Japril better work it out!
I am kinda over Fitz. Olivia owned up to her affair so she can finally have a healthy relatioship with him. I personally wished she went for Jake as he knows her more than Fitz and he is capable of putting his feelings aside for the good of everyone. Fitz, as long as Olivia is ok, the rest of the world can burn for all he cares.
As for the war, are you forgetting that it was a coup? Are you forgetting that he talked it over with Mellie and she agreed with him? Are you forgetting that once Cyrus stopped the coup the war was ended? Unfortunately, the writers have thrown the most outlandish things at this relationship, all in an attempt to prolong the inevitable, that Fitz and Olivia's relationship doesn't seem real. I mean, as I mentioned, they threw a coup, her father being a super spy, her mother being a terrorist - I mean really. Season 1 and the first part of Season 2 were great because there obstacles were realistic - of course Melle would be the scorned wife - of course Cyrus would do anything to save Fitz presidency, so the things they did were believable. Once they added B613 and the stupid triangle (Jake Ballard) the relationship of Fitz and Olivia, for many people went to hell - not me, because I happen to know a plot device when I see one (lol)
LOL. I do believe this season will be better than the last one which was not good because of too much B613 and I was getting bored with Olivia's father. I do wish that her mother would be on this season though, as she is a tough cookie and always tells her daughter what we all think and she is always spot on.
Even though her mother might be "spot on" as you state, her mother lost her right to even talk about her daughters life. Her mother, to me, is a selfish individual who gave up her family for a life of crime. As Olivia noted, her mother let her lover be killed, and to Olivia, this meant that her mother was not really capable of loving anyone. Even when Olivia helped her, Maya went back to her ways - which I found shocking because how could someone who was locked up for 22 years still have contacts to that world. But you are right, I really hated last season with the B613 as well as her mother and father. I wish the writers would have given her parents different backgrounds - they could have still been dysfunctional, with different backgrounds.
How can they have a healthy relationship? The circumstances are horrible. I too want a real couple and I hope we get it this time. I think the war was to show the audience that this wasn't just an affair. I wish they had written a different scenario but this is Scandal we're talking about. Also had he not gone to war people would have complained the he didn't really love her.
"Fitz, as long as Olivia i ok, the rest of the world can burn for all he cares."That's the real issue isn't it, he loves her and you feel she doesn't deserve it.
The real issue is that his love for her is not healthy, it clouds his judgement as a President. If they had a normal, healthy relationship, he would be able to focus on his job as a president. That's the real issue here. The guy created a war in Africa that killed many people just so he can save her as if she was the Messiah or something. I am rooting for them and I have been since season 1 but I want a real couple, not this charade that has been going on for 5 years.
Obviously, since it's a show, we want it to last longer so us asking the writers to make them a normal couple, would mean the end of the show and it's still too soon. I just hope that now , this season will focus on resolving cases and dealing with the aftermath of Olivia's confirmation about her affair with the POTUS.
Well, it Olivia and OPA are going to solve cases, then I hope the cases get better. They haven't had decent cases that I haven't figured out in the 1st two minutes since Season 2. All the cases, especially during Season 4 and the two cases in Season 5 have been no brainers, and frankly the cases were boring.
I agree. We need cases that involve everyone including the WH.
I think it would be nice to know the circumstances that made Olivia's mother become who she is now, how did she become a terrorist and why did she abandon her daughter. I don't believe they scratched the surface of her past enough, we may even understand her reasons. I know she is a cold woman but unlike her husband, I don't believe for one second she would have ever done anything to hurt her daughter.
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@James - sometimes words, and not actions, have more of a detrimental effect on children. Take for example the case of the week and Gavin. His father did not physically abuse him, but the verbal abuse drove him to kill his own father. I listened to the way Maya and especially Rowan, have talked to their very grown daughter and it is extreme verbal and psychological abuse. Maya literally called Olivia "the help" - which I found to be totally unfair especially since Olivia's job requires her to help the rich and famous with a crises. Not once did I see Maya or Rowan show any warmth to Olivia, but in all fairness, during the flash backs in Season 2, Rowan was trying to re-establish his relationship with Olivia by having dinner with her in exchange for paying her college loans. Olivia doesn't have an emotional connection to either parent and like you said her mother is a cold-hearted, money driven woman. Words can be just as damaging as physical abuse.
To fair, concerning "the help" comment, I agree with her in a sense that even if she ends up with Fitz, he is a Republican and I think many of his voters will lstop supporting him because he had an affair with a Black woman. In US, even in 2015, some people still view us as second class citizens, so in that sense Maya is right. Ans some of her criticisms are valid, especially the last conversation they had, I was siding with her mother all along. When it comes to Fitz, she can be pretty dumb but I guess we all have been in love so it's understandable and it's not always easy to stay focused.
As for an affair with a Black woman, it is not only Republicans that will stop supporting him - some black people will view Olivia as a sell-out (look at all the grief Condaleeza Rice endured by working in the Bush White House - whereas Colin Powell did not receive any flack from the black community) But back to Maya - using that type of reasoning, then any black person who has a decent job with a white boss will always be considered the help. I hate this line of thinking, which equates to sell-out because this is what is holding black people down. As a black woman, and as a teacher in the inner city, I see this type of destructive thinking all the time. Look at Maya - she is a criminal, plain and simple - and Olivia is an educated woman who owns her own business, but makes a living fixing the problems of the wealthy. In regards to Fitz, I don't think she's pretty dumb. The only dumb decision she made in regards to Fitz was Defiance - and it took a lot of strong arming from Cyrus for her to get on board. Besides that, she can given Fitz pretty sage advice, which is her job. Olivia is not the only fixer in town - that line of work, especially with the elite is big business. Fixers, or PR firms are standard practice so again, I took Maya's comments are very demeaning to Olivia's work - I mean White folks who do the same thing - and let's face it, there are more white PR firms than minority firms yet I get the feeling Maya would not have viewed their firms as the help As for Maya's last conversation, I do agree with you. I saw no purpose in Olivia wanting to get rid of B613 and I thought it was the stupidest (if that is a word) storyline of Scandal so far. Olivia has known about B613 for a long time, beginning with Huck, yet it did not make it her mission to get rid of it. The B613 storyline is why I hate Jake - because it was Jake that brought all of this into Olivia's life and helped make it her mission to get rid of B613.
I loved the show because there you had a woman of color being the chief, being educated, being an anti-stereotype, so obviously I loved Olivia Pope for that. But I do think that Maya meant that Olivia was the help in the sense that she is just a sidepiece for the president, that she will never be his wife or the mother of his children,that his family or the country will never see her as the wife of the president or the first lady and in that sense, Maya is right.
And I was gonna re-watch season 2 on Netflix so I can catch up to season 3. Oh well.
"Learning she was responsible for Charlie's death sealed my dislike for the character. Noma always seemed so straightforward, dedicated and in love with Alex. Now we know that guilt and a life debt were her true motivation."At the beginning it surely was. Just like Michael's motivation of protecting Alex were the markings and nothing else, at first. But I firmly believe Noma, just like Michael, began to care for Alex. I also believe she actually *does* love him, which makes this so much more heartbreaking. I foretold the -possible- connection of Lucifer and Noma some episodes ago and I really can't blame her for wanting her wings back. The amphora of darkness storyline showed pretty clear how much she suffered.So now I'm hooked on her storyline in season 3. She made a deal with the devil, literally, but is still in love with Alex. There's so much potential! I'm satisfied with Claire's end. Let's be honest, there was nothing left for her character. Vega has fallen, Alex chose Noma and her father is gone. I have to admit I'd have preferred a clean cut here - kill the General as well, make David move to Helena with Arika and leave Vega behind completely. As usual in the last episodes, what made this the most enjoyable for me were Michael and Gabriel, along with the Prophet and Lucifer. Also liked the clarification that there are of course other Prophets, as well as the explanation why Lucifer waited so long with his vengeance. Looking forward to the brothers' storylines - Michael was the one saving Lucifer, but Gabriel was the favourite brother (as stated on Syfy's Dominion homepage, Lucifer trusted Gabriel the most, which is why the latter was haunted by guilt for centuries after they slayed him). This promises to become one hell of a storyline! Oh, also totally happy to see Julian again! His monologue was such a great ending!
I've got to disagree about Noma, San. She proved herself a traitor on several occasions. Gabriel even warned Michael "how long before she betrays you?" She may have fallen for Alex, but she wanted her wings back more. That's the choice she made. Claire, on the other hand, put herself in harms way time and again for her people. She even bombed Gabriel's aerie, sacrificing Alex, to save mankind. I think there was plenty of story left to tell and feel she didn't get a fair shake. Claire died a hero, Noma is just selfish.
Well, maybe that's the point why we see this so differently :-) I don't see Noma as a coward, I see her as very human. Also, I prefer characters who are grey-ish and not black or white. Guess that's why her storyline interests me much more than Claire's ever did. Plus, whenever Claire made a decision (shooting Zoe, going back to her dyad father...) I usually groaned in frustration because I just couldn't understand why she did what she did (or how she did it). I guess that's exactly how you feel with Noma.
Exactly :) Her wings were everything to her, it's like losing someone you love, to have them suddenly be ripped away from you, you'd do pretty much anything to have it all back. Still hope they'll be some redemption for Noma, I'm pretty sure its not easy to walk out of a deal with Satan himself lol.
One of my big frustrations this season was that the actions of many of the characters in Vega didn't make sense or seemed out of character, and that was especially true of Claire. I felt that the entire civil war was just a time-killer until the writers could bring the events in Mallory and New Delphi to bear on Vega and the humans. The war could have really been a way to develop Claire and the other humans as characters, but that didn't happen. Now that Vega is under angelic control, there was simply nothing left for Claire, and honestly, Duma is just way more interesting. So glad Alan Dale finally has something to do again. As for Noma, I always preferred Alex and Noma as a couple, and so it is unfortunate that Noma has turned traitorous. I wanted her to get her wings back, but even though I understand their importance to her, this action is a sign of deeper character flaws. I think the recent flashbacks have revealed that Noma is weak and lacks conviction. She followed Gabriel first 25 years ago, but didn't seem to know why she she was making that choice, and Michael forced her into protecting Alex, an oath she was very willing to break when things got rough. It certainly explains why Michael's first worse nightmare was that Noma would kill Alex, and I have to wonder why she was Michael's favorite to begin with. That being said. I knew she or Claire wouldn't survive, and I am glad Noma did.
Seriously? Why do you have to write Hot Nate and all?? Makes me puke seeing you write like a teen who has hit her puberty.
It's just become a part of the way I write the review. Sorry that it bothers you, but thanks for reading anyway.
You can write Hot Nate if you want because your the one doing the review and it's your opinion. Your opinion is neither right or wrong. You like Hot Nate and its okay.
Thanks. It really is just my opinion and the way I've written the reviews from the beginning.
great review ... and the "Hot Nate" isn't a problem for me.
Girl, don't worry about Hot Nate. Hell you can even swap and put Hot Frank I won't be bothered by it ! People I tell you, has humor died or what ?
It's because he's hot.
I've just finished watching it and I'm honestly not sure how I feel because I hate season ending cliffhangers with a fiery passion. Especially when renewal isn't yet guaranteed.
I wasn't sure either, for the same reason, now I've just decided for myself Dominion will be renewed and refuse to believe anything else until they tell me so ;-)
Ha, wish I were inclined to be as optimistic. :) I called Noma getting white wings though. I wonder now if Lucifer's are/were also white.
Maybe they are and that's a reason he was called 'lightbringer'? Because of his wings reflecting the sunlight? Just a thought though.
That could be, it would make sense. I also like the idea that it flips stuff on its head with black wings being the "good" wings, and then the white wings would be "evil" wings. It reminds me of how in a lot of Asian cultures it's white that represents death, not black.
I guess because you would never suspect those who look like their good "white" to be evil, props to them for this awesome season so far.I can never let my family hear this but I'm kinda rooting for Team Lucifer lol only guy I like from Team Alex is Gabriel because he has his own agendas and then their's Team Julian, is this gonna be a 3 way? Or will Lucifer officially rise at the end of the Season 3 finale?
From what I understand, Lucifer is meant to be the big bad for season 3, though when exactly he'll fully resurrect is unknown. It might be before the end of the season, though, because Vaun did talk about what he would look like. And it's looking more and more likely that Julian could end up joining team Lucifer. They not only share the desire for revenge on the archangel twins, but Julian also wants equality and egalitarianism for humans and angels living together, which, if I've read these interviews with Vaun correctly, is something Lucifer wants too.
Of course who's to say Lucifer won't just use Julian and all the angels to make himself like the new God or something. That begs to question, I don't think Uriel is dead, no body no death. I hope we see Raphael next season, she might have some insight on how to stop Lucifer.....in that case just skip over her lol.What is God doing anyway? lol On Vacation? So you think we're seeing a David Wheele Dyad?
I just saw the promo for 12x03. I don't know the name of the actress that plays Alex's girlfriend, but is she pregnant in real life? I think she looks different
lol I don't think Camilla Luddington is pregnant but Jo might very well be
I was never quite sure who was the chief of general surgery was before, I guess it was Bailey in the Chief Hunt era.I'm glad Mer has got a career, but i'd like to see her children at some time.The death of a child can break up marriage, I think this will trundle on til episode 250.
I was confused about the difference between 'chief of general surgery' and 'chief of surgery.' May be wrong, but thought the other departments went by 'head of neuro'... 'head of plastics' etc. Glad Meredith has moved up. What about Alex?
Wow Lilly didn't have any lines again this week tho 👎
"Jake really does love Olivia, no matter how their relationship started. He understands her in a way that Fitz doesn't, at least not yet and not that we've seen. " Really? Il n' y a pas pire aveugle que celui qui ne veut pas voir. If you don't want to see something, you don't see it. Team Fitz as always... Team Olivia and Team love...
Miranda can confess Jake love all day. The bottom line is Olivia doesn't love Jake. End of story.
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