They didn't even add the ACTUAL worst plot twist of 2014: Beth's death on The Walking Dead!!!
Ann, I thought about nominating it, but thought that it wasn't actually bad or that of an unexpected plot twist. :) Someone usually dies in a Walking Dead finale, and there were a lot of murmurs that it was going to be Beth or Carol. It did seem like a waste for them to get all the way to the hospital and then not really get what they came for. No one is ever safe in the Walking Dead.
Golfingdocp, I didn't write my last post to single out anyone specifically as quite a number of posters have used that term or similar language so I wondered if they really understood the definition of the term and whether they thought adultery was so horrific a betrayal that it deserved that level of condemnation. Compared to the terrible things that I have seen people do to those they claim to love, adultery and those who commit it, in my opinion, simply don't warrant that degree of condemnation. It's a terrible betrayal of trust and selfish but a good percentage of the people that I know have committed adultery are decent people who simply lost their way (the other half are slugs). I agree that the act can be described as despicable but I feel uncomfortable when people describe other people as despicable. I think most people have some value to their lives and those that I would describe as despicable are doing a lot worse things than committing adultery. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and their opinion has value (although I may not agree with it) but I truly wondered why people felt so strongly or if they were being somewhat melodramatic.
Bushi101, when I was a freshman in University, I dated a really smart girl who I had just met in math class. When we were at a movie, I commented to her that she was cute (I know it was not a good line, but I was only 17yr old.) :-) She took umbrage at my words and told me never to say that to her again. Being the curious person I am, I questioned her about what she heard. For her that term meant like "don't be cute", in a satirical way. I understood and refrained from expressing my thoughts about her using that word (she was still cute). Unfortunately, my fascination with her didn't last past the semester (she was too smart for me).My point is that, as a wordsmith, I suggest that the word despicable for you has become a stronger description of a person than it is for the rest of us. I don't think the word has any stronger connotation for us than say slut, whore, or trollop. :-)
It has a very strong and negative connotation for me. For me it implies malice. That is why I don't apply it to Grace. She was only thinking about her self and probably knew the risks, but i don't think she wanted to intentionally hurt anyone.
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When you commit negligent homocide you don't intentionally intend to hurt anyone, but the person is still dead. That's what Grace did by cheating she crushed Neil. I've said it before. Grace would be guilty of first degree pre meditated homocide and Neil could be charged with 2nd degree or maybe manslaughter. If we connotate cheating to murder.
She wasn't to smart for you, she was a nut case. Most people would have taken that as a you think she's good looking. In order for you to get her meaning it has to be framed in a different sentence.
Her parents must have said something like, "You're really cute", or "You're being cute" in a disparaging way. We hear what I said more commonly.
Winter, I don't know what would constitute the 'deal breaker" for me. If my wife had a six month affair with somebody, I have serious doubt that I could ever fully trust her again. The fact that she had a six month affair would be compounded by the fact that she had lived a lie with me for the same period of time. The fact that she was capable of remaining loving and physical with me, while sharing physical gratification with another individual would forever cause me to question what she was engaged in when not in my presence. How could I trust her if she said it ended? How could I know what she was feeling when she was with me? If my wife had a singular one-night stand, I possibly could forgive the instance of weakness. I still would have difficulty with fully trusting her again. How could I know that it had not happened previously or subsequent to the time I found out. For me the question of trust is paramount. I am not sure I would not take the words I love you without a grain of salt. Adultery always is accompanied by lies. It is a lie to live a false life. In most marriages the spouse expects fidelity, when the fidelity is only faked the spouse is actually living a lie.
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I love this show. I hope it stays on for many seasons to come. Bruce Campbell is always fantastic and I hope he pops in even after Christmas has past.
Bushi101,golfingdocp, sojourner1. Sorry guys, but I believe in basic emotional and thought differences between men and women. Neil engaging in the same activity as Grace is not the same betrayal. A man can have a one-night stand, or even a prolonged affair with a prostitute with little or no emotional feeling afterwards, but most women would have an emotional feeling that would occur before and after the physical interaction. The same is true for an extended affair (mistress) for a man. How many woman in history have had a harem of men or a long-time lover on the side? More likely a lover, but usually not more than one at a time. Men are genetically more inclined to spread their seed around, whereas women have to bear the children and have to think twice (not once) before engaging in sexual activity.2. Society determines the acceptable physical limits for which men and women are held accountable. In our society domestic violence, of any type, is not acceptable. That was not always true, and even today there are legal considerations for people who lose control of their emotions when they catch their spouses in an act of betrayal; this even includes if they commit murder. I don't think most of us would consider our spouses being raped as cause for divorce, but in some cultures it does matter; the woman is still guilty of adultery. Would any of you love your spouse less if she were raped??? I'm with golfingdocp on lying. There are too many diverse situations. Unless the lie were relative to infidelity, I don't think it would be sufficient to cause an ultimate disruption in my marriage.3. Psychologists say that a one-night affair, or even multiple one-night affairs are easier to forgive than a long-term affair. The survival probability of a marriage is inversely proportional to the length of the affair i.e. the longer the affair, the less chance for survival. For me, a one-night stand by my wife would be far more forgivable than an extended affair. An extended affair shows a gradual transference of her love to someone else, compared with just a momentary scratching of a sexual itch. As you get older and wiser, you can be more forgiving of your partner's short term weaknesses but limits are still necessary to live with " 'til death do us part." Either a short term or long term affair would be a deal breaker for me.
where's Damon and Elena??
Opening scene, they show the shoulder corner of Cho's suit coat and the Lisbon fawning over a pink diamond ring. Now I know you all thought, yes! Finally, true Jisbon but not we get a FBI sting. Then we have Lisbon wrapping her arms around Cho? Acting as normal as can be. Sure. Cho? Really? Don't you just love the dangling carrot scenario? Then we have Jane in the car acting as if he is irritated by what just happened and then we get the introduction of a cold. Don't you just love the manipulated psychology. Lisbon acts completely normal with Cho in a sting operation with Cho but acts likes she's in an arranged marriage with Jane. Then we have Jane and Lisbon fully dressed in the bed with each other. Yeah, that's believable. The scenario psychology here is obnoxious. They are writing like we are crack addicts waiting for our next hit. Stop that shit and get on with it HELLER! Okay, the hunt for Red John was fun! And then, well.....AND THEN. This is the same frustrating crap we put up with for six years. The tease, wow and we find ourselves here AGAIN? WITH JISBON? I AM NOT AMUSED. I have a really big gripe and Rationalgal you got it right! Jane shut down the CBI because of his hunt for Red John. He ruined Lisbon career there. Then he messes up her job in Washington. NOW JE WANTS TO HAVE HER LEAVER HER JOB AT THE FBI. WOW! HE'S MAKING ME TIRED. They are portraying Jane as a selfish, self centered person who only wants what he wants. Lisbon is the only reason he was successful in his quest. Lisbon's position and now he wants that too. Jane took away Lisbon's life, job and marriage. He had better come up with something spectacular in the end. Like pike questioned, is all she's getting is just Patrick Jane? Good question. The abnormality of the tease is frustrating, I just hope the pay off is worth it. You are right Rationalgal, we are being groomed for the finale.
I did not fall for the ring gag. Lisbon would not fawn over a pink diamond, she would not do that and if Jane did buy her a ring he would do it with poker winnings and present it in an interesting and romantic way; they are not conventional people. I do not see Jane as selfish, he is who he is and Lisbon knows who she is with. That is why Jane will be true to Lisbon, she is a good women who knows who he is and loves him anyway. I love the idea of a detective agency, with Rigsby etc. Freedom for Jane but Lisbon can keep hunting bad guys.
I like that idea and that would be a good finale
Considering the corruption at the CBI, Lisbon's job would have been kaput even without Jane. I don't think he's to blame for the CBI or the Washington job. She's had a choice to make at every turn and was always willing to lose her career/go elsewhere over Jane. Jane seems to be most important to her. If he presents her with an idea for their future together, she'll eventually agree.
I was glad when they gave up the whole Americana Initiative story line. Now with Malcolm Black, it feels like they're going down that road again.Yawn.
i like watching this episode especially around christmas and please keep posting the rewatch reviews.
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