This is one of the best shows on tv.
At first I was cheering so much for Zoe stick with George, they seemed so perfect togheter then I realized that they would be a boring couple, they like each other but the chemistry is one hundred percent Zade. I just hated Joel, he's boring and there's nothing on him that makes me like him, he isn't even cute or romantic, just seemed to me like a guy who liked the adventure in a small town southern way to live. Maybe Zade is all the series about, she left her confort zone in NYC to find a true love on a guy she never thought she would fall for, there's a lot of Georgie's in Manhattan but Wade is one of a kind and I think they are perfect for each other.
Okay, straight up, I do NOT want to see Dawson back with Mills. Okay, yeah, all the Mawson or Dills fans will be cry baby whiny butts, but come on. That would cause entirely too much tension in the firehouse. The only way, and I mean the ONLY way that something like that would work, is if they already planned on writing Casey out of the show. I'm sorry, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Plus, I never wanted to see Dawson and Mills together in the first place. I've been a Dawsey or Cason fan from the get go. All that have to do is ride out the rest of this season, then Dawson and Casey can get married no issue. I will say that if they put Mills and Dawson back together, I'm dropping off of the show, no ifs, ands, or buts. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a show that tries to mix things up, but for some reason, I can't get behind Mills and Dawson being an item. I just can't.
Good evening Winter, Golfingdocp, Sojourner, and our other fellow posters,I wanted to point some things that had been bothering me and I had questions about, so here I go. This is for episode one. 1. I missed it the first time around, but I finally heard Grace tell the job interviewer in the first episode, that she turned down the Fulbright scholarship to study in Florence when she learned that she was pregnant. I realize the significance of that because I hadn't quite understood why Neil in the last episode told Grace that he wanted to go to Italy 20 years ago. I also now suspect that Neil may have been planning to accompany Grace abroad while she studied under the Fulbright Program. I had incorrectly assumed that Grace had put aside the scholarship to marry Neil. Now I see that she had to turn down the scholarship because she was pregnant. I think that is an important distinction because I always thought Grace's decision to put her dreams on hold were similar to that of my wife. I think that also says a lot about Neil that he was very supportive of Grace in the beginning of their relationship. Did everyone know this? Does it make a different in your assessment of Neil and Grace? I wonder if that situation explains why Grace told Neil screw you in the ninth episode? 2. I think that a person's perception of themselves, regardless of if it is accurate or not, says a lot about who they think they are. In the first episode, Grace tells Stephanie that she realized that she has her mom's life ( to which Stephanie responds "ell" which is another thing that is an issue). Grace comments that she once considered herself an artist but that she's turned into Neil's wife. Regardless of whether her self perception is accurate, it's clear that Grace sees herself at that point as an extension of Neil rather than her own person. That's a sign of low self esteem. I wonder what type of life Grace and Stephanie's parents had. I kind of assume that their mother was unhappy. I also found it interesting that they never say anything about their father. I wonder if he was present in their lives? Could the unhappy upbringing explain why both Grace and Stephanie are dysfunctional? 3. I wondered whether Grace was concerned that Neil was having an affair from the first episode. When Neil informed Grace that he had to go into the office because of an emergency (he was going to meet Mallory), she had a strange reaction/stare that made me think she was wondering if Neil was having an affair (after all she was in the middle of her affair) and might have been concerned that Neil saying he had to go into the office that late was an excuse to allow him to meet someone (and actually that was the case). Grace then calls Neil early in the morning (while he is sleeping next to Mallory) and asked where he was? Grace further states that he hadn't responded to her texts. When Neil says that he'll have to go out of town again, Grace asked who was the new client. I had a feeling that they way she asked it, that Grace felt that Neil was having an affair and was saying he would be out of town to give him an opportunity to meet with the other woman. Grace asked him who the new client was in order to see how he would respond and if the answer would confirm her suspicion. That would explain why Grace went to Neil's office, to see if he was working (or cheating on her) only to find out that he quit. That would also explain why she asked Neil at the pool "what about us are we going to work out". 4. Grace expressed at that point that she was afraid because she didn't know what was happening to them. Is what Neil did in episode one ( freaking out in the plane and quitting his job) the beginning of a wake up call for Grace? Is that why she makes the decision to try to break off with Simon shortly after that? Is the fact that she is also worried that Neil may be having an affair the catalyst for her decision to end the affair?
Bushi101Great hunting. The first find is totally new to me. It does reinforce my belief that Neil has been actually more supportive of Grace than we have been giving him credit for. It is possible that the decision to not go for the Fulbright was entirely her decision and that she has been suppressing doubts about it every since. Actually, neither Anika nor Stephanie, has ever blamed Neil for her not advancing her career. In a sense, Grace might have been responsible for this portion of her unhappiness.The second find, was one of the instances where I suspected a bit of jealousy on Grace's part. Grace had just spent the previous afternoon screwing Simon's brains out, and may be feeling a bit of guilt. Remember, that Neil showed up at Anika's recital unexpectedly, and had proved to be highly supportive of his daughter. Grace was still wearing the soiled garments from her tryst. Neil made the excuse that he had to go back to the office after the recital. Neil working at the office overnight might have been a new phenomenon. He might have worked long hours but never overnight. Neil might also have broken a pattern when he suddenly did not return her text messages. That surely would have made her worried or suspicious. Grace then went to Neil's office, something she had never done before. She found out that he quit his job the day before, and brought his possessions home. Something else actually bothers me about these two days in the storyline. Neil had been texting Grace after his airplane meltdown. She failed to reply. He then called her office to find her and was given the address of the home she was showing. Why did Grace not check her phone and realize that her husband had been trying to reach her? Maybe, she checked her phone late at night and realized that Neil had been trying to reach her, and was now responding to his texts when she called his office at night. She might have had an intuitive feeling that something was wrong, because of what she had done the previous day or possibly that something bad had happened to Neil. She might have been worried that her failure to answer Neil's texts may have had something to do with his staying away all night. In the morning, when she finally reaches him by phone she is clearly suspicious. Her suspicions are confirmed when she goes to the office. When learning that her husband quit, I would be shocked if she did not ask someone in the office why he quit. If she did not, why did she not question him when he got home? The airplane incident was news to her until Stephanie showed it to her online. This shows Grace to be callously uninterested in her husband's motivations. Grace actually looks like the detached spouse. She had not visited his new employer for the 5 years he had worked at the location. She did not ask why he quit, and where was he when he was not at the office? These show detachment. If she suspects that he may be cheating it may be a reflection of guilt for her activities. The scene at the pool when she asks if they will make it, she has been cheating for 6 months, and Neil has suddenly quit his employment and lied to her about his actions. She may subconsciously be worried that her adultery has been found out, and that Neil is up to something. Then there is the scene by the pool with Anika and Neil, when Grace goes into the house and texts Simon about getting together. The family had just had a nice moment together, and Simon is whom she reaches out to. Neil finds this out, because he has Simons phone and it rings in his jacket by the pool. Grace must have gotten comfortable that Neil was unaware of her affair, and her romantic needs had to be satisfied. It is interesting that she turned to Simon to satisfy her desires, while her husband was clearly in an affectionate mood by the pool. Neil later uses the out of town new client lie, to meet up with Adriana for the first time. Grace is not suspicious? Why? Maybe, she just doesn't care. Neil meets the hedge fund owner while on the date with Adriana, and that later prompts his boss to ask him to return to the fold as a Vice-President. Still Grace had no questions for Neil. I totally believe that Grace was the person detached from the marriage. Neil, for all his issues, still wanted to include Grace in everything. It was Grace and her issues that had been destroying the marriage. Her affair just strengthened her resolve that she could go on without Neil. I believe that after Stephanie showed Grace the internet video of Neil freaking out, she dismissed the notion of an affair. She probably figured that Neil needed some time alone to find his own thoughts.I really have no clue why Grace wants to end her affair, unless it is due to the fact that Neil has become totally attentive to her every desire. Maybe she has the need for her husband to be totally engrossed in everything Grace. Yet Grace openly flits with Dylan, and sort of violates the husband-wife fidelity contract when she poses nude. These are not the actions of a woman worried about her marriage. When Grace and Neil have the sex moment in the bar bathroom, she was relieved that it was not about the affair. I believe, that it was this incident that was responsible for her breaking off the affair with Simon. She just dodged a big bullet.
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I have not been able to defend any of Graces actions from season 1 ,but I don't think the family pool scene, and her calling Simon, was ever confirmed as another sex date call. I believe that for a fleeting moment, Grace actually started to realize just what she loves about her marriage and family. I think that call was to break things off with Simon and arrange the final payment. Maybe I am wrong. The hardest part about that scene ,for me, was the screen saver for Grace, on Simons phone. Clearly a beautiful and happy moment of Grace, captured by Simon. It also bothered me that we never got to hear what the message was that Grace left and Neils reaction to it. I have read a lot here about all of life experiences that everyone has been through, and how it relates to this series. I think it's time for me to share a very brief background of my own situation, although Carissa has probably already figured it out, but first I need to get some stuff ready for Bears football. Will get back here shortly.
Reality Adictt, I was also thinking the same thing and have written a rather lengthy response to Golfindocp about a lot of things. I've written about the timeline based on facts after re-watching the first three episodes and I think Grace was also trying to break things off. Read my comment and let me know what you think.
No! I absolutely do not grant Neil absolution (if I were a priest) for cheating second. It was clearly wrong. BUT, there is always a but, when Neil does it initially with Mallory I am not sure that Neil does not consider his marriage ended. I think that his episode with Mallory actually helped save his marriage from his viewpoint. He was talking to someone who virtually mirrored his wife's comments (according to what Simon subsequent says). Neil therefore, gained invaluable insight into his own marriage. That is the only justification. Grace's affair was about Grace, not trying to understand Neil's situation. In fact, Grace has never really tried to understand Neil's trauma. This does not present as an equal partnership when it comes to understanding ones spouse. Neil wants to feel more, but has he really? He has spent the entire time trying to understand Grace better. What about his needs? I think that is going to possibly be the deal breaker for a while. Grace has many allies trying to help her resolve her issues, her husband has none.
Hi Bushi101 I re-watched episodes 1 and 2. I have a TIVO (with a DVD burner built-in). I have the series on disk so I can blow through commercials. You are correct about the timelines. I was wrong about Neil being offered a VP ship. It was the partnership. Some corrections from my viewpoint. In the scene by the pool when Grace asks Neil if they would make it, I believe that she had just asked him why he hadn't mentioned his breakdown at work or the plane to her. He replied that he did not want to worry her, and that he would work it out. The night before Neil's breakdown, Neil attempted to get amorous with Grace in bed. She spurned him, stating that she was too tired. The next day, she did Simon at the house showing. It may well have been a common occurrence, since she was already 6 months into the affair. In fact, the scene with Stephanie at the gym may well have been in the same time period, and therefore Grace had already found the sexual substitute, and was routinely spurning Neil. Neil's scene at the gym was just before his meltdown, so I kind of assume Grace's gym scene was in the same time period. When Stephanie was told by Grace of Neil's meltdown, she asked Grace if anything were going on at home, Grace said no. She lied of course. She had been cheating for 6 months. When Grace asked Neil if they were going to make it (by the pool), she was speaking in code of her affair and his meltdown. She had no evidence or suspicion of his affairs. The timeline you detailed probably points more to Grace's acceptance of Neil's absence (with Mallory) as a reaction to his meltdown. She really doesn't ask him where he has been. Neil states (at the Zen Masters' residence) that someone has invited him for sex over the weekend) he must have used the out of town trip excuse to justify his absence. There is no mention of Grace questioning that explanation. In fact, that seems illogical because technically Neil was unemployed and Grace knew it. When Neil gets home from Adriana's his boss is there to offer him the partnership. Again, why doesn't Grace question him as to his whereabouts. I believe that Grace doesn't really care, and just assumes he had checked into some hotel where he could get his head straight (totally my impression). Grace never questions Neil as to where he has been. She may really not care. It is interesting to note, that in the moments before Simon's car was towed, he had asked his current client whether she wanted to schedule her next appointment. This probably shows a pattern on Simon's part. As any good service individual, he wants to ensure future receipts. This I assume is what he did with all of his clients, including Grace. I missed this point, but upon re-watching the first 2 episodes, it is apparent that Adriana knew Neil's actual identity the day after he accompanied her to the art exhibition. She called him by his actual name, Neil Truman. From what we have learned about Adriana, it is not far fetched to assume that she was now well aware of his marital status and the plane meltdown. She tells him that she wants to know more about his story. She has a real interest in his welfare, as shown by the manner in which she was willing to impersonate his wife, in order to help him get the hedge fund account. In sad fact, Adriana shows more sympathy for Neil than does his actual spouse. By the way, a very interesting note, when Neil showed up at Anika's recital it was a few hours after witnessing his wife's tryst. Neil specifically asked Anika if he could watch her performance off stage "alone". He did not want to be with Grace. Grace then shows up and interlocks arms with Neil so that he must sit with her. She is again in the same outfit from the house showing. Why did Simon warn Neil not to go home after he discovered the tryst? I can understand not going back and confronting Grace, but not going home? Neil does go home and change clothes. Where was Grace during this time period? She left the house showing soon after Simon, but Anika's recital was at night. I bet she was returning the tie, that earlier that morning she had given to Neil (I am just assuming this to make it seem more malicious). Actually to answer my own question, Simon was assuming that Grace would go home and change her soiled garments, and thus he was telling Neil not to have a confrontation. This is just another small example I believe, showing how little Grace either cares about her relationship or being discovered. She does tell Neil, after he thanked her for giving him things, that the tie had been returned. I believe that this takes place at the pool scene when she questions if they would survive. Why did Grace return the tie? I believe it was because the tie was just a gift to ease her conscience about the affair, but since Neil did not seem overly impressed it had to go back. The tie was not about Neil, it was about her betrayal. Much like the Manolo shoes.
I have a question for you. Would you feel the same about Neil without any insight from him via the Monk? What we're missing to put the stories on equal footing is exposition. Grace had none at all until opinions on Neil were well formed.
Grace had an opportunity to expand on her situation when he sister asks her if anything is going on at home? Grace says no. The writers are obviously trying to demonstrate Grace's insistence upon keeping her infidelity secret. Grace actually has little, to no inquisitiveness about Neil's prolonged absences. I agree with Bushi101, Winter, and yourself that Grace is probably trying to put the affair behind her, but all the information that we have about the affair has come from Grace's perspective. We have not seen any real evidence that Neil was anything other than a hard working spouse who due to employment pressure had become distant at home. It is really interesting that in all the scenes with Grace, Neil is the more affectionate of the two, and only at the end of episode 10 does Grace instigate a kiss. Grace has her romantic outlet in Simon, and Neil has all the attributes of an affection deprived spouse.
I think without question, we know more about Neil than we do Grace.Maybe I should have said we saw more of Neil's +'s and more of Grace's -'s. He was cast in a better light than she was. Here's hoping they balance the scales in season 2.
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I think that you have made some valid points but I feel that some of your assumptions are not based on fact (at least those that the writers have revealed to us) and are based on your gut feeling. Your recitation of the facts of the night when Grace spurned Neil's overture are correct but I think it is speculation to suggest that this has become a common occurrence. There is no evidence to back up that assumption although it may be a correct one. When I looked for evidence to corroborate or challenge that assumption, I considered Grace's conversation with Stephanie in the gym where Grace implies that she and Neil may not be having sex even once a month. I then considered what Simon told Neil outside the tanning salon (assuming that Simon was truthfully relating what Grace told him); that Grace said that Neil had checked out of the marriage for at least a year and was emotionally unavailable. Finally, I also considered how Grace reacted to Neil in the bathroom scene. She didn't spurn Neil that time and clearly enjoyed the passion. When she whispered that she missed this, I speculated that she was saying that she missed this level of passion and powerful raw sex between the two of them. In my opinion, the facts as least as we know, show nothing more than the fact that she spurned him that night. I keep on wondering why you so strongly believe that Grace doesn't care about Neil or their marriage when the timeline shows that from episode 2, Grace was taking steps to end her affair with Simon. Naturally, that's the first step in trying to correct things. I am not saying that Grace is a wonderful person. She did have an extra-marital affair. She lied in order to protect her secret. She was an absent parent and partner during those six months and people did suffer as a result (ie. Anika had to turn to her aunt for support). As to why Grace did not ask Neil why he did what he did and where he was the last couple of days, I can also ask the question why Neil didn't ask Grace about the tryst at the house. It's not because they don't care about each other, its that neither one of them know how to talk to each other anymore. Did the revision of the timeline change your opinion of Grace in any manner? Did the fact that she was trying to end the relationship or that she went to the therapist something that showed she might have some good still in her? I noticed that you didn't comment on that. The decision to bring out the truth is not an easy one because both Neil and Grace suspect that it can be a marriage breaker and they have only to look towards Mateo's parent for confirmation of their greatest fears. The failure to address this problem in season 1 will probably cause the turmoil in season 2 because you and I know that Neil and Grace will only be able to save their marriage after they have been completely honest with each other. Since you re-watched the scene when Simon asked the client to write a check and then tried to set up the next appointment, didn't you think that the woman's reaction was a little muted, strange? In my line of work, we're always looking for subtle clues to see if they can give us insight into what people may be feeling or thinking. While, it probably is a good business practice, I still felt that it had a bit of crassness to it. Instead, what I felt was the signs of a successful escort was when Simon asked the client if she wanted to stay for dinner (as we suspect Simon did for Grace as reflected in the image that Neil saw when he was in Simon's apartment). That extra is what creates the level of intimacy that keeps a satisfied client coming back for more attention and sex. I'm not surprised that Neil asked Anika if he could watch her from off stage alone. After what Neil witnessed earlier in the day, I'm amazed that he was able to keep his emotions in check. I assume that he was able to keep it together because he knew how important the night was for his daughter. Of course, it was an important point that he was the only parent that clapped after Anika's performance. I guess you and I will continue to discuss these issues until next year. What if we're both wrong? LOL.
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You make great points. I agree that Grace has made some efforts to end or diminish her affair, but I believe that they have been somewhat half-hearted. Grace could have put a definitive end to her involvement at any time, but she did not. She still maintained a strong emotional and passionate bond with Simon (recall the day dream with Mateo's parents). This was never severed, so may be the relationship was never actually stopped. Even when Simon shows up at her house, she never says I never want to see you again. She initially threatens Simon because he surprised her there, but when he is leaving she doesn't say a thing about stopping their contact. The only evidence we have that she wants to stop her affair, is the statement from her that the last tryst was a mistake and that she had meetings with her psychologist. There is no statement in the therapists office that she has stopped seeing Simon, only that she wants to save her marriage. Has anyone postulated the possibility that maybe Grace is envisioning a relationship with Neil similar to the one that Adriana has with her spouse. Remember the very passionate kiss in Adriana's driveway. There was no sign of revulsion. It was a prolonged reciprocal embrace of intimates. She could have severed the relationship at that point. She did not. She allowed Simon to disclose the information that he intended to give. She then ran away. Is it possible that she hurried home to escape before Neil returned? Remember her flight was only curtailed because Mateo's parents arrived. She called the psychologist to make the appointment we later witnessed. She was reaching out to whomever would be supportive in order not to be alone. The same goes for her sister. Neither of these two individuals, to our knowledge, criticized Grace for her infidelity. The psychologist even agreed to play the role of marriage counselor for a client with whom she has established a confidante role. This is clearly not an ethical situation. Is this by chance? What are the writers trying to tell us?Before I forget. I don't understand why Simon wanted a check from that client. If the IRS has liens on your accounts, cash would be the desired mode of payment. Some situations do not make sense yet. Possibly we may get explanations later. The psychologist's role is clearly compromised and that really worried me. I also freeze framed Neil's recollections of other encounters and did not recognize the other women. Maybe he had other affairs or they were girlfriends prior to marriage? More mysteries. Carissa makes the point that we have information about Neil from the Monk, well in fact, we have similar information about Grace from her intimate, her sister. Grace has been intentionally cast as the provocateur is this drama. The reason is her affair. Neil states early in the first episode that he wants to feel more, not less. This is precisely what Grace wanted also. She states it through Simon. Grace's path to self discovery is one of lies and deceit with the potential to destroy the lives of her entire family. Neil has been dragged into this debauchery by Grace's activity. He did not instigate the affairs. He is responsible for taking part in them but they were not of his initial invention. Is there such a thing as justifiable adultery (haha, i.e., justifiable homicide). Grace was an emotionally detached and lonely woman. We all agree on this. She could have gone to therapy, she didn't. Neil had similar issues, he didn't betray Grace or his marriage. He imploded. Grace cheated at first blush with Simon. Was this her first? We don't know. We all assume it is. Why must we assume that Neil has cheated on Grace prior to seeing her tryst? I believe that at the present time we must assume what we know and that is that they have a marriage in flux and the potential for a very destructive first episode of the second season.
I think that Grace, deep down, wants to save her marriage, and so she took steps to sever her relationship with Simon. However, Grace is a tortured soul because a part of her craves the relationship with Simon because of what it provides her, excitement, adventure, and great sex. Grace is like an addict. She craves adventure and excitement and obtains it from Simon although she knows that it is wrong. She tries to walk away from her addiction but isn't strong enough yet to simply walk away. She enjoys the passion and sex, and that's why she hasn't been able to simply stop Simon when he kisses her passionately. It's a cliche but Grace's mind is saying no but her body is saying yes. I'm sure that you have seen your share of addicted personalities. I have, and Grace's behavior reminds me of people that I know who have an addictive personality. When Simon asked the client for a check, he wasn't aware that the IRS had put a lien on his assets. The client points out that his car is being towed and Simon is upset with the tow truck operator because he had just made a payment. Later, in the episode, he finds out from someone on the phone that the IRS has placed the lien on his assets. You wrote that Grace's journey is one of lies and deception with the potential to destroy her family. You know that Neil's subsequent choices also are based on deception and has the potential to destroy his family but you seem to imply that he's not at fault simply because he wasn't the first to cheat, that Grace's cheating dragged him into it. You claim that Neil didn't betray Grace or his marriage, What do you call his sleeping with three other women? Are you implying that Neil is justified in what he did? Are you suggesting that it wasn't a betrayal because Grace did it first? The fact is that both Grace and Neil made terrible choices that have the potential to destroy their families and hurt Anika. Two wrongs do not make a right. In defense of both Neil and Grace, I've always suggested that there were circumstances that placed them in a position where they made a terrible choice. Those circumstances are what needs to be addressed as part of any future solution and attempt to salvage the marriage. It's true that they both need to come clean. But do you think that they can truly save their marriage unless they address their complaints? Regardless of whether Grace's perception that Neil has been checked out of the marriage for a year and has been emotionally unavailable is accurate or not, that perception has to be addressed as part of any solution. And that goes for all of Neil's issues as well. I conclude this post by stating that I don't think anyone has ever assumed that Neil had an affair prior to Grace's affair. Some have wondered about it. The mediation clip made me wonder about who the two women were. For now, it's just a question.
Golfingdocp, I think you would be surprised if you went back and watched the series as I have started to do. In retrospect, I'm getting a lot more information and getting a better sense of the timeline. At the end of episode1, when Neil realizes that Grace has called Simon's cell phone, we don't know what type of message she left, if any but she probably asked for a meeting (as will be made clearer by subsequent texts). In episode 2, the Zen Master got Simon's phone out of Neil's pocket and text Grace a message saying that he wants to meet soon. Neil replies that since the Zen Master used Simon's phone that Grace will think Simon wants to see her. Later in the episode, we see Grace get the Zen Master's text "Got your message. Let's meet soon." Grace replies "Thanks for getting back. When should we meet?" Ironically, Grace then calls Neil on his phone to tell her that she got the job setting up the lobby. Later that night, Neil and Grace are discussing Anika's situation. Neil asked Grace if she would lie or not tell him something if she knew it would upset him and Grace responds that it depends.on if she really thought he needed to know. Neil replies that he would do the same. Neil then sends Grace a text on Simon's phone setting up a meeting for Tuesday. I assume that he is planning to take the Zen Master's suggestion and meet Grace and be honest. Grace replies "Sounds Perfect". Simon then steals Neil's car and finds his cell phone. He looks at the text messages and realizes that Neil used the phone and has set up a meeting with Grace on Tuesday posing as Simon. Simon send Grace a text "We need to talk". At the end of the episode, Grace arrives at Simon's apartment. Simon says (LOL at the unintended homage to our childhood game) "You got my message?" Grace gives Simon the rest of the money that she owes him and tells Simon that she doesn't want to see him anymore and that they're done. While Simon kisses Grace and tried to convince her to come inside, she manages to detach herself and walk away. This is the point in the story when Grace attempts to break off the relationship with Simon. We get confirmation that Grace has broken off the relationship in episode 3. In the scene where Neil goes to the spa and assaults Simon because he thinks Simon is hitting on Anika, Simon tells Neil that Grace has broken off the relationship and doesn't want to see him. Later on in episode 3, when Simon has tracked Grace down and come upon Grace having a drink with her initial boss, we learn that Grace has not been returning Simon's call (which is why he had to track her down and approach her in open public). I would point out that Simon wants to tell Grace that Neil knows about the affair. Why? I suspect that he wants to warn Grace but that he also wants a little payback at Neil's expense and wants to throw a monkey wrench in the works. When Grace tells Simon to go away and that she already paid him and it's the end of the story, Simon walks off and hits on Grace's boss. I need to point out how this episode shows Simon's selfishness and indifference to women. He puts Grace in a bad spot as his approaching her in public raises the possibility that her secret may become public knowledge. He also does this in front of her boss. After he has been rejected, he walks off and hits on Grace's boss, which reminds me of how Simon hits on Grace while he's on a date. He doesn't care about how he treats one woman if another that he wants and may be a potential client is available. We also assume that Simon slept with Grace's boss (she implies to Grace after Grace got her fired that she's aware of Simon's occupation). And he wants to claim later that he cares about Grace. I also want to point out that the evidence may indicate that Grace only has one relapse. There is only one scene where we know that Grace goes back to Simon after she broke it off. She says that it's a mistake. We know that Neil becomes aware that Grace has gone back to meet with Simon after the first episode when he finds evidence of the parking ticket (the inference being that she got the ticket after the date of the first episode). I don't know if Grace got the ticket when she relapsed or on another date, but I think it's clear that Grace is trying to end the relationship with Simon and that she knows that her relapse is a mistake. However, we know that Grace is day dreaming about the relapse at the opening of the lobby and that later in that same episode, Neil finds out about the ticket. That's why there may have only been one relapse. It must be a problem for Neil when he realizes that Grace has gone back to Simon's apartment after the time of the first episode. But he can't be surprised since he sent the e-mail setting up the meeting on Tuesday (where he planned to confront Grace and be honest) and might be wondering if he set up a time for Grace and Simon to have sex since he is unaware that Grace has already broken of the relationship. You pointed out that Neil worked long hours but may not have worked overnight and that it may have been a new practice. It was interesting that two of Grace's book of the month club friends are talking about how she is behaving and one mentions that Neil is planning on sleeping overnight at the office and is concerned about Grace but the other replies that they shouldn't read anything into it because Neil lives at the office. However, I think that the excuse that he had to work overnight may have cause Grace to be worried that he was having an affair. You believe that Grace had become detached from the marriage and you're probably correct to a degree. You noted that she hadn't been to his office for the five years he worked there, that she didn't ask anyone at the office why Neil quit, and that she didn't ask Neil that question when he got home, and that the airplane incident was news to her until Stephanie showed it to her. I want to point out that you may be a little off on your timeline when it come to Grace going down to Neil's office. When Grace goes to the office, the scene conveniently cuts off shortly after Grace asked the receptionist if Neil is there. We don't know how Grace reacted when I'm sure that the receptionist told her about Neil quitting. I acknowledge that Grace had not been down to Neil's office and that may be a sign of a problem (but I have to admit that my wife never comes down to my office but we're a secured building and spouses vising the office is a rare thing). The next scene shows Grace at Stephanie's place and Stephanie asked Grace what is she going to tell Anika (I assume that Grace has told Stephanie about Neil quitting) and Grace replies that the whole thing may be her fault because Neil has been very unhappy although she has tried to cheer him up (she brought him a tie). Grace then tells Stephanie that she learned at the office about the airplane meltdown and that it's supposed to be online. At that point, Stephanie finds the video on line. I want to note that Grace has a little odd smile on her face when she watches the video (sometimes all we can learn about Grace's thoughts are by watching her subtle emotional clues) and I get the feeling that she's proud of Neil reacting the way that he does (as she wants to act herself). The first chance that Grace sees Neil after he has quit his job is when he comes home. Remember however, that the day after Neil sleeps with Mallory, he visits the Zen Master, meets Adriana for the first time, goes with Adriana to the party, and then has sex with her. Neil wakes up the next morning and finally goes home only to find his former boss at the house waiting for him. Grace doesn't have a chance to talk to Neil since the boss is at the house and wants to talk to Neil. After the boss leaves, Grace walks out and asked Neil why didn't he tell her about everything and Neil replies that he didn't want to worry her. Then Grace asked Neil if things were going to work out between them and that she was scare since she didn't know what was happening to them.I agree that Grace had become detached from the marriage; after all she had an affair, but I don't think she was as detached as you think she was. I think if you watch the series again, you'll catch things that you might have missed, as I am learning as I watch the shows again. I think we have to also acknowledge that Neil has also become detached from the marriage before the affair began. From Grace's perception, she believes that Neil has completely checked out of the marriage for the last year, that he is emotionally unavailable, and that he has not been supportive of her following her dreams. This is what Simon told Neil in the third episode after Neil assaulted Simon in the tanning salon. While it is only Grace's perception, we get the feeling that it's true because of how Neil responds and acts as Simon is telling him what Grace has told him. Those issues are also the ones that Neil tries to work on from that point and we see them come up in his talks with Grace. I want to leave you with two interesting inquiries. 1. I missed this one but noticed it as I have started to re-watch the series. In the third episode, when Neil is talking to the Zen Master about the Fulbright scholarship and Grace's plan to study design in Florence, he says that he stopped Grace from doing that. I wonder why he would say that considering he says in the last episode that he wanted to go to Italy 20 years before. Is he blaming himself for Grace getting pregnant?2.At the end of the second episode, Neil is practicing zen mediation under the direction of the Zen Master who tends Neil to focus on the present. Neil's thinks about Mallory, Adriana, and Grace but he also thinks about two women who I do not recognize and the scenes imply intimacy. Is Neil fantasizing about two women that he might have recently come into contact with or is he thinking about two intimate encounters that happened. At that point, we only know that Neil has slept with Mallory and Adriana. Who are these two women? Do you think Neil is remembering two previous affairs?
Excellent excellent, re watch and recap of the first episodes and somewhat of a defense of Grace. I also have all of season 1 saved but choose not to re watch it because I don't want all the angst and memories to return. I am wondering if the 2 women you didn't recognize are from the party that Neil attended with Adriana.
The party where people wore masked happened after the meditation session. I reviewed the art gallery scene which Neil attended with Adriana and didn't see either female. With this show, it's the little details that age going to play a role later. How much do you want to wager that Grace's former boss will become a problem in season 2?
Because I am not prone to re watch that episode, I'll take your word for it. Have to wonder if, unlike The Affair, if Jablonski thought we would watch every nuances of season 1 for clues to season 2.
I looked at the party in freeze frame. None of the women matched the dream. I won't bet you, you are correct too often.
The Zen Master told Neil that we daydream about the future and remember the past. The women in Neil's dream may be in his imagined future, just as Grace's daydream (the night of Mateo's parents) was Grace imagining her future.
I know what you mean. I have all the series except episodes 1 and 2. I haven't watched any of them for the same reason you haven't.
Ugh you're a terrible writer Carla.
Avid Private Practice fan and have loved Amelia joining the cast!! Did they ever say what happened to her and James?! Last I heard they were engaged and then it slowly puttered out of the show?! Any ideas?! Loved the winter finale and little shout outs and flash backs!!
Yes. They were still engaged when she came to visit the first time, but she was feeling smothered, and so when she decided to take the job at SGMH, they broke up.
Here's to hoping Fitz dies and Mellie for some reason ends up as the President. That would be a serious upturn for the show. Mellie as President would reel me back in as a loyal watcher. I fast-forward the scenes with Fitz now and realized that I'm not missing any of the plot. He seriously does not make any of the major decisions that moves the story along. Other than arresting Jake he has not contributed much.
That sentence right there shows geekydiorgirl you have the intelligence of a 5 year old and could not have possibly watched this show from the beginning. You need to think outside what writers want you to see. For one there is absolutely nothing that mellie has done that would even remotely make her president material everything blows up in her face!!!
Exactly JJenner!! Fitz is one of the characters that moves the plot along. We will most defitnitely see him moving it along now that Liv has been kidnapped cause she is his heart. He will be wrapped all up in the plot of that storyline, I guarantee that. You know, when I see comments swimming in anti-Fitz hate, I usually ignore them and not even respond. I don't care for Jake but you can't find 1 comment from me, swirled in anti-Jake hate. If you don't have the maturity for the show, GeekyDiorGirl, please just find a new TV show to view on your Thursday evenings.
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Thank you NatB!!
I don't know. The way this show is going geekydiorgirl may get her wish, not about Mellie becoming president - this is not Evita - but about Fitz getting killed. See my comments below about an analysis of demographics in relation to Fitz's age and years he has been married. To paraphrase the last line of King Kong (Oh no, it wasn't the airplanes. It was beauty killed the beast.) Oh no, it wasn't the assassin's bullet. It was demographics that killed the president!
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Well the writers and cast pulled it off again this week.. I love this show so much I watch it a few times.. this is war, and you got to fight for your people but Finn I am worried about.. The scene with him just murdering them grounders was tormenting. I felt heartbroken for him though.. I get Clarke backing away but he is lost and needs her.. Jasper, something bad is going to happen, and why does he trust these people so much.. It makes me mad how much he does. Lincoln will be ok he is a survivor.. I am so excited for what is next..
Finn is my favorite character, and I have a serious emotional attachment to him. So this was very upsetting to me. He's the classic tragic hero now, and I feel deeply sorry for him. I hope Clarke realizes that he needs help and doesn't turn her back on him. BTW, Thomas Mcdonell turned in an excellent performance here, and he certainly ain't bad to look at either. Nobody does wet, bloody,dirty and bruised cuter than this guy.
Okay, now understand why they had all of the clips. When they showed them, I thought the series had reached its end. Heck, with the death of Wo Fat, if very well could have been.
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