I loved this episode. I really liked we got to see Bishop deal with her problems in a mature way.
The thing with the dry clothes is the only part of this episode where Moffat failed. Right after I realized that the Doctor was looping and the rooms reset themselves after a while, I wondered: Then how comes the clothes STAY in the room for so long? They should actually disappear before the next Doctor arrives. One could argue that they stay permanently because the Doctor brought them WITH HIM when he first arrived, so they are an outside element. But that would mean that the ashes of the dead Doctors would also stay permanently, which is clearly not the case, because they would have filled the entire transporter room over time.
Not a fail. The clothes are a manifestation of the bootstrap paradox, which was set up back in Before the Flood.
The room are self cleaning, I take it that means everything on the floor. But the clothes are not on the floor.My personal thought about those clothes is funnier : it is the reason why they could not show us the first loop...the Doctor was running around naked !!!
I try not to look too deep into this kinda paradox... or the entire show makes little sense. Why does his blood vanish from the floor, but his ashes do not? Why does the "diamond" wall not loop back to its original state? In fact, why does his entire body, bones and all, turn to ash (or sand) except the skull? Lilly... he's run around naked before.... see "Time of The Doctor", also to your first point; his boots are on the floor.As for the bootstrap paradox.... I think of it this way: Each time we pass through a point in time, actions can change that point in time. We never know what those changes are, since the previous results and consequences cease to exist. We no longer see them or are aware of them. Maybe the first time he left his clothes there, he was naked after. We don't know who wrote "I am in 12" and then buried it, he didn't did he? Where'd the shovel come from that first time in the hall, with dirt on it, from a reset room? If so and this was a trap, why was it set with that there? We have to assume previous versions of himself left clues in other ways. We saw one point in time caused by previous actions. Maybe other times were different. We'd never know. At some future point he begins to see the hole being made in the wall, that makes it easier to know what to do. Maybe some times he brings the shovel with him. Maybe some times he doesn't even hit that wall. The only thing he must actually do every time to make the story work is bring himself back from the teleporter logs to start another cycle. Great story!
Hi Bushi101No I have not thrown in the towel on this series. I injured my hand in a freak fall playing basketball. I was unable to type or perform surgical procedures. The splint has been removed and I have full motion in my fingers again. Therefore, I will resume commenting on this series. I have watched the entire second season twice. I find it less intellectually provoking than the first season. However, it certainly has a more sexy ring to each episode. My overall take-away from this season, is that Grace still has not come clean with Neil about her motivations or desires. Neil has become an open book, completely willing to be frank and honest with Grace. The reciprocal is far from being true, and therein lies the basis for a third season. Grace is hiding something, and I can not figure out what it is. I believe that she has not fully resolved what her true feelings are for Simon. The events of the last two episodes of this season sort of point me to that belief. I will be interested in developing that premise to a larger extent later. I have been following your comments and will respond from now on.
Interesting. As illogical as that would be. Grace's feelings for Simon. You might be on to some of the writers warped sense of direction.
When The Doctor said the hybrid is me did he mean himself or did he mean Me, as Ashildr calls herself and who was in the previews for next week?
Good question! That actually didn't occur to me at the time. Since the Doctor never addressed Ashildr as "Me," I'm going say that he was referring to himself in this instance.
Ashildr as "Me" didn't occurred to to me either, but, it makes much more sense as a "hybrid" who conquers Galifry and stands in it's ruins. Even if The Doctor never called her Ashildr, knowing to everyone else that is what she called herself, to identify her to others he'd logically use the name she called herself to others, plus, he indicated she is a hybrid before, when he created her. Wyattmonk, great insight!
The Doctor never knew he was going to become a hybrid, though. And now he is. I would assume only this particiular incarnation of The Doctor will be said hybrid and only he can conquer Gallifrey. If Clara hadn't become reckless and hadn't died, and he hadn't been sentenced to the tower and put himself back together half computer generated and half Who, then this wouldn't have come to pass. Right?
I'd have to disagree, I'm not sure reconstituting himself from the teleporter log makes The Doctor a hybrid, any more than anyone who has ever used a teleporter in any sci-fi fiction then is a hybrid of themselves forever after. So in fact, it's still unanswered if indeed The Doctor is the "me" who conquers Galifry and stands in it's ruins, since it's never been said before he's a hybrid. There are, however, clearly others who have been hybrids. Donna (Doctor/Donna) and River (genetically modified Time Lord genes) are the first two that come to mind, but, I think it's very telling that the Doctor himself declared Ashildr was "now a hybrid" after he gave her immortality. Time will tell... but I'm still betting "Me" is Ashildr... makes sense since there's been a build up for several episodes now that The Doctor made a mistake in bringing her back to life and he's now paying for that mistake as kinda cosmic justice for messing with things he knows he shouldn't change; and it seems there's been a build-up for Ashildr to become an enemy of The Doctor's for some time now.
On the plus side, we'll know the answer to the question on Saturday! :-D
LOL... on the plus side Capaldi finally had a good episode or two and I'll keep watching. Most of his have been pretty bad (IMHO). I agree with Namnoot. I hope they don't go backwards and spend one episode undoing what they've created in the last two. Let's not lose Galifry again and get Clara back like nothing happened. Let's not resolve a big season long build up with one episode where everything's just reset to how it was.
Im convinced Anika has lost her mind...and I love it lol. I did like the chemistry between Skye and Jamal BUT I couldn't help but give that kiss the side-eye. If you're gonna make the boy bisexual, then it would've been nice to do that from the get go but I don't really care for yet another tired "sexuality issues" story line...
Sadness about Bo, his is truly greatest character on dool. I, just had a thought love to share. Can Bo, be recast I, thought Robert Kelker Kelly, as Bo. & bk w Hope,
As annoying as they can be, and despite the fact that they've both have acted stupidly at times, I actually feel for Amelia *and* Jo. I think it's Meredith that's being completely unreasonable. 99 % of the time I have a tendency to automatically side with Meredith, because she's one of my favourite characters, but she's gone too far for me now. I hate her arrogant and hostile attitude. Since Derek's death, she's had no understanding and consideration for Amelia. I get Derek is Meredith's husband, and the father of her children, but Amelia is his sister - she is *just* as much his family as Meredith! She has just as much of a "right" to grieve her loss as Meredith. I think it was incredibly selfish of Meredith to sign the papers and turn off Derek's life support without contacting the rest of his family - his mother and sisters - and giving them a chance to say their goodbyes. That was HUGE. Being able to physically see the person and having the chance to process what has happened and say goodbye is incredibly helpful in the grieving process, when it is possible. It *was* possible here, and Meredith robbed the rest of his family, including Amelia, of that opportunity for no reason. Then at the dinner party and during the whole Penny thing, Meredith acts as though she is the only one with the right to be upset, and that Amelia's grief is not comparable to her own. Ridiculous. How she exploded at Amelia in the bedroom was awful. Meredith is all about loyalty to her "sisters" - her best friend and half sister - but has no respect or consideration for the bond between Derek and HIS real sisters - especially Amelia, who he was particularly close with. Amelia may have been out of line with her comments to Meredith in the last episode, but it was Meredith who was cruel with her comments first, and after how Mer's been treating Amelia, I don't blame her for finally hitting a breaking point. As for annoying Jo, Meredith's been totally unreasonable with her too. She has NO respect for Jo and Alex's relationship. Just because Derek was understanding of her and Cristina, doesn't mean Jo has to feel the same when it comes to Mer and Alex, and it's ridiculous to expect as much - it's just not normal behaviour. Meredith should've been put first directly after Derek died, but it's been more than a year, and at this point she's just being selfish. Alex should know better, but Meredith shouldn't even be so selfish to even put him in that position.
Dean doesn't tell Sam about Amara because Dean himself doesn't know whats going on between him and her. All he knows is she is affecting him. There is no info on her anywhere so what good would it do for Dean to say to Sam-She afftects me but I don't know how, why, or what. Make Sam worry again. The last time Sam was worried about Dean he screwed up and didn't listen to Dean about the MOC and let her loose.And people died. I don't think Dean would worry Sam for that reason. He will tell Sam when he knows himself what is going on.
Can't argue with any of the points in the panel's discussion (Though I'm surprised the proofreader didn't catch the mis-spelling of "scene" as "seen" in Rachel's comment during the discussion on Asher joining the murder club). BTW, Rachel's point about not knowing how Frank disposed of Rebecca's body raises a nagging thought with me: the show's creator mentioned in a couple of interviews after the end of Season 1, that we'd see more of Katie Findlay. And, like everyone else, I assumed he was talking about flashbacks. But, since we've never been shown Frank disposing of Rebecca--but have seen "Sam's suitcase" again (filled with money) it raises the possibility that (somehow????) Rebecca is still alive. Which is Good News/Bad News. I like Katie Findley and would love to see more of her on the show; but, it would really stretch my suspension of disbelief to have Rebecca survive the plastic bag suffocation by Bonnie. So far, HTGAWM has been expertly constructed, without having to use gimmicks, so I'd hate for them to use one. Even if it's to "save" one of my favorite characters. We'll see!
Too much Lady Heather. She turned the finale into a bad soapy triangle that CSI never was. Oh yes. She did live up to her reputation as one calculating shrew, the only one she could fool was Grissom. Grissom tried to rehab her image and conduct by going on and on about her not having sexual relationships with either her paid clients at Dominion or her patients. What the hell? Who cares if she did or not? Still not seeing enough the regular cast members. Still have to put up with Catherine's frozen face and bad lip job. That woman just never learned how to wear her blouses properly. Then we got more Lady Heather. Fortunately we got to have the great bees scene of Grissom and Sara. These two were truly meant for each other. Their haters may think otherwise. But it's hard to ignore the magic moments they put forward. Oh, yeah, more Lady Heather. How galling it must have been to her sitting there listening Grissom's little speech about the woman he truly loved. I thought she would jump up and try to strangle him with her bare hands! She didn't. So, there went the triangle that never was. But Grissom finally reunited with the only woman he ever loved. I found the finale wanting. By making it a Lady Heather episode was a unforgivable mistake!
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