Back in the last round of comment when the number of comments hit 250 (that is more than an order of magnitude more than other reviewers receive), I Told Carissa the she had created a monster. Part of it might be luck. Part of it might be that men are drawn to the show because it is told from a male perspective. Part of it may be because men like to analyze thing, especially men with technical backgrounds. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I believe that most of the credit, or blame :), lies with Carissa. I could have started posting at a lot of sites but I picked this one. Not that it helps Carissa that much. I suspect that online TV reviewers are graded on the number of hits they receive and 250 probably isn’t that significant. Plus, all those comments might be more trouble than they are worth. I used to be a mod on a political forum and it wasn’t that much fun. This is the first time that I have commented on a TV show and I really enjoyed it. Thank you to Carissa and the other commenters for making it so interesting. p.s. If a post that I made at 3 AM doesn’t make much sense, please give me a pass. There may have been alcohol involved.
Haha! As a writer, editor and moderator on TV Fanatic, this is the stuff I live for. Yes, it's nice to see a post reach 250k views. But if nobody comments on it (or they're only "this sucks" or "Great!") then my job is done at the post. As a fierce lover of television, movies, books and DEBATE (surprise!), I enjoy the interaction with others very much. Regardless of any money involved, it's all about the sense of community for me. I like bringing information to people and stimulating conversation. Ditto on the 3AM posts. Hey, a gal's gotta wine when she unwinds, ya know?
I don't know how you do it, but your reviews are finished within minutes of episode completion. Phenomonal.
Prior to watching this show and reading Carissa's reviews and the accompanying comments, I had never considered posting my thoughts. I appreciated the Carissa's witty and insightful reviews and the interesting and civil comments that were posted in response. While I have a good idea why men have watched this program and decided to post comments on this site, I wonder what women found compelling about the show. If you look at the Satisfaction USA site, it appears that a lot of women enjoyed the show and were as obsessive as we have become about it. I hope the females posters reading our comments will chime in and let us know how they feel on all of the topics that we have been discussing from their feelings/opinions of the main characters to the views on self-esteem and infidelity. We're probably be running out of steam in the future as we wait hopefully for news of a second season. Please chime in and let us know what you're thinking. I, for one, am very curious.
my wife will not be chiming in. She doesn't watch the show.
I also forgot to mention one thing that I noticed in my field of work. Women tend to be harder on other women and tend to be more judmental. I wonder if that explains some of the horrible comments that I saw women make on other sites that they hoped that Neil would shoot Grace in the finale. Scary! I'm happy that I didn't see any type of comments like that on this site or I think I would have just decided to fade away.
Tell me about the numbers on Hirsch's arm? Is he the hero's son? Were they the same numbers on his baby's arm?
I got from that scene that Judd's character was that baby Henry rescued from a WWII concentration camp in one of his flashbacks.
I have enjoyed this show since the beginning but the finale left me a little turned off. I really thought they were going to provide a few answers or some sort of closure in case there is no season 3 but they chose to end this season on a cliff hanger instead. I thought it was a god-send when three people managed to escape the dome earlier in the season. I was getting tired of the endless power struggles to see who was in charge of Chester's Mill and the escape was a refreshing (and unexpected) break from the monotony. I was hoping for some sort of mass escape in the last episode which could have become a series finale if they decided to end the show or it could have set up to a third season where we would be able to follow the lives of the characters after they got out. What if Big Jim survived and was loose on the outside? Lots of possibilities but I guess we will have to wait until next year to see how they handle it - if there is a next year.
I hope I'm not overdoing my welcome, but everyone seems to think that Grace may leave Neil for a time after discovering he had been an escort. In fact it may happen immediately in the first episode if we have a second season. Mallory's husband has to be explained. BUT, I don't think Grace will care much about Neil's affairs. After all, she has been in an affair with Simon for at least 6 months, and she knows Neil knows about her and Simon. However, she may be sufficiently miffed that she runs back to Simon, her other love, just to think things through and ask for his help in understanding her situation. Geez, what a mess. What do you think about Dylan in the second season? Grace's sister could tire of him, and he comes to Italy looking to pick back up with Grace.
If Grace hooks up with someone else, other than Simon or Neil, she basically has stepped into the slut category. She is still married and not separated, there is no justification for a Dylan hookup, other than they have an artistic connection and he is hot. If Grace is that easily conquered then Neil should examine his mental state and rent a room at Belview. Forgiveness is one thing, being a doormat is another. Acceptance of another affair, would mean that Neil suffers from a congenital lack of self esteem.
There is no way that Grace and Neil are going to go to Milan for that amount of time. That plan was hatched in a moment of euphoric madness. Grace will probably go with Neil's blessing. Neil can't leave his job for that period of time and someone needs to deal with Anika, and it shouldn't be Grace's sister.
Not sure how she'll react. But she does care about Neil having an affair because she found the Zen Master while seeking another woman. As I've said it before. If she continues with Simon whether they separate or not. If Neil puts up with it he has no backbone. If they separate then they can both go off on adventures but not with Simon or Adrianna if Grace finds out about her. Both would then be off limits in real life.
I didn't think the episode was THAT bad. I still enjoyed. I do agree about Penny's hair cut - not terribly flattering.For several seasons now, I've felt this show starts of slowly and then gradually finds its bearings as the season goes on. I also wouldn't mind some character development but all in all I think I enjoyed this more than most commenters.Penny's interview, especially the conclusion, was the best part.
Enjoyed the show. Refreshing to see a show inspired by DC comics that doesn't feature a superhero in a silly costume. I'm hoping the batman character never shows up, I really hate those costumes. All the actors are teriffic.
I'm a voracious reader of books, both print and audio. I'm fascinated with the different way male and female writers describe sex scenes which are almost always required in order to sell novels. There is now a genre call erotic thrillers. These are written mostly by women. Look at the tremendous popularity of "Fifty Shade of Grey". I got through the first book, but didn't see fit to read the other two. I agree with Carissa that Satisfaction is almost entirely from the male perspective. There are so many emotional and mental threads in this series that we don't have time to discuss each one. We've briefly explored the meaning of love. I'd like to ask you guys for the meaning of forgiveness. Many of you have used the term for explaining Neil's hope that Grace will admit her indiscretions (like Kristen Stewart?) and that will repair their marriage. I don't think Grace wants or cares about forgiveness. The reason for my question is a set of two books written by Nelson DeMille, "The Gold Coast", and "The Gate House". The first was written in 1990, and the second came out in 2008 that is a belated sequel. There is a very small subplot that actually reflects the overriding main plot. A woman has an affair with the owner of an estate while her husband (George) is off to war (world war I). When George comes home the affair ends, but the owner lets them live in the gate house for the rest of their lives. The owner dies (he was older), and when the woman's husband dies, the main character, John, finds her crying at the tombstone of the owner, after burying her husband. She says that he (the owner) loved her and she loved him, and that she would see him again. Eventually, John asked her if George knew about the affair, and she said yes, and that George had forgiven her. If the party asking for forgiveness is not sorry, how can she be forgiven?
I have forgiven others in my heart, so I could put the whole thing behind me and move on. I didn’t tell them I forgave them because they didn’t apologize so they really didn’t care if I forgave them.
Then what does it mean to forgive?
That is a tough question, maybe why no one has answered it. Ithink it depends upon the severity of the offense and who did it. I would have a hard time forgiving my enemies. I think, for me, adultery would be the hardest thing for meto forgive. I don’t like the terms affair, extramarital sex, and fling because I think they diminish the magnitude of the insult and offense. Maybe,instead of adultery, cuckoldry is a better word to portray the magnitude of the offense because it is a harsh and ugly word with much emotional content. I think that forgiveness is a process. If my wife cheated (how is that or a euphemism that diminishes the offense?) on me, it would go something like this: 1. I would be extremely angry. I would feel betrayed. I would be heart sick. I would contemplate doing violence against the man involved. 2. If I got through that without doing anything that I would regret, I would think about the life we have had together and cometo these conclusions: (of course if I didn’t come to these conclusion all bets are off.) a. My wife loves me. b. She is a good person and would never intentionally do anything to do me harm intentionally. c. We are all human and make mistakes. d. What good would it do to punish her? e. What good would it do we to hang on to all these negative emotion? f. Forgiving her will allow me to release all these emotions and move on with my life. g. Forgiveness. This doesn’t mean that we continue to live together or evenremain married. There is a huge trust issue that would have to be addresses and overcome. For me, I doubt that trust could ever be rebuilt. Even if it could, our marriage would never be the same. I do think that her coming to me and admitting the affair and asking forgiveness would mitigate the offense. If I found out about it first, it would only amplify the pain and humiliation. In this day and age the probably of her being able tokeep her adultery a secret would be small.
Allow me to say that Nelson DeMille is one of my favorite authors. I've read The Gold Coast more than once but won't do the same with the followup. Anyway... I think you can be forgiven even if you're not "sorry" in the way you're describing it. Her husband forgave her for being human, fallible and falling in love with two men. In his eyes that wasn't something to be sorry for. That doesn't mean it's the same for all couples, but every couple is as different as the individuals inside of it.
That explains a lot. Thanks for sharing.
I thought 50 shades of Gray didn't make sense. I was waiting for a story of O and was what?
I was hoping that Sheldon continue his train journey on himself and endure (or die trying) the harsh worldBut we have a ratboy coming back
Better than the finale of REVOLUTION. But, other than Big Jim's descent into lunacy, the rest of it was pretty lukewarm. I've watched this series since the beginning. Last night's finale felt like they are just throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks in case of renewal. There is no clear plan to any of it. By that, I mean butterflies. They gave us BUTTERFLIES at the peak moment of a finale episode. And a dripping wet Melanie. I didn't know whether to laugh at her moist face, or cry in frustration. The reason Big Jim's arc plays the best out of every character is because it's straight out of the book. Not only does the actor know what is going on w/the character, but it feels like the writers have some kind of handle on where he is going. That isn't the case w/everyone else. Julia is EXACTLY the same as she has been since day one. It's good that she's a decent sort. But, there's no *journey* with her. She just IS. They've never told us WHY she is so special. Barbie was given a bit more of a story. And, Junior. But, the writers are dropping major plot points when they are no longer convenient. The egg was SO important for 1.75 seasons. But, since they have no more ideas on what to do w/it - let's literally drop it off the face of the earth, never to be heard from again. Ditto Lyle, Angie & Pauline. I think the only way they can save this series is if they turn it into "Journey to the Center of the Earth." Go full-tilt crazy, and have the Chester's Mill citizens make their way to a world at the center of the Earth that is trying to get out, via an egg-shaped dome. Have them basically say, "Hey, we're sorry. It was just an experiment to see if we could live on the surface. We had no idea anyone else was out there. Our bad!"
"The writers will ... have to have a very slow build up between Paige and Walter...." Oh PLEASE no!!! Not another awkward romance between an attractive woman and some socially inept nerd/genius. We have three such couples already on TBBT and now it's also integral to the plot of Bones (with genders reversed--the attractive woman is the awkward genius). Some viewers WANT a romance to develop on "Elementary" and we have the makings of one on "NCIS" (McGee and Delilah). I"m not saying it would be unpleasant; I'm just saying it's been done. Maybe this show should separate itself by NOT succumbing to such a cliched backstory.
I don't understand the need for a romance on Elementary. I love them more as partners. I do agree with you. Scorpion DEFINITELY doesn't need a romance. I can just tell that the writers want to go there. I would prefer if Paige just took on the mom role. David Thaler
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