Things really started to get crazy a few episodes ago. I can't wait to see how it all ends. Poor Terry. All he wanted to do was go to Ireland, perhaps he could have hooked up with the Belfast chapter of the Sons of Anarchy.
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Also, Jaime's reasons for marrying Claire extend far beyond her personal safety. Not only would Claire be tortured, but the assumption was she would eventually divulge the MacKenzie secrets. Claire knows Jaime is a wanted man and that Dougal is raising money for a Jacobite army. Had Jaime not married Claire, he would have had to run and Clan MacKenzie risked a British attack.
I was sure that Claire was going to confess to lying about enjoying her first time with Jaime, because what woman would have? I appreciated the realism of Jaime's first outing, but please don't try to convince us that their magical, mystical, special connection made up for her being used like a toilet (chamber pot?) and that she liked it.
I kinda enjoyed this episode. No scratch that, i do love this episode. Saibra and Psi is interesting, could they be the new Poster-something-something gang replacement? I do hope so. And as i remembered someone said, s8 is heading towards Classic Who, so be ready for more adventure like this. Love it :)
Yes, a powerful woman is seen as masculine and men always try to put her down by telling her to go back in the kitchen. Dont you remember when Gisele commented something about football and people were asking Tom to control his woman? This is so common.
I do remember Tom being told to control his woman. And agree 100% that women in power are often put down and accused of being masculine. Where it bothered me was that she worried about with her husband who has never given an indication that's the way he sees or treats her. I could see the Chief of Staff accusing her of being masculine and asking her husband if that's how he feels since their sex life has decreased. But it just played as weird conversation between Elizabeth and her husband.
As much as I love this show, I always hate prison arcs. I was actually dissapointed and enough with the firm-politics. That's getting old. For me it left me wondering if I'm gonna continue to watch the show.
You just know Canning and David Lee are going to try to keep Diane from joining Florrick/Argos...................
I love this series. Ray Donovan is the perfect fixer. He'll do anything and everything to protect his clients and his family. I was bothered by the video, because it looks like it only caught Bridget walking away. I hope that Cookie doesn't get it. Ray's son is either pathologically naïve, or stupid. Abby is just Abby. If there was a non-criminal way for her to die of acute lead poisoning it would be a welcome event. Ezra reminds me of the old men who used to live in my neighborhood in New York. They could quote ancient Jewish Law (?), to justify almost anything. Heck, Ezra even had Ray shake down, for the better good, the character played by Ann Margaret. Remember, Ezra's ex-mistress is now his spouse (?). I loved Cochran giving the office eulogy for his poor cuckold subordinate , while it his wife who is lamenting openly the death and not the poor guys widow. Avi will not hurt Kate, because he knows Ray cares about her. Cochran may have to do the deed himself, or he may hold Ray's (Terry) brother from the botched robbery as an inducement for Ray to silence her. Anything goes in this series. I love it.
I cannot believe CBS preempted the season premiere for stupid football!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd thought this was going to turn out to be Cary only dreaming --- but I guess it isn't............
CBS did not intentionally preempt the premiere, the game ran into overtime. Google "Heidi Bowl" to find out what happens when you pull the plug on a game early.
I think CBS should move The Good Wife to another night or put a throw away after the game so if it runs over they can preempt it and start The Good Wife on time. This is the third season fans have to deal with unknown start times. I guess I will do like another viewer and set up DVR for extended recording time. No hope for their new show Madame Secretary, although it looks good, with the unknown starting time.
Yes, they did intentionally do it. They've known for years that stupid football ALWAYS goes over the allotted time...............They should have more respect for one of their top shows and it being the season premiere..............but I guess supporting an organization that supports a wife beater is more important...............
It is a top show in total viewership, but not on the most important (for advertising) 18-49 demographics.
Chris..........how could you leave out Narcisse and those guys that talked to him came back and shot up his place????????????????
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Whoops I thought I had discussed it. I just went in and added some comments to my review, thanks. It wasn't Charlie and Benny who came back and shot up the brothel, but surely the two who did, did so on orders from Charlie. Narcisse is of course going to assume it was ordered by Maranzano. That remains to be seen though. It could have been a strategic move by Charlie and Meyer. Their actions will surely kick off a inter-city war between the two groups.
I have four questions to ask all of you. Golfindocp and I answered the first one "What would you have done if you were Neil and walked in on Grace and Simon?" The second question is "Would you be able to forgive your spouse/partner if you learned they were having an affair, and if so, why would you forgive them. The third question is for the women "What would you do if you walked in on your spouse/partner having an affair?" In the next season, if there is one, how is Grace going to react when she learns about Neil's extra-curricular conduct?
1. I would have been in shock. I would have walked out and given myself time to process what I had just seem.2. I would forgive her but I wouldn't stay with her. I see no benefit in punishing her and forgiving her would be as much a benefit to me as it would be for her, maybe more. I wouldn't want to carry the pain and disappointment around and forgiving her would help let it go. 3.4.If she thinks it is over, she will probably not confront him as he didn't confront her. It would drive her into Simon's arms.
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Nice summary, I wonder if Carissa wants to chime in on 2 and 3. I believe she indicated that she would have confronted the couple. Personally, Grace may take the knowledge that Neil escorted as occasion to validate or justify her affair. It may cause Grace to get closer to Simon because Neil, to a degree, did the same thing. However, Simon is not married so Grace may give him a pass. There is the trust issue, however. Simon did not disclose to Grace his knowledge of Neil's escorting. This is in a sense a lie by omission. Grace has submerged her feelings for Simon, they will rise to the surface again. The question is how will Grace react when they do? A second betrayal, even for someone so deeply in love as Neil, may be very hard to swallow. It may cause Neil to become the one who decides to give the relationship a respite or even call it quits. Grace and Simon may find it difficult to establish a secret relationship, there is always Adriana lurking in the shadows waiting for the opportunity to grab Neil. Adriana and her husband, may actually aid Simon in his pursuit of Grace. They will do it because of his familial connections, and for the possibility that they could derive some benefit from the arrangement. Adriana, of course, has a different reason to see the Grace - Neil marriage crumble. Adriana could aid in convincing Grace that the excitement and romance offered by a relationship with Simon are a once in a lifetime opportunity. After the relationship is consummated, she then exposes it to Neil, and derives her own benefits from the destroyed marriage. Devious, but possible. Adriana is devious enough to offer her own residence as a possible location for the secret trysts. That would be the perfect plan, having Simon and Grace erstwhile honeymooning in one part of her villa, while inviting Neil over for a lets be friends luncheon. Neil comes over, because he is basically a nice soul, who really does not want to hurt or offend Adriana. At some point during the casual lunch, the two love birds come out of the bedroom in intimate attire and enter the kitchen for refreshments. Game, set, match. Vivid imagination at work. That would be such a great scene, because it would expose the entire circle of relationships. This time Grace's adultery would be in public display. Even Grace might feel shame. Just a small addition, all the characters have good reason to go Adriana's home. Grace is decorating it (phase 2). Simon is selling the painting (and maybe doing something with Adriana's husband?). Neil coming over to make peace. It would not be far fetched for Adriana to convince Grace that having trysts at her villa would be safe from exposure. Simon does not know that Neil visits there frequently, for all he knows the Adriana - Neil business meetings occurred elsewhere. I cannot fathom the horror Neil would feel if he walked in on Grace and Simon again. Actually, Grace with her new design business gaining more exposure, might actually need to make some out of town trips for the acquisition of materials. What a perfect opportunity to have a visitation from Simon. Or if you have a devious imagination like myself, another opportunity for the gallant Neil wanting to surprise his spouse travels to surprise her at the hotel. He convinces the concierge to give him a key in order to surprise his wife with flowers and champagne. He then receives the ultimate surprise, again.
I hate to admit it but your analysis of the situation will likely be correct. Although, I think Sean Jablonski's intent in the long run will be to have Neil and Grace find each other and move forward with a stronger commitment to each other, the writers are going to send us down the path of betrayal and despair. The secrets will have to come out. Somehow Grace will have to end up,at least temporarily, in some type of relationship with Simon, that will tear Neil and Grace apart. If I hated Simon before for being the selfish amoral person he is, I hate him even more now that I know he's an amoral dilettante. But even if a second season puts me through the wringer, I'll have to watch. I'm a romantic at heart and I'll keep on hoping that Neil and Grace will realize that they love each other and will work it out. Their story hits too close to me and I'm pretty sure that the writers were hoping to get just such a visceral reaction from the public. I've acknowledged that Grace reminds me of my wife in that she put her life on hold to support me and our kids (minus the affairs) but I also have to admit that I'm like Neil (although not as successful). I have a good life, a great career, a great family, but like Neil, I've asked myself, Is there something more. I can relate to his reaction to his job. I've come to hate my career although it allows me to live a pretty good life. The question for me is what am I willing to risk while I search for the meaning of life. I'm not a big tv watcher but this show really got under my collar. It just makes me think too much. Here's my answer to question #2. I know that I would forgive my wife if she had an affair. I've pondered that question since I started watching the show. The reason I would forgive her is 1) like Neil, I haven't always been attentive and I'd accept some blame for the mess; and 2) more importantly, I love my wife so much that I couldn't imagine a future without her. People used to ask me what I wanted out of life when I was younger. I told them that the only thing I really wanted out of life was a wive that I love who loved me, and children. The decision to forgive and stay may make me look like a fool but I think I would have done what I needed to do to win back my wife (minus acting as an escort LOL). What would you do?
Like Neil, I had a job I hated and a terrible boss.I stayed there for a year because of the money and then left. I am never doing that again. Life is too short to being doing something you don't love. Especially if you are working 60 hrs a week.
I am pretty much in the same boat. If I found out my wife had an affair, I would pretty much join the living dead. I can't imagine existence without her. I have loved her for just over half my life. I would forgive her, but probably never fully recover from the hurt and humiliation. The interesting thing is, that I do not believe that there is anything in her power, which could fully repair our relationship. The marriage would go on but it never would be the same. Some level of distrust and pain would linger. I don't know if I would retaliate in some fashion. Having an affair as pay back doesn't sound appealing, and it's not fair to the other woman. I probably would just not be the same man anymore.
I thought the majority of you guys posited that another hookup between Grace and Simon would signal the end of Neil and Grace's marriage. Unless Jablonski is trying to present an open or swinger style marriage, the marriage SHOULD be over. BTY, what in the world does post-modern mean? It seems like words don't have much meaning anymore, like MLB baseball, or AM modulation.
Even with an open marriage concept going back to Simon in the real world would be a deal breaker now that the truth is out. I've been thinking about how Grace would handle Neil's cheating. She's turned on by extra marital sex. She's turned on by getting and giving lap dances. She's turned on by her husband being jealous. It can go both ways. She could be turned on by Neil being a stud, or turned off because the attention isn't towards her? Sean has a tendency for the bazaar. So expect anything.
1. I would have walked right in and said WTF.2. Depends on why, was I the cause. How long has it been going on. But like golfing doc it would never be the same.3. The writers are going to have Grace and Simon somehow hook up again. Although in real life, that would be the ultimate in your face to Neil. No man with any self respect would take that.
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