I love this series and in particular the pilot. And I have watched them add superfluous characters and side stories with frustration. This last episode was a blast from the past, a lot of fun. Others don't seem to like the Katrina character, but I'm beginning to see why she was placed. Everything seemed to start with her character. She created the horseman, broke up a solid friendship, brought everyone back to this century and despite the claims of how powerful she is, it seems her power is in manipulation. Look through the flashbacks and you'll see that she has helped to set everything in motion. I think this will eventually be a case of the bad witch claiming good. But one thing is clear; they need to clean house starting with the new Hawley character. It just slows the story and they don't need another weekly character. Guest actors could fill any gap they have. I have to say, it reminds me somewhat of the X-Files, but more on the goofy fun side. If they continue to follow the original blueprint and rely on the characters that make this show work, they'll be golden.
Golfingdocp, in response to your "additional note" I also wondered about the apparent inconsistency. As a result, in an earlier post, I acknowledged that we did not know how much time passed from Grace and Simon's sexual tryst in episode 1 to the scene when Grace pays off her remaining debt to Simon in episode 2 and therefore, they may have been additional trysts before Grace tried to end her relationship with Simon. However, it still doesn't make sense given the timeline that i detailed in another post,which I want to summarize here: 1. At the end of episode1, Grace calls Simon's cell phone but Neil has it.2. In episode 2, the Zen Master uses Simon's phone and sends Grace a message saying that he wants to meet soon. Grace get the Zen Master's text "Got your message. Let's meet soon." Grace replies "Thanks for getting back. When should we meet?" 3. Later that night, Neil and Grace are discussing Anika's situation. Later in the evening, Neil then sends Grace a text on Simon's setting up a meeting on Tuesday. Grace replies "Sounds Perfect".4. Simon then steals Neil's car and finds his cell phone. He looks at the text messages and realizes that Neil used the phone and has set up a meeting with Grace on Tuesday posing as Simon. Simon send Grace a text "We need to talk".5. At the end of episode 2, Grace arrives at Simon's apartment. Simon says "You got my message?" Grace gives Simon the rest of the money that she owes him and tells Simon that she doesn't want to see him anymore and that they're done. 6. In episode 3. after Neil has assaulted Simon, Simon tells Neil that Grace has broken off the relationship and doesn't want to see him. 7. Later on in episode 3, when Simon has tracked Grace down having a drink with her initial boss, we learn that Grace has not been returning Simon's call . Simon wants to warn Grace about Neil knowing about them but Grace tells Simon to go away and that she already paid him and it's the end of the story, 8. At the end of episode 4, Grace has a relapse and goes to Simon's apartment. 9. As shown in a daydream in episode 5, I got the feeling that the relapse was a singular event and that's the reason that Grace specifically felt that this was a mistake. Later on in the episode, Neil becomes aware that Grace has gone to Simon's apartment because of the parking ticket. 10. In a later episode, Adriana lies to Simon and tells him that Grace has approached her about seeing a new escort. It seems to imply that Simon has not had recent contact with Grace or I think we would have really seen confusion on his part. We also do not see Simon immediately go to confront Grace about this or call her or test her about this.11. Simon has to track Grace down to Adriana's house to confront her which implies again that he wasn't meeting with her recently and so he couldn't simply call her and set up an appointment for sex. Simon had to approach her in public in order to talk to her. As a SIDE NOTE, I wonder if I have misread the significance of Neil finding out about the parking ticket. Was the significance of the parking ticket to imply that Grace got it after time that Neil saw her at the staging house or was the significance of the parking ticket to show Neil that Grace had actually gone to Simon's apartment, which might be more intimate in nature, as compared to having sex at a house being staged for a showing? Now that I think about it, did the scene ever indicate when the parking ticket was issued or was the focus on the fact that it showed Grace had parked the car outside Simon's apartment? Back to the timeline, in my opinion, there is no time from episode 1 to episode 3 (timeline notes 1-7) when Grace and Neil would have had met for sex. It also appears to conflict with the storyline. From episode 4 to 5, the story of the relapse seemed to imply that the tryst was a one time thing and that explained Grace's remorse and belief that it was a mistake. We know that up to episode 3, Simon still planned to tell Grace about Neil knowing about them. It's only after Grace has told him to get lost that Simon decides to keep the knowledge to himself. What are the possible answers to this mystery? 1. The writers simply have not shown us the fact that Grace and Simon had additional trysts after the first lapse but that she broke it off again when she decided to go to the therapist. However, I think the relapse was probably the triggering event that led Grace to go to the therapist. So I don't think that makes sense. I assume that the writer's want to let us see major events and points so that we understand the direction of the storyline and that they won't hide too much detail as it would lead to misunderstandings. 2. Simon is devious and giving Grace misinformation to make it appear that Neil knew about it for a much longer time and seemed ok with it (maybe to damage Neil's image in Grace's mind). Neil never pinpoints the date that Neil caught them in the master bedroom of the house being staged. Since Grace has probably been staging other houses throughout the six months of the affair, and we can assume that they might have used the master bedroom on other occasions, the description of the incident may not tell Grace when she was caught by Neil. This doesn't make sense too because I don't think Simon is that smart nor devious enough to do something like this.3. The most likely explanation is that the writer's failed to be consistent and simply written a conflict into the storyline. My final response to your post is this. The writers are so dark that they have Adriana manipulate Neil and Grace so that Grace believes that she is going to have sex with a new escort. Neil is led to believe that he is being introduced to another lonely and neglected wife. When they enter the room where they will meet for sex, the background music is the Jimmy Buffet song "If you like Pina Coladas".
I don't see Grace and the woman you describes being cut from the same cloth. Women are more selecting in choosing husbands. i would think they would be more selective in choosing escorts. even i give Grace more credit than you do and I am the gold standard for male chauvinism. You think if your wife was in the same position as the redhead or Grace she would do the same thing as you described or think Grace would do?
Bushi101I really enjoy reading your posts. You must be one hell of an attorney, because they are absolute logical as I presume a legal brief to be (or I hope). My eldest daughter and better half really enjoy Winter's and your posts. They don't always agree but they get a kick out of them. In fact, if Carissa takes the female view, my wife is very similar to her, but my daughter is Carissa on steroids. We have had some interesting debates about which spouse has checked out of the marriage for a longer period. My wife stated a while back, that if Grace truly felt unfulfilled professionally, this could have been a resentment she carried for many years. If that were the case, Grace would have presented her dissatisfaction for a very long time. Neil became accustomed to it, and unconsciously avoided further conflict by applying himself more diligently at work (increasing his work load for advancement) thereby reducing one form of conflict.
Do we even know when Grace and Simon first had sex?
I think the overall assumption here ,is the morning she went to Simons after the bar fight. That meeting, and the lack of knowledge of what transpired, is a big issue for me.
It is highly unlikely that a women would visit a man that she met in a bar for a few minutes and immediately have sex. I doubt she went there with adultery on her mind. A more realistic assumption is that they eased into it. getting to know each other first. Did she recall having sex with Simon when he called her at the showing?
Not sure about the phone call and the showing scene. My recall not as sharp as some of the people here. Your right that it seems out of place that she just shows up at a strangers home, and immediately has sex, but that's the problem I have with that scene. We know that she's paying for his services, so how would it go from stopping by to a knowledge his flirtation, to exchanging sex for money.
Sojourner and Reality Addict. Why would a grown woman go to strange guy's apartment if not for a rendezvous. Grace was attracted to a good looking guy with all the right lines. He probably offered her some wine and they had a conversation, some snuggling, and katy bar the door. Grace is an adult, and certainly wanted some physical and passionate contact. I do not fault for that. I fault her for doing it with someone other than her husband. I am sure that he also explained that the first one was on the house and the next would be at the negotiated price of ($600). I am not letting any secrets out the when I state that in my youth, before I met and dated my lovely spouse
I think that women are more discriminating than you do.
Sojourner women are human beings with the same intrinsic desires as we males possess. We all want similar things, but if we are unhappy, lonely, and yes even horney, we have the capability of attracting partners to satisfy our needs. I do not believe that there is a basic difference in the quality of our discrimination senses. We may all not be attracted by the same attributes, but we all have similar basic needs. A quick story, In my pre-marital life, I was at a hotel with my team. It was 2 days before a Monday night game. I was in the hotel restaurant with a couple of teammates. A striking redhead sitting across the dining room smiled at me. I returned the smile. This went on for the better part of an hour. I then took my cup of coffee and walked over to her table where she was sitting with a girlfriend. I introduced myself and asked if I could join them. They both nodded affirmatively. I engaged them in conversation, dessert, and more coffee. The girlfriend of the redhead had an appointment about 45 minutes away, so she left. The redhead stayed. We continued to talk and laugh. A few hours later we became pals (euphemism). She is currently married to a famous politician. I was no expert, but guys and gals have a way of connecting if needed or desired. Simon is an expert at finding those women. He goes trolling, in fishing terms. He might not hook one on every cast, but his fishing odds are really good if he goes to the right pool and uses the correct bait. That is what constitutes an expert, and the rest of us are amateurs. Grace was a hungry bass and Simon had the correct lure. It is as simple as that. Grace was not a harlot, she was a lovely, lonely, and passion deprived woman. Simon fed her ego, and stroked her imagination. She succumbed. It is that simple for an expert. Simon is probably more discriminating than the women he beds. He finds the ones who require and want his service. He needs to be able to spot them. That takes experience and talent. Closing the deal takes a certain talent. Performing his services well, requires a different talent. Simon must combine all those traits if he is to be successful.
In Jablonski's imagination. I am sorry I could not resist. We presume when she road her bike over to his apartment.
Presume is right. Also when Neil broke into Simon's apartment we presume those scenes that Neil imagined, actually happened. Sorry I don't trust Jablonski.
Despite what you see in the Thanksgiving slideshow tomorrow, my one true wish is that your wife and daughter would be so kind as to jump into our conversation. Just once, if you don't want them to step on your toes. :-)
I second that. More views from a female perspective.
I will get them to post under their own names. They are twitter and facebook fanatics.
Carissa, have a nice and healthy Thanksgiving. My family are at my in-laws. I will join them tomorrow. I will ask the leader and her first clone to jump in when they desire. Happy Thanksgiving Bushi101, Winter, and everyone else. Enjoy the food and FOOTBALL.
No pressure. I'd just love to know more about these enigmatic women. :-) Happy Thanksgiving to all of you, too. GO MACYS DAY PARADE! It's getting to the point we will all have to meet when this is all over. A generational congregation of like minds at a beach somewhere. Italy sounds good. ;-)
Carissa, I have a med. convention next May in Atlanta. I am going to see if my wife's pal at ABC can get me onto a set where I can photograph some of the actors. It would be fun to post the pics.
I'm greatly enjoying the DiNozzo/Bishop dynamic - Tony finally gets to be a "trainer" to a willing "trainee". He's dropped the idiot act and can finally be himself with her. Because of this it's easier to see why Gibbs trusts Tony.For Tony himself, I liked seeing him in charge and how he is as a leader when Gibbs isn't around. Loved the airport set. Like you I really liked Jake standing up for his wife with the phony air marshal. No she didn't need it but as Jake said, he needed to do it.Also like you, the Jimmy baby names thing wasn't something I liked. It was okay ONCE but after that it just made Jimmy seem like an idiot.Loved Gibbs shocking; Abby, Ducky, Tim and Jimmy when he said "I'll give you one" to making snow angels and the big smile from the man at the looks on all their faces.Really loved Senior not showing up (even off camera). His charm act never worked on me and I don't trust him. Hoping they continue down this path (Gibbs seemed to expect nothing less from Senior than what he did).Liked Ellie and Jake's little tiffs and the understanding and respect for Ellie as he got to see 1st hand what she now does.Wouldn't mind seeing Jake on occasion. I thought Jamie & Emily's played a loving couple very well.
Cant wait to see Klaus and Haley see their little girl again. Well they never really got to see her. Oh and wonder how Ester and Mikael are going to react to eachother. Elijah and Haley need to quit fighting the feelings they have for each other..
I only finished watching this episode about an hour ago, and I felt a lot of deja vu with the episode and my current day. I live in NH, and we are currently dealing with a nasty Nor'easter, and I know that lots of flights have been affected by the rotten timing of this storm. I certainly enjoy watching snow fly more on TV than in real life, that is for sure. I really enjoyed this episode, and thought Tony was great. I also loved seeing the fake Air Marshall, as I am a fan of that actor (Trent Dawson) from his days on the now defunct As the World Turns. I also found Jimmy and his rattling off possible baby names rather annoying. I SO wanted to see Gibbs make a snow angel, and also feel gypped that we didn't get to see it. Missed opportunity writers!
I figured out Rowena was Crowley's mother about two seconds into her first scene. It took much longer for my ears to stop bleeding from that terrible accent. Made me flash back to the days of Adrian Paul in Highlander. I liked the episode but it seemed like they tried to cram too much into it. We had 4 separate plots going on. I did like when Cole threw the Holy water on Dean -- the look on both of their faces was priceless.But for me, the whole episode boiled down to one moment: When Dean said to Sam, "Sometimes you have to tell people what they want to hear". It was so obvious that Dean had told Cole the truth about what he feels is his fate; it was Sam that he was telling what he wanted to hear. And Sam knew it too. The look on his face was heartbreaking. Bravo, Jared.
With the outcome of last night, I'm only seeing 4 possibilities for the rest of the season. A) POI Team vs. Samaritan Team and The Brotherhood B) Samaritan Team vs. POI Team vs. The Brotherhood C) Elias Team vs. The Brotherhood vs. POI team vs. Samaritan Team and in the least cases, which I believe will be impossible after the double cross between Elias and POI Team is Elias team & POI team vs. Samaritan Team and The Brotherhood. In all the cases, however turns out, everybody lose and definitely before the season is over some major turning point will occur, and of course, some one will die!
different term, same sentiment. Spybubble gratuit
Over all I loved this episode. Following the promo I was concerned it would be a case for yet another fluffy and fretting DiNozzo episode, so I was delighted to find that for once Tony was in sharp smart investigator mode. Would love to see Gibbs challenge Tony on why he went behind his back again (as he did on Once A Crook) going to McGee in the first instance. Gibbs & Tony have worked together for nearly 14 years and supposedly though it's not mentioned these days, Tony is Gibbs SFA. Seems odd after all that time that apparently they still don't really trust each other. Anyway Jake was just lovely and I even found myself liking Bishop. Only sorry that with Tony for once being the competent agent I wish we'd see all the time, Palmer ended up being the idiot instead. I often think that at times the writers try to push the humour just that bit too much, to the point that Tony, Abby and Palmer in particular, instead of being funny end up being irritatingly silly at the expense of character. And just a few minor quibbles - why did Jake not know that Ellie was carrying her gun, wouldn't he have seen her declare it when they went through security, and even as an NCIS agent would she really be allowed to carry it loaded onto the plane? But one thing I really didn't get - Palmer guessed that the "rose by any other name" was a Shakespeare quote, which it is, from Romeo and Juliet. Ducky said it was W C Fields. Am I being really slow and it was a joke that went over my head? Or is Ducky starting to lose his marbles? If I missed something I'd love to know.
Hi Lorraine64, Ducky was simply messing with Jimmy when he got the author of the quote right. If you watch again, look at Ducky's face. :-)As a LEO (NCIS Agent) she required to carry it portal to portal - loaded. How Jake didn't know could easily be explained by them being placed in separate security lines. I'm sure Gibbs knew exactly what Tony was doing when he didn't want to tell Gibbs his suspicion until he had more info - proof in that pudding was when he told Tim: Don't look at me, just do it.
Enjoyed the episode. Great to welcome back smart, funny, sharp-shooter Tony. I've missed this guy! Liked the strong team presence, and how everyone worked the case. Having Abby, Ducky and Jimmy in the bullpen along with Gibbs and McGee was kind of fun. I thought Bishop worked well with Tony, and was totally believable as a probie agent. I liked Jake's interactions with both Bishop and Tony, and for once they struck the right balance with a guest star, using him effectively without letting him take too much of the focus. It was a fun episode, and I was especially delighted to see a Tony I recognized and could happily embrace again. I want more of this, please!
So hope we see more of this Tony going forwards. I can't think of any other TV show I've ever watched where a character's personality has changed so much not just from season to season but from episode to episode! Having experienced this Tony again if he goes back to fretting about cats, chops, casseroles and bubble bath I'm gonna cry!
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