Every time I see Gary Glasberg moving himself from executive producer to writer I cringe. Last night was no different. Credits said Story by Gary Glasberg and Jennifer Corbett with Teleplay by Jennifer Corbett. So, I believe Jennifer sufficiently cleaned up whatever Gary dumped into her lap. It was a lightweight Thanksgiving episode and kept my interest for the entire hour.I wish at the end we could have met the rest of Bishop's family. I also hope this marriage issue gets settled promptly rather than slip into soap territory.
Gary Glasburg (sic) as a show runner has never lived up to the Shane Brennan seasons. Too shmaltzy IMHO
And Shane Brennan never came close to Don Bellasario. In a lot of ways, Brennan ruined NCIS and the character of Ziva for a lot of people. Under his stewardship it was no longer NCIS, it became some organization better suited to a Robert Ludlum or Tom Clancy novel. One of the things I will give Glasberg props for - and don't get me wrong, I have significant issues with some of the things he's done with the show - is that at least he's returned it to more what the Bellasario years were like.
Oh, yes. Brennan almost ruined the whole show focusing on the Ziva hour and the so-called 'tiva' thing. I just wish Glasberg would ease off on all the personal parts and focus back on crime solving.
It was Aliyah onwards that was the tipping point for me for Ziva. Before that I'd actually liked her. After that, I couldn't believe she was let back on the team.
why? because ziva knocked tony to the ground & put her gun on him,why did tony have to go to zivas place if he wanted to ask her a ? he ,he knew dam well that Rifkin was at zivas,he could have called her on the phone,they didnt really have any proof Rifkin killed an agent as of yet.ziva told tony earlier if he wanted to meet him just ask her--that's a sign that ziva didn't know that Rifkin might be involved.ziva was trying to put it all together,yes she was angry & in the end it all came to light--oh & didn't tony & McGee go to Somalia to find out if she were alive--& were relieved when they saw her esp tony.what about what ej did to tony left him on the ground & took off t save her own butt-how mad was tony over that.ziva figured out on her own about ray cruz tony was jealous over him............she proved her self to ncis became a us citizen & always had tonys back as well as he had hers ya think tony didn't really love her to once again go look for her in Israel --right now tony has no one --wendy-jeanne-ej-- are behind him & zoe is a no show-- my feeling is ziva was the one he really loved & out of respect for gibbs` they held it in along long time but gibbs knew because gibbs knows everything,tony has changed since ziva left & it shows they don't know what to do with tony on the show & maybe he doesn't care.........................................lan
Wow - paragraph breaks are your friend... So because she was "angry", it was okay for her to assault him? Would you say the same thing if the roles had been reversed and he assaulted her? It wasn't just the assault scene that was the tipping point; it was the whole episode, and the fact that she was just allowed to waltz back into NCIS afterwards with no consequences for her actions, which included assault and her trying to get Tony kicked off the team - neither of which she actually apologised to him for, by the way. The writers had a great chance to do some interesting things with Ziva in terms of PTSD, redemption and dealing with the consequences of her actions, and they did nothing. Frankly, I suspect they blew it because they weren't expecting the backlash from the fans over the assault scene, so they just ignored it and hoped it would go away. It's a shame, because I really would have liked to see that Ziva, rather than the one we got. And no, they didn't go to Somalia to find out she was alive. they were told she was dead; they went after the terrorist who they thought was responsible for her death before he killed anyone else. That the rumours of her death were greatly exaggerated was a bonus. I don't believe Ziva did tell Tony that if he wanted to meet him just to ask, but I could be wrong. I do know that Ziva lied straight out to Gibbs and to Tony about Rivkin, and told Tony she didn't have to answer to him, and she would answer only to Gibbs, which is wrong - he is Gibbs' second-in-command, which means she did have to answer to him, not that she ever recogised that. And did she have his back when she went against Gibbs' direct orders not to engage the guards in Cloak, resulting in him being attacked by them because of her? Or when she and McGee turned off the radio in Dead Air, leaving him without backup while he was undercover searching for a terrorist? Or when she told Gibbs he was deadweight and she didn't want him along when she went to South America in Missionary Position? There was no evidence that Tony was jealous of CIRay - Ziva liked to accuse him of jealousy anytime he worried about her. If I recall correctly, he actually encouraged her to work things out with CIRay at one point - hardly the actions of someone pining jealously over her.
Lisa, We all have issues don't we? my paragraphs & your spelling.I don't think Tony would have knocked ziva to the ground being in her country with mozzad all around the place.She did give Gibbs that choice& he left her there.He wanted Ziva to see who she could trust. Ziva did apologize to Tony in the bathroom,her reasons made perfect sense.She trusted Mozzad & realized she was wrong not to trust Tony. I guess tony forgave her too.Gibbs knew South America was a dangerous place,he already had Tony set up the plane before Ziva got out of MTAC. She had no fear in meeting up with her friend alone,she had done many missions before. I think it was Jenny Sheperd that told Gibbs she was the finest agent she ever worked with.Gibbs surely got to see that for himself as time went on.When Gibbs was in MTAC talking to Dunham Tony over heard some talk about a female being seen in Somlia.That was when Tony couldn't focus & needed to find out who it might be,dead or alive which would be rather hard to find a dead body in the dessert.Gibbs & Vance already had the wheels in motion so my thoughts are why did they go? They really got them selves captured over Caf-Pow.The ray story well Tony got rather nosy didn't he.When he found out Ray was CIA he stuck his nose in Zivas business,& he got such a look on his face when Ray said he loved her & was here to tell her.That didn't sit well with Tony,& no one knew at the end except for Ziva figuring it out it was Ray who killed the detectives wife. Oh & her & Mcgee were both reading when Tony went house to house trying to find the voice on the phone in DeadAir epi.Didnt Ziva run for Tony when the bomb went off,I guess everyone has there own way of seeing things,its only a tv show,I cant stand jimmy Palmer & enough already with abby & her pony tails. lanora
Uhm, please tell me where I spelled something wrong? Unless you're talking about my using British spelling for some words, which I do because I'm a Canadian, not an American. Ziva gave a half-assed apology (in which she berated him yet again for going to her apartment) for questioning Tony's motives about killing Rivkin. She NEVER apologised for hitting him in his injured shoulder, knocking him to the ground, pointing a loaded gun at him and threatening to kill him. She never apologised for trying to get Gibbs to kick him off the team. Trust me, if she had, a lot of my disappointment over what the character became would have been mitigated. In fact, she only apologised to him for anything after Abby raked her over the coals about it. She had invited McGee out for drinks before the episode began, gave Gibbs an expensive chisel as a thank you and apology, and spent the first part of the episode sniping at Tony after totally ignoring him. That could be attributed to her feeling guitly about how she treated him, but there was nothing in the writing that suggested that. A simple, "I know I should have done this earlier, but I was embarrassed/feeling guilty/feeling foolish." would have covered it nicely. And I'm not talking about Tony assaulting her in her home country with the role reversal. You implied that because Ziva was angry and "working things though" it was okay for her to have assaulted him. If they were in the US and Tony was angry and working things through, would it have been acceptable for him to do the same to her? And lastly, as to them sitting in the car reading while he was undercover, that's not what they were being paid to do. They were being paid to back up their partner by listening to him as he canvassed in case something happened. And it doesn't change the fact they turned off the radio. What if the terrorist had been one of the people Tony talked to, and he got suspicious and pulled a gun on Tony, or attacked him? With the radio off, they would have no way of knowing what was happening, and would not have been able to help him.
Lisa, This could go back&forth with what you think or what I watched.Ziva never talk to Tony about her apartment,she saw the fight from the street.Again Ziva did not know that her father sent Rifkin to Dc & try to get info from Ziva.She did lie on the phone to Tony that she was following a lead,thats what Ziva was trying to put together on her own,she with held info to gibbs & yes she was wrong. Ziva didn't want to believe her father was involved in any of it.She did knock Tony on his ass,the girl was torn between mozzad & ncis.She met up with MCgee in the Navy yard he was getting coffee,they did not go out for a drink,he asked her why she was avoiding Tony she didn't answer.She saw Abby before that & abby told her the ball is in your court,asked Ziva how could she doubt Tony, Ziva knew she was wrong before she saw Abby. She waited for Tony in the men room............Why do you think Gibbs made Tony give him info about the case they were working on...........to give Ziva time to get in the mens room.She told Tony she was wrong to trust Ari,& Rifkin & couldn't afford to trust him knowing if she took Tonys word Mozzad would have gone after Tony. Ziva told tony all is over & it didn't matter how it turned out,meaning that she realized Tony was right,he apologized to Ziva & she said no it is I who am sorry,she kissed him on the cheek end if story,Ziva gave Gibbs the chisel for leaving her in Israel not ncis saving her.Then there the whole other story with her & Gibbs in the basement about her being sent to gain his trust.she said yes he got angry,she explained & he forgave her. I have all the dvd-s I don't know if you do,if you do then watch those episodes that several different ones on all these comments. Im done with my view on what I saw & watched. It doesn't matter where your from & your opinion & mine are not the same but you also insist that Im wrong,so be it. Lan
CBS is a business and they make money selling advertisements. The more people who watch, the more money they charge for ads. The highest ranked episode in the history of NCIS was Shiva from show runner, Shane Brennan. It was part of a Ziva arc. It had a 3.9 18-49 demo live and 22.86 million total viewership live. It had live+7 4.9 18-49 demo with 26.08 million total viewership. The show hasn't hit numbers like that since. You may not have liked it but I'm sure that someone must have, including the CBS Execs.
Um.... is it me or did the main case of the show not resolve? The lie detector thing?? Does anyone even notice the case anymore?
I'm tired of the show now. I suspect the show will suffer upon its return because people will have moved on to shows with substance, which this one doesn't have. The hype surrounding the show was about this mysterious tattoed women who appeared to be a "badass" and had serious abilties. It's quickly turned into a crime drama and nothing more. It's like all the other character's side stories are more important than Jane's and we can only get back to the REAL story at the start of the season and before finales. In the meantime we're only putting time in until we get to the important episodes. The other thing I think the show needs to be mindful of is making Jane into an unlikeable character, which is reall close to happening. Quite frankly, there aren't many likeable characters on this show right now except Jane. I suspect the show will suffer upon its return because people will have moved on to shows with substance, which this one doesn't have. And no, the two leads have absolutely NO chemistry.
Bruno we are again in agreement.I have heard but have not read that the interview that H&W did pst time after the show was alarming,they said that they were going to have public fights and everyone I guess even Martha will think they are divorcing.This is awful.I really think they should have a new case when they return....the name will be Who Murdered Castle.....yes they will investigate their own murder,it's freaky just like the old cases,but very important because we need the murderers put out of their and our misery.I know,I know I am crazy but these crazy people worse.Now that Martha has now lost identity,the hiatus is now back on according to ABC is there any hope at all?
Lindag,great idea !!! Caskett investigating their own murders and finding the writers to be guilty and putting them away for life.I hope ABC reads this and puts it into practice.:)
Like a lot of the NCIS episodes this and last season it was plotted by numbers and two dimensional... Bishop is a support character at best - the interplay between other characters such as Mcgee and Tony is being sacrificed in an attempt to built her character but as a character following two strong female character it isnt being bought by the viewers. This is not Emily's fault it should be laid at the door of the show runners and the writing team. To be perfectly frank this show has had a good run but should have finished 2 seasons ago
Strage review. Turning Bishop into Gibbs? I didn't see that. I saw Gibbs being supportive and more like a dad, telling her to deal with Jake head on and talk about it. He was telling her not to turn out like him. I loved the episode. Fornell is always fun. I like these episodes much more than the action packed episodes. I didn't find it hard to be invested in a stranger. His mother had lost two kids and was about to loose her third. It got me invested.I loved the fact that Bishop isn't the usual crying and revengful scorned lover. I like that she wants to think this through before deciding what to do and not badmouthing Jake. I do hope she ditches Jake. That trust is hard to rebuild.
Doug we are invested in total strangers when we give to a charity to help them, In helpless animals when we try to leave food for them and find them a home when we volunteer for the soup chicken on a holiday, when Pauley gives a homeless person some socks, it's not hard to have compassion, unless the world has hardened us, to the point of caring for nothing but ourselves. It matters not if the audience cared though if human they should, the characters did, and did their best to save a mans life. The audience should at least feed off of the compassion of the familiar characters to them that made this a heart warming thanksgiving ep.
Sadly in the NOLA ep even though they won they lost, Max died, not a good holiday message. I cared about both MaX and the Quinn's, Max got to interact with the team a little which was something the Quinn son couldn't do too sick. In both cases they had to fight for the ill person. Just a better outcome this time emotionally.
It's got to be a relative thing, and I object to the notion that people "should" feel invested or have compassion. There are lots of people struggling with things like cancer. Certainly most of us have had a relative or two succumb to it. It's bad enough when it's someone close to you. To try and encompass the whole parade of people who have it is impossible. Compassion in that "well that's sad" is one thing. Empathy to the point of "I feel for you, let's get you some help" only works if you're invested in the person. We did not know this guy. We never got a chance to know him, ergo it's going to be nigh impossible for most people to relate to him. As Easton said in a comment above, why not give us a chance to get to know him? Spread the story over a few episodes or something. Introducing us to him, telling us "oh by the way he's got leukemia and his siblings - except for one - are dead" provokes nothing except "okay, think I've got the gist of the story….but what else?" I don't know. Maybe I'm dead inside. ;)
We are invested in the characters,it's a fictional show after all but we do root for them, their success or failure we do feel in a way, we discuss it afterward,, if we didn't this conversation wouldn't be happening. It was a holiday win for the team, something uplifting to carry them over the next few days, imagine if they'd not been successful how each of them would have felt. We certainly project a little of our feelings onto these characters and the downer of losing when you're trying to do something wonderful to save a life, even a strangers can really bring you down. you're not dead inside, just cynical. I say invested because we hope better for those we help, just throwing a few bucks in the tin and walking away isn't necessarily compassion either, other forces such as guilt have an effect.
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Well that's a relief! : )
I think a good example of what you're talking about can be seen in one of the NOLA episodes this season: "Broken Hearted." I really enjoyed that ep b/c of the character of Max Pinzon, a teen prodigy working for the CIA (I think). He, too, was dying, and the team was working to save his life (find the heart he needed for a transplant). I felt this NOLA storyline was more compelling b/c of the way it was executed. While he only had 1 ep, the actor who played Pinzon delivered a stunning performance and one of the main characters bonded with him in such a way that we really felt for his situation. We got some good scenes w/Pinzon and the other characters that we just didn't have time for last on NCIS. I loved the Bishop stuff, but it definitely made the case take a back seat. Another ep that comes to mind is "Dead Man Walking" from Season 4 of NCIS. The guy in that was dying too and really connected to Ziva - it made his struggle and ultimate end very poignant. Ultimately, I don't think last night's NCIS had time to develop the Quinn family characters - perhaps if Bishop's family were visiting her in DC and Bishop connected w/ the dying you man it would've been more effective. However, I'm OK with how it was done and settling for the "caper" being the B plot - this ep was written to unfold more about the character of Bishop, and I think they did a great job w/that, so I can forgive all else.
I remember the movie, and didn't think it was good enough to one day spawn a TV show.
First off, I don't think I would want my boss tapping my mom. Way too AWKWARD!! So I for one, hope it doesn't go there.Plus the logistics would make that relationship a difficult one. I also assumed she was still married when she was talking about Bishop's dad being on his way home. It also looks like Bishop is going to take her time to think about what to about her marriage and not rush off to a divorce lawyer. Maybe it's just me, but after that kind of betrayal and no kids to think about, I would be outta there in a heartbeat, no question. Life's too short to live it with a cheater. This being a heartwarming Thanksgiving episode, there was never any doubt in my mind the prisoner would get all warm and fuzzy and give up his bone marrow without his parole deal. The Codfather was pretty darn funny. Loved Toby and Tony, that was a great pairing. I think Zoe is on her way out.
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Bishops dad went to pick up her grandfather. That's where he was driving home from. Also, from your lips to Gods ear about Zoe. I never liked that relationship no matter what history she's supposed to have with Tony. Absolutely no chemistry between the characters which amazes me because Michael Weatherly pretty much could have chemistry with a tree stump.
I never really cared for the relationship with Zoe either.
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