I didn't find Cole attitude towards Alison's grams as dismissive...I saw a man who once was deeply hurt, and did not want to go through the same pain again. Kind of what Noah told her at the hospital...it feels as the same pain, but it's not... Maybe I am naive, but I do think that in this situation, Cole cares more about Alison, than Helen...I think Helen is more concerned about not having her perfect happy-ending or perfect safe life. Suddenly, I do not perceive her as a strong woman at all...while in couple therapy, I felt they were pathetic...
Bushi101, Winter, Sojourner, Carissa, and other postersI had dinner tonight with pals my wife called to take me out. I had a particularly difficult day at work because of the type of procedures I had to perform and the age of the patients. It was a day of cleaning up after violence. Horrendous. Now for the discussions at dinner. One of my longest suffering friends is a professor of psychiatry at UCLA. He, I, and a Ob. Gyn. pal of mine went out for an Italian orgy at Bucca di B------. During dinner we discussed, at my urging, the consequences of adultery and the causes from their perspective with dealing with females. Boy do they have a different perspective. Both these guys are in their mid-50's and have been divorced and now remarried. The Shrink is of the opinion that once a female has rationalized the act of adultery in her mind, the actual committal of the act is quite simple. The difficulty is in the mental justification and the inner turmoil which occurs when a woman contemplates cheating. In his and the Ob's opinion, a woman thinks far longer about the commission of the act than a man. Women, in their opinion, have a higher threshold to scale before commission of an affair. The Shrink (I use the term in a reverent manner), stated he has had literally hundreds of women in his practice who have admitted to or desired counsel about adultery. The reasons run the gamete of what we have been discussing. The most common explanations have been loneliness, lack of sexual contact with spouse, wishing larger variety of sexual experience, monotony of relations, boredom, anger at spouse, or retaliation for spouses' infidelity. Interestingly, adulteresses, the Gyn. stated as his opinion, rarely stop at one affair if undiscovered. The Gyn. had a patient (no names ever), who had carried on simultaneous affairs with 2 different men all working in the same high rise in L.A. On a least 2 occasions the woman had contracted an STD, but not a mandatorily reportable one. She of course had transmitted the joy to her 3 partners. They could treat the STD with RID (so you can diagnosis the ailment). Both gentlemen, were of the opinion that women were far better at keeping the affairs secret than men. In fact, the Shrink could only recall a handful of women patients who were discovered in the course of the affair. Most of the women had affairs, and then returned to their spouses without incident... Even the multi-occasion offenders were rarely discovered. Am I giving guys reason for concern? Affairs apparently are commonplace and quite easy to disguise. The patients were representative of all age groups (20's, 30's to 70's). One of the patients of the Gyn. had an affair with the same person the husband had slept with (a woman). The Shrink stated that the adultery rate among U.S. married women approaches 30% in the studies which he has read. That is rather shocking, but not according to him, since the divorce rate exceeds 50% in the general population. One of the Gyn.'s patients used her affairs to experiment with different sexual techniques and even varieties of condoms and sex toys. He stated that this patient cheated for a least 3 years before returning to her husband exclusively. My Shrink pal said that his ex-wife cheated with some one we all know (before we were pals), but that he will forever keep that name a secret, because the guy has remained cordial and his ex no longer lives in the State. I have no idea who the guy is, because I think I know my friends really well. He must be just a person I know but am not friendly with. I told my wife about my dinner discussion, and she was not particularly surprised about the Shrink's observations. She said that it was common knowledge that females have a higher threshold to the commission of adultery. My wife has always tried to refrain from discussing the sex lives of her friends with me. She is very protective of her friends. She actually has little or no interest in the intimate contacts of my friends either. The only one she keeps track of is me, and she knows that I give her little cause for concern. None of the aforementioned reasons for cheating exist for me. Thankfully, I have way too much trouble keeping up with my wife's demands. But I keep the Hall Pass list up to date, just in case. Ha Ha!
Comment modified at December 18, 2014 07:00
Your post ended at " During dinner we discussed, at my urging, the consequences of adultery and the causes from their perspective of dealing with females." There must be more to the story. p.s. Since I develop surgical equipment I have observed many surgeries. The one thing that struck me was that when there are operations on children things get very quiet and serious. Struck me as a very good sign.
Sorry Sojourner.I was called away and had to finish my post after some delay. Work calls seem to never cease.
All of this leads us to a question that has been bothering us and may never be answered in season 2 or 3. What were the circumstances that led to Grace engaging in an affair with Simon? Did they have sex on the occasion when Grace rode her bike over to Simon's apartment (in which case, she scaled the threshold pretty quickly from the night before) or was there a bit of a seduction that may have taken a while (days?) before Grace gave into her carnal hunger and rationalized that she was entitled to enter into the affair. Did the sex take place on a subsequent meeting? We may never know. Also, how and when did the fact that Simon was a professional escort come up? Was it before the first encounter or did it come up after the encounter so that Grace knew subsequent encounters was going to cost $600? I'm betting that she didn't have $600 in her pocket.
I was one that didn't care for the assassination of Finn's character. He went from pacifist to murderer in a blink of an eye. It looked like for the sole purpose of dumping his character from the show and giving Clarke another big moment. At this rate she is going to single handedly tame the wild world of earth. It was just a little too melodramatic for my taste.
Comment modified at December 18, 2014 15:03
It only takes a blink of an eye to change your life sometimes though it happens a lot in war and in everyday life
That is true but since this is a TV show there has to be some sort of character development showing the warning signs to the audience. The producers have stated that they are trying to emulate TWD. I hope that doesn't mean killing off major characters just for shock value with no real story to back it up. And for the record I love this show but we have had a great character in Anya killed for no particular reason other than to replace her with the same character and now Finn is snuffed to give Clarke another emotional leader of the pack moment. It didn't further the story it just eliminated an unpopular character. Why Anya had to die defies reasoning unless she wanted off the show.
Honestly I'm disgusted, this is the same thing that happened on Gossip Girl. Fans bitched, moaned, complained, did everything they could to vilify Dan Humphrey when he was with Blair and excusing every deplorable action Chuck did all so that the writers could "remove" him. The writers conceded, decimating Dan's character. I'm seeing history repeating itself with this show.
I've never watched Gossip Girl, but I have a difficult time seeing that show and The 100 being even in the same conversation regarding "history repeating itself." If you're talking about shippers (I'm guessing here), I don't believe The 100 writers do anything to satisfy shippers, if anything, it's the opposite. They have the story they want to tell and tell it despite the wishes of some fans.
I remember that show. Dan is really dry as in boring. I guess I blame the actor. This show is directed by Rothenberg not Julia Plec.So I don't understand the comparison.
what I don't like about this is that most people predicted it from the promos and the flashback. It is a given that this means death. Plus it seems to me that the producers have did the massacre which was so out of character for Finn in order to gratify the Twitter brigade who want Bellarke. It is sad to watch so many shows which seem to follow this rather than write coherent fleshed out characters. I just watched the whole of series one and Bellamy was responsible for killing the 320 people because he destroyed the radio in the first season but twitter loves him. I won't be watching this show anymore as I really liked Finn and the producer gave him this episode to try and restore his character after decimating it before.
I don't see this amazing chemistry people keep talking about the only 2 couples that seem to have chemistry is Raven/Wick and Kane/Abby
Have you read the novel don't want to spoil anything but in the book there is no Finn or Raven and Bellamy is Finn in the book. Book 3 comes out in a few months great read. The 1st one is not the best it's ok but the following one is really good. Kass Morgan is the author. With his death it should bring a truce with the Grounders. When watching SOA Opie's death killed me loved his character but I kept watching sometimes a death like that can be a catalyst for a great storyline.
Agreed. And even if the showrunner and writers do decide to move in the direction of pairing Clarke and Bellamy, Finn's death is not a prerequisite.
I agree and I have noticed this also, not just on twitter, but on other sites (here included). Bellamy was responsible for the deaths on the Ark out of a selfish motive and not one fan holds him responsible, yet Finn killed 18 because he legitimately had a "psychotic break" and suddenly every man, woman, and child with a mobile device wants his head. Except the truth is it's not the fact that Finn killed 18 Grounders that gets these fans all mad at Finn, it's because he exists and is a threat to Bellarke that he "must go" because of his actions. Yet if it were ANYONE else, hell if it were Bellamy, we wouldn't have seen that outright hatred displayed towards a character. This is a FACT. If it were Bellamy he would've been given a pass
I'm not sure where you've seen that on this site. I've always held that Bellamy was responsible in part for the culling on the Ark because he took the radio, he also shot Jaha. Jasper was responsible for the war because he sparked it at the bridge. Clarke was responsible for the Grounders' deaths at the drop ship. Finn did kill the 18 Grounders, but he thought he was doing it to save the 48 taken and missing, including Clarke. Should he have died for that? No. By the end, did Clarke make the right decision to kill him? I think so. He sacrificed himself to the Grounders. He made that decision. She tried to save him and couldn't so she did what she could. She prevented his suffering. I'll miss Finn, but I believe the ending to his story felt realistic given the situation.
I totally agree with you. Everyone in the 100 has had a second chance and been redeemed its just unfortunate that Finn had to go as per most fans wishes. Its like people were out for him the moment the show aired. According to something i read on another site; Finn is not part of the book series and in the books Bellamy and Wells were Clarke's love interest and since Wells already died they've only got Bellarke to ship now so thus the creation of Finn's character and him being a love interest of Clarke to begin with were two strikes too many for them(fans) to accept.
I never even read the books so i didn't have a clue who ended up with who.That being said,bellarke chemistry is off-the-charts,finn-clarke is nowhere near them in comparison.P.S-i kinda liked finn's character,so not a hater!
I've also got nothing against Bellamy, like him a lot... Bellarke's got chemistry but so does Flarke. I guess the bottomline is each to his own definition of chemistry.
Exactly,i'm just thanking the creators for not killing bellamy.I will go insane if that actually happens!LOL!
Lol like am currently going insane over Finn's death? Was out of it for almost ten minutes!!! Even though i did see it coming, it was just too emotional for me..
I feel for you,i felt the same way for revenge mid-season finale when daniel died!
Yeah you won't believe the weird relationship i have with Revenge. I don't watch it but do follow it on reviews and synopsis to catch up with what going on.. In all my readings of it i had a soft spot for Dan and he became my favorite. and the funniest thing is i spent hours commiserating with a friend about his death when i've never seen an episode of his. so so weird i knw. Thus you can imagine how Finn's death is gonna affect me.
OMG!Really!That's a first!Anyway,i have dropped the show permanently now that i know emily is gonna end up with that male mary sue jack(ass) in the end as the End-game couple!Yuck!
Haha then I should really thank my lucky stars that i never watched it. Henceforth i can save my energy reading it.
I never even noticed these couple's chemistry until u mentioned them!To each his/her own,i guess!
I'm sick of seeing people upset at Finn's demise blame it at the door Bellarke shippers door. The showrunner himself has said that this has been planned even before filming began for this season, so unless you think the writers and producers have been planning a way to placate Bellarke shippers since S1 and over the hiatus, it silly to suggest this is some sort shipper related event. It's one thing for the shippers to cry out 'Finn be gone' and whatever, they're entitled to that viewpoint. It's quite another to suggest the writers of this incredible show are kowtowing to that brigade when that isn't the case at all.
I would hope the writers/producers wouldn't cater to a certain 'ship' while developing the plot. I do think it likely that when they were picked up for season 2 they probably took a good hard look at how the audience was responding to each character, and unfortunately, because of how they chose to develop his character in season 1, Finn was one of the least liked. So going forward I think the writers had a huge task ahead, because the way they'd written his character thus far just didn't seem to be working. They could have played it safe with Finn, had him continue as a series regular, maybe hoped to keep his character arc of peacekeeper, love interest going, maybe gradually making him darker. They could have given up on the love story with Clarke and found another purpose for him (I would have loved to see a Finn/Bellamy bromance and adventure squad shenanigans myself, which episode 201 made me think I was getting, but oh well *cries*). Or go in a much darker and extreme direction and use his devotion to and love for Clarke as a catalyst, a sacrificial lamb, to add fuel to the fire of the main character's arc, because god knows, Clarke, even though she's now technically free of romantic entanglements and to some degree better able to lead, will be battling some serious demons now. I feel your pain though. Finn was one of my favorite characters, and I was a bit upset at what seemed like an unprecedented and rushed change in his character this season, even though I think I understand the intention. I'm still sort of in shock at the death scene, even though I pretty much saw it coming; really death was the only outcome after what happened and for all that I'm upset over it, Eliza and Thomas were amazing in that scene. So heartwrenching. I thought Thomas McDonell did an amazing job and I will sorely miss him.
Your theory would've been so amazing to see being played out on screen. Finn's love for Clarke is just too good to waste on a couple of episodes. It could have been used to develop so many other facets of his character and the show. This is just a total waste of Tom's acting skills. He could have gone for many more seasons and the show would've still been awesome.
I thought Raven was the 1 to die for sure but so glad that didn't happen
This really was epic! Let's hope his death will be the catalyst to rescue the 40 something from the mountain. It will be so interesting to see how Clarke and Raven adjust to their loves death.
The Clarke and Raven thing is going to be sad but also exiting but i know it will be great coz i think Lindsey Morgan and Eliza Taylor are the best actors in the cast
The show got a S7 so they could tie up loose ends. They have now put Erica back in prison and let us know Mashburn is ancient history for Lisbon. He was there mainly to show Lisbon had something of a normal life outside the CBI and they might have written him in as a possible Red John. Same with Kristina Frye. There is another loose end, and Jane did have some feelings for her. Will they bring her out of her catatonic state for a psychic related episode that shows how Jane has changed? I hope so. And yes, the show could give us a bit more physical closeness between Jane and Lisbon, but it's OK as-is. They've been running on enforced neutral for 10 years in story time so maybe they need some time to work out of that platonic habit. Or not. I can see why they keep it out of the FBI office for now. Too embarrassing and hard to explain after the sudden break-off with Pike. Besides, Jane doesn't need to get physical. Simon can show with his eyes everything Jane is thinking. I had no problem reading "memories of last night" in some of Jane's expressions as he looked at Lisbon in Blue Skies.
I always thought Mashburn was a way for Lisbon to stick it to Jane, actually. Jane pushed her at Mashburn -- "Lisbon could use a little empty glamor" and, at the party/set-up in the second episode he was in: "Here is Walter's girlfriend, Teresa Lisbon" etc. It may have been unconscious, but I think Jane was trying to set her up with Mashburn because he couldn't bring himself to act on whatever his own feelings for her were, he wanted her to be happy and thought blowing off some steam with Mashburn would be good for Lisbon. He probably also wanted some distance from his own feelings. For her part, Lisbon was definitely attracted to Mashburn, but also annoyed with Jane's attitude and the whole situation he had put her in. That probably includes her own unspoken awareness of her feelings and attraction for Jane and his for her and the impossibility of it ever amounting to anything.The one night stand was kind of an "I'll show Jane!" She never intended to take the connection with Mashburn any further, though Mashburn probably wanted to. If he called her again after that night, I think Lisbon would have been "too tied up with work" to hook up with him again.I think these two have been in love with each other probably from long before the start of the series, but it was never spoken of or acknowledged. Jane didn't have any significant feelings for Kristina Frye. They went on one bad date and then she was kidnapped by Red John. He was sick with guilt over the circumstances, not over his feelings for Kristina. I think he WAS attracted to Lorelei, but she was primarily a means to an end and someone else he felt guilt over.
This was an amazing, fantastic episode and this reviewer is a moron for not seeing it. Sean Murray should get an Emmy for his performance.
I don't think fin is dead I say the bloody knife to but she could have easy cut him or her self.
Sorry, but it's been confirmed by The 100 writers and EP Jason Rothenberg that Finn is dead.
Yeah i am still trying to force myself to accept the fact that he's dead... Given myself so many excuses: That Clarke has a plan or that she just gave him a temporary death so that he could be revived later on. Now am asking myself how can i continue without him. Sucks!
Finn wasn't my favorite character in this series, but I appreciated his opposing viewpoint and desire for peace in the first season. I think I might actually miss him a little bit now that he's gone.
Sign up for our
and receive the latest tv news delivered to your inbox for
© 2014 TV Fanatic
TV Fanatic Plus
Sign up for our daily newsletter to receive personalized television news for