At first I was cheering so much for Zoe stick with George, they seemed so perfect togheter then I realized that they would be a boring couple, they like each other but the chemistry is one hundred percent Zade. I just hated Joel, he's boring and there's nothing on him that makes me like him, he isn't even cute or romantic, just seemed to me like a guy who liked the adventure in a small town southern way to live. Maybe Zade is all the series about, she left her confort zone in NYC to find a true love on a guy she never thought she would fall for, there's a lot of Georgie's in Manhattan but Wade is one of a kind and I think they are perfect for each other.
Okay, straight up, I do NOT want to see Dawson back with Mills. Okay, yeah, all the Mawson or Dills fans will be cry baby whiny butts, but come on. That would cause entirely too much tension in the firehouse. The only way, and I mean the ONLY way that something like that would work, is if they already planned on writing Casey out of the show. I'm sorry, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Plus, I never wanted to see Dawson and Mills together in the first place. I've been a Dawsey or Cason fan from the get go. All that have to do is ride out the rest of this season, then Dawson and Casey can get married no issue. I will say that if they put Mills and Dawson back together, I'm dropping off of the show, no ifs, ands, or buts. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a show that tries to mix things up, but for some reason, I can't get behind Mills and Dawson being an item. I just can't.
Good evening Winter, Golfingdocp, Sojourner, and our other fellow posters,I wanted to point some things that had been bothering me and I had questions about, so here I go. This is for episode one. 1. I missed it the first time around, but I finally heard Grace tell the job interviewer in the first episode, that she turned down the Fulbright scholarship to study in Florence when she learned that she was pregnant. I realize the significance of that because I hadn't quite understood why Neil in the last episode told Grace that he wanted to go to Italy 20 years ago. I also now suspect that Neil may have been planning to accompany Grace abroad while she studied under the Fulbright Program. I had incorrectly assumed that Grace had put aside the scholarship to marry Neil. Now I see that she had to turn down the scholarship because she was pregnant. I think that is an important distinction because I always thought Grace's decision to put her dreams on hold were similar to that of my wife. I think that also says a lot about Neil that he was very supportive of Grace in the beginning of their relationship. Did everyone know this? Does it make a different in your assessment of Neil and Grace? I wonder if that situation explains why Grace told Neil screw you in the ninth episode? 2. I think that a person's perception of themselves, regardless of if it is accurate or not, says a lot about who they think they are. In the first episode, Grace tells Stephanie that she realized that she has her mom's life ( to which Stephanie responds "ell" which is another thing that is an issue). Grace comments that she once considered herself an artist but that she's turned into Neil's wife. Regardless of whether her self perception is accurate, it's clear that Grace sees herself at that point as an extension of Neil rather than her own person. That's a sign of low self esteem. I wonder what type of life Grace and Stephanie's parents had. I kind of assume that their mother was unhappy. I also found it interesting that they never say anything about their father. I wonder if he was present in their lives? Could the unhappy upbringing explain why both Grace and Stephanie are dysfunctional? 3. I wondered whether Grace was concerned that Neil was having an affair from the first episode. When Neil informed Grace that he had to go into the office because of an emergency (he was going to meet Mallory), she had a strange reaction/stare that made me think she was wondering if Neil was having an affair (after all she was in the middle of her affair) and might have been concerned that Neil saying he had to go into the office that late was an excuse to allow him to meet someone (and actually that was the case). Grace then calls Neil early in the morning (while he is sleeping next to Mallory) and asked where he was? Grace further states that he hadn't responded to her texts. When Neil says that he'll have to go out of town again, Grace asked who was the new client. I had a feeling that they way she asked it, that Grace felt that Neil was having an affair and was saying he would be out of town to give him an opportunity to meet with the other woman. Grace asked him who the new client was in order to see how he would respond and if the answer would confirm her suspicion. That would explain why Grace went to Neil's office, to see if he was working (or cheating on her) only to find out that he quit. That would also explain why she asked Neil at the pool "what about us are we going to work out". 4. Grace expressed at that point that she was afraid because she didn't know what was happening to them. Is what Neil did in episode one ( freaking out in the plane and quitting his job) the beginning of a wake up call for Grace? Is that why she makes the decision to try to break off with Simon shortly after that? Is the fact that she is also worried that Neil may be having an affair the catalyst for her decision to end the affair?
Bushi101Great hunting. The first find is totally new to me. It does reinforce my belief that Neil has been actually more supportive of Grace than we have been giving him credit for. It is possible that the decision to not go for the Fulbright was entirely her decision and that she has been suppressing doubts about it every since. Actually, neither Anika nor Stephanie, has ever blamed Neil for her not advancing her career. In a sense, Grace might have been responsible for this portion of her unhappiness.The second find, was one of the instances where I suspected a bit of jealousy on Grace's part. Grace had just spent the previous afternoon screwing Simon's brains out, and may be feeling a bit of guilt. Remember, that Neil showed up at Anika's recital unexpectedly, and had proved to be highly supportive of his daughter. Grace was still wearing the soiled garments from her tryst. Neil made the excuse that he had to go back to the office after the recital. Neil working at the office overnight might have been a new phenomenon. He might have worked long hours but never overnight. Neil might also have broken a pattern when he suddenly did not return her text messages. That surely would have made her worried or suspicious. Grace then went to Neil's office, something she had never done before. She found out that he quit his job the day before, and brought his possessions home. Something else actually bothers me about these two days in the storyline. Neil had been texting Grace after his airplane meltdown. She failed to reply. He then called her office to find her and was given the address of the home she was showing. Why did Grace not check her phone and realize that her husband had been trying to reach her? Maybe, she checked her phone late at night and realized that Neil had been trying to reach her, and was now responding to his texts when she called his office at night. She might have had an intuitive feeling that something was wrong, because of what she had done the previous day or possibly that something bad had happened to Neil. She might have been worried that her failure to answer Neil's texts may have had something to do with his staying away all night. In the morning, when she finally reaches him by phone she is clearly suspicious. Her suspicions are confirmed when she goes to the office. When learning that her husband quit, I would be shocked if she did not ask someone in the office why he quit. If she did not, why did she not question him when he got home? The airplane incident was news to her until Stephanie showed it to her online. This shows Grace to be callously uninterested in her husband's motivations. Grace actually looks like the detached spouse. She had not visited his new employer for the 5 years he had worked at the location. She did not ask why he quit, and where was he when he was not at the office? These show detachment. If she suspects that he may be cheating it may be a reflection of guilt for her activities. The scene at the pool when she asks if they will make it, she has been cheating for 6 months, and Neil has suddenly quit his employment and lied to her about his actions. She may subconsciously be worried that her adultery has been found out, and that Neil is up to something. Then there is the scene by the pool with Anika and Neil, when Grace goes into the house and texts Simon about getting together. The family had just had a nice moment together, and Simon is whom she reaches out to. Neil finds this out, because he has Simons phone and it rings in his jacket by the pool. Grace must have gotten comfortable that Neil was unaware of her affair, and her romantic needs had to be satisfied. It is interesting that she turned to Simon to satisfy her desires, while her husband was clearly in an affectionate mood by the pool. Neil later uses the out of town new client lie, to meet up with Adriana for the first time. Grace is not suspicious? Why? Maybe, she just doesn't care. Neil meets the hedge fund owner while on the date with Adriana, and that later prompts his boss to ask him to return to the fold as a Vice-President. Still Grace had no questions for Neil. I totally believe that Grace was the person detached from the marriage. Neil, for all his issues, still wanted to include Grace in everything. It was Grace and her issues that had been destroying the marriage. Her affair just strengthened her resolve that she could go on without Neil. I believe that after Stephanie showed Grace the internet video of Neil freaking out, she dismissed the notion of an affair. She probably figured that Neil needed some time alone to find his own thoughts.I really have no clue why Grace wants to end her affair, unless it is due to the fact that Neil has become totally attentive to her every desire. Maybe she has the need for her husband to be totally engrossed in everything Grace. Yet Grace openly flits with Dylan, and sort of violates the husband-wife fidelity contract when she poses nude. These are not the actions of a woman worried about her marriage. When Grace and Neil have the sex moment in the bar bathroom, she was relieved that it was not about the affair. I believe, that it was this incident that was responsible for her breaking off the affair with Simon. She just dodged a big bullet.
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I have not been able to defend any of Graces actions from season 1 ,but I don't think the family pool scene, and her calling Simon, was ever confirmed as another sex date call. I believe that for a fleeting moment, Grace actually started to realize just what she loves about her marriage and family. I think that call was to break things off with Simon and arrange the final payment. Maybe I am wrong. The hardest part about that scene ,for me, was the screen saver for Grace, on Simons phone. Clearly a beautiful and happy moment of Grace, captured by Simon. It also bothered me that we never got to hear what the message was that Grace left and Neils reaction to it. I have read a lot here about all of life experiences that everyone has been through, and how it relates to this series. I think it's time for me to share a very brief background of my own situation, although Carissa has probably already figured it out, but first I need to get some stuff ready for Bears football. Will get back here shortly.
Reality Adictt, I was also thinking the same thing and have written a rather lengthy response to Golfindocp about a lot of things. I've written about the timeline based on facts after re-watching the first three episodes and I think Grace was also trying to break things off. Read my comment and let me know what you think.
Golfingdocp, I think you would be surprised if you went back and watched the series as I have started to do. In retrospect, I'm getting a lot more information and getting a better sense of the timeline. At the end of episode1, when Neil realizes that Grace has called Simon's cell phone, we don't know what type of message she left, if any but she probably asked for a meeting (as will be made clearer by subsequent texts). In episode 2, the Zen Master got Simon's phone out of Neil's pocket and text Grace a message saying that he wants to meet soon. Neil replies that since the Zen Master used Simon's phone that Grace will think Simon wants to see her. Later in the episode, we see Grace get the Zen Master's text "Got your message. Let's meet soon." Grace replies "Thanks for getting back. When should we meet?" Ironically, Grace then calls Neil on his phone to tell her that she got the job setting up the lobby. Later that night, Neil and Grace are discussing Anika's situation. Neil asked Grace if she would lie or not tell him something if she knew it would upset him and Grace responds that it depends.on if she really thought he needed to know. Neil replies that he would do the same. Neil then sends Grace a text on Simon's phone setting up a meeting for Tuesday. I assume that he is planning to take the Zen Master's suggestion and meet Grace and be honest. Grace replies "Sounds Perfect". Simon then steals Neil's car and finds his cell phone. He looks at the text messages and realizes that Neil used the phone and has set up a meeting with Grace on Tuesday posing as Simon. Simon send Grace a text "We need to talk". At the end of the episode, Grace arrives at Simon's apartment. Simon says (LOL at the unintended homage to our childhood game) "You got my message?" Grace gives Simon the rest of the money that she owes him and tells Simon that she doesn't want to see him anymore and that they're done. While Simon kisses Grace and tried to convince her to come inside, she manages to detach herself and walk away. This is the point in the story when Grace attempts to break off the relationship with Simon. We get confirmation that Grace has broken off the relationship in episode 3. In the scene where Neil goes to the spa and assaults Simon because he thinks Simon is hitting on Anika, Simon tells Neil that Grace has broken off the relationship and doesn't want to see him. Later on in episode 3, when Simon has tracked Grace down and come upon Grace having a drink with her initial boss, we learn that Grace has not been returning Simon's call (which is why he had to track her down and approach her in open public). I would point out that Simon wants to tell Grace that Neil knows about the affair. Why? I suspect that he wants to warn Grace but that he also wants a little payback at Neil's expense and wants to throw a monkey wrench in the works. When Grace tells Simon to go away and that she already paid him and it's the end of the story, Simon walks off and hits on Grace's boss. I need to point out how this episode shows Simon's selfishness and indifference to women. He puts Grace in a bad spot as his approaching her in public raises the possibility that her secret may become public knowledge. He also does this in front of her boss. After he has been rejected, he walks off and hits on Grace's boss, which reminds me of how Simon hits on Grace while he's on a date. He doesn't care about how he treats one woman if another that he wants and may be a potential client is available. We also assume that Simon slept with Grace's boss (she implies to Grace after Grace got her fired that she's aware of Simon's occupation). And he wants to claim later that he cares about Grace. I also want to point out that the evidence may indicate that Grace only has one relapse. There is only one scene where we know that Grace goes back to Simon after she broke it off. She says that it's a mistake. We know that Neil becomes aware that Grace has gone back to meet with Simon after the first episode when he finds evidence of the parking ticket (the inference being that she got the ticket after the date of the first episode). I don't know if Grace got the ticket when she relapsed or on another date, but I think it's clear that Grace is trying to end the relationship with Simon and that she knows that her relapse is a mistake. However, we know that Grace is day dreaming about the relapse at the opening of the lobby and that later in that same episode, Neil finds out about the ticket. That's why there may have only been one relapse. It must be a problem for Neil when he realizes that Grace has gone back to Simon's apartment after the time of the first episode. But he can't be surprised since he sent the e-mail setting up the meeting on Tuesday (where he planned to confront Grace and be honest) and might be wondering if he set up a time for Grace and Simon to have sex since he is unaware that Grace has already broken of the relationship. You pointed out that Neil worked long hours but may not have worked overnight and that it may have been a new practice. It was interesting that two of Grace's book of the month club friends are talking about how she is behaving and one mentions that Neil is planning on sleeping overnight at the office and is concerned about Grace but the other replies that they shouldn't read anything into it because Neil lives at the office. However, I think that the excuse that he had to work overnight may have cause Grace to be worried that he was having an affair. You believe that Grace had become detached from the marriage and you're probably correct to a degree. You noted that she hadn't been to his office for the five years he worked there, that she didn't ask anyone at the office why Neil quit, and that she didn't ask Neil that question when he got home, and that the airplane incident was news to her until Stephanie showed it to her. I want to point out that you may be a little off on your timeline when it come to Grace going down to Neil's office. When Grace goes to the office, the scene conveniently cuts off shortly after Grace asked the receptionist if Neil is there. We don't know how Grace reacted when I'm sure that the receptionist told her about Neil quitting. I acknowledge that Grace had not been down to Neil's office and that may be a sign of a problem (but I have to admit that my wife never comes down to my office but we're a secured building and spouses vising the office is a rare thing). The next scene shows Grace at Stephanie's place and Stephanie asked Grace what is she going to tell Anika (I assume that Grace has told Stephanie about Neil quitting) and Grace replies that the whole thing may be her fault because Neil has been very unhappy although she has tried to cheer him up (she brought him a tie). Grace then tells Stephanie that she learned at the office about the airplane meltdown and that it's supposed to be online. At that point, Stephanie finds the video on line. I want to note that Grace has a little odd smile on her face when she watches the video (sometimes all we can learn about Grace's thoughts are by watching her subtle emotional clues) and I get the feeling that she's proud of Neil reacting the way that he does (as she wants to act herself). The first chance that Grace sees Neil after he has quit his job is when he comes home. Remember however, that the day after Neil sleeps with Mallory, he visits the Zen Master, meets Adriana for the first time, goes with Adriana to the party, and then has sex with her. Neil wakes up the next morning and finally goes home only to find his former boss at the house waiting for him. Grace doesn't have a chance to talk to Neil since the boss is at the house and wants to talk to Neil. After the boss leaves, Grace walks out and asked Neil why didn't he tell her about everything and Neil replies that he didn't want to worry her. Then Grace asked Neil if things were going to work out between them and that she was scare since she didn't know what was happening to them.I agree that Grace had become detached from the marriage; after all she had an affair, but I don't think she was as detached as you think she was. I think if you watch the series again, you'll catch things that you might have missed, as I am learning as I watch the shows again. I think we have to also acknowledge that Neil has also become detached from the marriage before the affair began. From Grace's perception, she believes that Neil has completely checked out of the marriage for the last year, that he is emotionally unavailable, and that he has not been supportive of her following her dreams. This is what Simon told Neil in the third episode after Neil assaulted Simon in the tanning salon. While it is only Grace's perception, we get the feeling that it's true because of how Neil responds and acts as Simon is telling him what Grace has told him. Those issues are also the ones that Neil tries to work on from that point and we see them come up in his talks with Grace. I want to leave you with two interesting inquiries. 1. I missed this one but noticed it as I have started to re-watch the series. In the third episode, when Neil is talking to the Zen Master about the Fulbright scholarship and Grace's plan to study design in Florence, he says that he stopped Grace from doing that. I wonder why he would say that considering he says in the last episode that he wanted to go to Italy 20 years before. Is he blaming himself for Grace getting pregnant?2.At the end of the second episode, Neil is practicing zen mediation under the direction of the Zen Master who tends Neil to focus on the present. Neil's thinks about Mallory, Adriana, and Grace but he also thinks about two women who I do not recognize and the scenes imply intimacy. Is Neil fantasizing about two women that he might have recently come into contact with or is he thinking about two intimate encounters that happened. At that point, we only know that Neil has slept with Mallory and Adriana. Who are these two women? Do you think Neil is remembering two previous affairs?
Ugh you're a terrible writer Carla.
Avid Private Practice fan and have loved Amelia joining the cast!! Did they ever say what happened to her and James?! Last I heard they were engaged and then it slowly puttered out of the show?! Any ideas?! Loved the winter finale and little shout outs and flash backs!!
Yes. They were still engaged when she came to visit the first time, but she was feeling smothered, and so when she decided to take the job at SGMH, they broke up.
Here's to hoping Fitz dies and Mellie for some reason ends up as the President. That would be a serious upturn for the show. Mellie as President would reel me back in as a loyal watcher. I fast-forward the scenes with Fitz now and realized that I'm not missing any of the plot. He seriously does not make any of the major decisions that moves the story along. Other than arresting Jake he has not contributed much.
That sentence right there shows geekydiorgirl you have the intelligence of a 5 year old and could not have possibly watched this show from the beginning. You need to think outside what writers want you to see. For one there is absolutely nothing that mellie has done that would even remotely make her president material everything blows up in her face!!!
Exactly JJenner!! Fitz is one of the characters that moves the plot along. We will most defitnitely see him moving it along now that Liv has been kidnapped cause she is his heart. He will be wrapped all up in the plot of that storyline, I guarantee that. You know, when I see comments swimming in anti-Fitz hate, I usually ignore them and not even respond. I don't care for Jake but you can't find 1 comment from me, swirled in anti-Jake hate. If you don't have the maturity for the show, GeekyDiorGirl, please just find a new TV show to view on your Thursday evenings.
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I don't know. The way this show is going geekydiorgirl may get her wish, not about Mellie becoming president - this is not Evita - but about Fitz getting killed. See my comments below about an analysis of demographics in relation to Fitz's age and years he has been married. To paraphrase the last line of King Kong (Oh no, it wasn't the airplanes. It was beauty killed the beast.) Oh no, it wasn't the assassin's bullet. It was demographics that killed the president!
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Well the writers and cast pulled it off again this week.. I love this show so much I watch it a few times.. this is war, and you got to fight for your people but Finn I am worried about.. The scene with him just murdering them grounders was tormenting. I felt heartbroken for him though.. I get Clarke backing away but he is lost and needs her.. Jasper, something bad is going to happen, and why does he trust these people so much.. It makes me mad how much he does. Lincoln will be ok he is a survivor.. I am so excited for what is next..
Finn is my favorite character, and I have a serious emotional attachment to him. So this was very upsetting to me. He's the classic tragic hero now, and I feel deeply sorry for him. I hope Clarke realizes that he needs help and doesn't turn her back on him. BTW, Thomas Mcdonell turned in an excellent performance here, and he certainly ain't bad to look at either. Nobody does wet, bloody,dirty and bruised cuter than this guy.
Okay, now understand why they had all of the clips. When they showed them, I thought the series had reached its end. Heck, with the death of Wo Fat, if very well could have been.
This is one of the few positive reviews with a fair grade. Most others act like there was something hugely wrong with this episode. I liked it. I am a fan of the spectre so it was better but the episode was just well character driven episode
Really? I'm curious now to read some of those other reviews. Do you remember which sites posted negative reviews?
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