack her personally, and using phrasing that is suspiciously common to other supporters of "the cause". I'm getting the distinct whiff of dirty socks here...
The Kiki-Ron thing was pretty funny.Good case of the week.
I liked Two and a Half Men the series, but, I felt the finale was terrible. Kathy Bates won an Emmy for playing the ghost of Charlie Harper on the show, however in the last episode Charlie Harper is alive, so what was the explanation for Kathy Bates' character? Of course Charlie Sheen was not in the last episode and it really looked as though Chuck Lorre was still holding a grudge and looking like a jerk at the end of the program. Not funny in the least, and a real letdown. Not a "winning" episode, but, a lost waste of time for everyone involved, especially the viewers.
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