Well, I started in season 3 and just prior to today's episode, I watched the first two season on Netflix. I thought they were the best by far! He has to have an edge and I believe it was when he was fighting Deathstroke and he told Oliver he knew what he was fighting for and Oliver did not. It was as if he was drug back into being on the team and he has no purpose, no reason other than to fight for his city. So the death at the end of the show, which as much as I hate to see any of the main characters get axed, was brilliant cause now we are all going to be wondering who it is going to be and when. Of course they will save it for the end of the season I suspect. But Oliver has got to get his edge back because if this first episode is what we are in for this season, then we might as well watch Days of Our Lives. The Flash definitely has the edge so far to start the season. And of course Ray will be back around as will Sara for Legends of Tomorrow. Speedy/Red Arrow just wasn't too believable. She was better off as spoiled Thea whining all the time in my opinion. And I agree with what someone else wrote that Barry was there at the grave for support so I highly doubt it was Felicity. Besides, she brings something the show needs and I think it would be devastating to the show to drop her or Laurel.
Brian,This episode was good and solid, considering Arrow's track record in previous season premieres. Felicity can and must go. Olicity never worked in the long term in the beginning and it won't work long term now. Felicity's character is not central to the show, but Laurel's and Thea's are. And while we are on the subject, if they continue to make Diggle a whiny woman type, then he can go as well and he won't be missed. Considering what we saw of Diggle last night makes me miss the times when Sara would put down his army training and punk him out. Sara owned Diggle and Diggle was actually afraid of Sara. Arrow won't have a lighter tone this season or the next, and in total, I like what the writers have done thus far with introducing Damien Darkh and H.I.V.E. early. Arrow S4 can be great if the following are done: 1. Kill Olicity one and for all 2. Develop Damien Darkh and H.I.V.E. 3. Continue the dark tone of the show 4. Give a good dose of Malcolm Merlyn and the League of Assassins the way they were meant to be. The League and H.I.V.E. are natural enemies and Team Arrow is currently outmanned, outgunned, and outclassed and no match for Damien Darkh's mysticism or his GHOST warriors. So at some point Oliver will need Malcolm's help (AGAIN) if he is to defeat the dark (pun intended) forces of Damien Darkh and H.I.V.E.
How did Damien Darkh get off the train that they blew up? He seemed to disappear once Diggle hit him with the tranq dart.
He has mystical powers. So...we don't know quite what he's capable of doing as of yet. Apparently, a bit of everything.
I wonder if Constantine will have anything interesting to say about Damien Darhk.
More importantly how did Diggle get on the truck and the fast moving train? Or is his helmet really Magneto's and he can fly with it. Found the logic of him getting on things really bizarre, considering they didn't go over an overpass and he was driving the car.
Sorry, sorry show. Almost unwatchable. Should never have made Kate a Captain, and evidentially never a bride. She is certainly neither a leader not a wife, very unlikable. And Castle is a spineless blob, chasing her. The show really needs Gates back; she fit the part. The new season is tired, aggravating, boring, and pretty much worthless. My elementary school grandchildren write better stories.
What was the fuzzy thing Catherine was eating at dinner?
Amazing show tonight. Any time kids are involved, I cry. I'm so glad to see other storylines develope. I hope that next week Mouse will be ok!
Here's an out-there theory regarding the grave at the end of the episode: it's Quentin Lance. There is something incredibly hinky about his whole association with Damian Darkh, it just doesn't make sense so far (especially in light of the fact that Quentin knows the true identities of some, if not all, of Team Arrow). One could read Quentin's hostility to Ollie at the train station as a sort of ominous warning. I can see Quentin sacrificing his life in the end - maybe in despair. But Quentin's death under such circumstances would definitely affect Oliver personally. It's also worth noting that the fact that there was a gravestone already in place means that the funeral for the mystery decedent took place probably some days earlier. (Either that, or it was a screw-up.)
I too think that the death being referred to at the end was of lance.
Or it could also be diggle's death.
i think Its Diggle. Oliver is going to spend most of the season trying to get back what he had with Diggle. Diggle dying might mean that Oliver never actually gets there and gives him impetus to kill Damien.. perhaps to let more of that darkness he carries out and perhaps revert slightly to what he was in season 1
Not sure... There have been talks about Diggle becoming Green Latern so......
If it was Diggle's death , i think Layla will also be standing with Oliver next to the grave
Lance was my first thought too, Kathleen. Mostly because I feel like they can't really continue the let's-kill-someone-Oliver-really-loves seasonal occurrences.
its not a guy, barry said. im sorry i wasnt here at HER funeral.
I just relistened, he did NOT say 'her' he said 'the'. "I'm sorry I missed THE funeral", so it could be lance especially with his many close calls with death and association with damien. But it could also be felicity since laurel is Oliver 's wife in the comics but then I doubt Barry would ever miss felicity's funeral even if he was fighting zoom. This was a great episode and with olicity finally together, we won't have to suffer through the meanderings and can focus solely on the action! Everything about the episode was great from the major things such as the fight scenes and damien being an awesome villain to the small finer details of felicity's red dress bubble but, laurel's blonde canary hair & waller y ella cdsls
I don't think its Lance. I have a big feeling its Thea, throughout the episode the questioning of Oliver about Thea's condition made me anxious of what was really going on with her. If detective Lance died Barry wouldn't apologize to Oliver, and who would be standing there instead of Oliver would be Lauren. In the meantime there's no one close to Oliver and mean a lot to him more than Thea and Felicity. If Diggle was dead , Layla should be there instead. It's either Thea or Felicity , but i strongly think its Thea.
I'm leaning against Thea for a few reasons, including but not limited to: 1) They already killed Thea last season, so it could come across a bit "been there, done that, got the T-shirt". 2) Oliver would probably go completely off the deep end if he lost his last remaining family member. 3) It's potentially much more interesting to see her (and Oliver) struggle with the changes wrought in her by the Lazarus Pit. If she's dead, that ends that. In response to your statement that Barry wouldn't apologize to Oliver for missing the hypothetical funeral of Quentin Lance: Barry did know Quentin personally (having met him on at least two prior occasions I can think of), Quentin helped Team Flash discover the dead body of the real Harrison Wells, and Quentin is the father of Laurel. All of these are good reasons for Barry to want to show up at his funeral.
Maybe it's a new character we'll get introduced to in the upcoming episodes...
Best part of the episode was the girls ribbing the boys (especially Le Salle) about not inviting them out.
I have to agree many of you here, what a mess of an episode! What's Gibbs' problem with Tony? Why is McGee always whinging? And what's with all the relationship angst for everyone? Come on writers, you can do better!
I like when Cookie and Boo Boo Kitty are both on the screen so I really hope Anika isn't playing Cookie. They could be like The Other Woman and band together to take down Lucious. He really needs to be taken down because he thinks he's untouchable and Cookie is the only one who can show him he's not plus Anika would be useful. I'm also hurt by Jamal and Hakeem not being as close as they used to be. I don't actually feel bad for Jamal because he knew Cookie was the only one who loved him and cared about him and that Lucious doesn't give a damn about him. Lucious might be the scum of this earth, but he's smart and he knows if Jamal leaves him and joins Lyon Dynasty he would lose. Actually anything Cookie does is epic God I hope she takes Lucious down. Your review was spot on as always Whitney.
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I, too, hope Boo Boo Kitty isn't playing Cookie.................
Cookie is THE QUEEN especially of quotes. almost every episode she manages to drop a one liner that has you laughing so hard you are ready to soil your pants. "i'm not talking to you Guadeloupe, you need to find your draws"
Co-sign! Also how much did Jamal blossom under his mother tough but unconditional love? and now we are seeing the same thing with Hakeem. She's helping him find his own artistic voice and whether she's slapping him in the face or beaming at him as he's kicking ass, he's loving Cookie! Since he already knows what Lucious' love is like he's not likely to abandon Cookie for a second go-round at that crap fest, unlike Andre and Jamal who were denied it.I love this show way too much. Cookie Lyon is my spirit animal. Way more than any of the animals whose prints occupy her closet.Damn you Anika. I like you now.
the endign was sick!! love the new costume
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