~ Chuck & Blair ~ 2.0

Sorry, just popping in to comment on the Blair losing herself after being traded for a hotel commment. I know that there's a lot of anger about it, as it sounds like she's blaming Chuck yet again - but I read it more as a comment on herself, especially since it's followed by 'selling out for a tiara' (something she and no one else did). So many people were so shocked and furious with Chuck's actions post-3x17 that not many focused on the fact that Blair was willing to do it. Blair was willing to trade herself for a hotel, which IMO is a sacrifice too far. She was disgusted with Chuck in 3x18, but she was also disgusted with herself. She says to Chuck that she hadn't thought, before that, that it was possible to love someone too much. I'd say that one of Blair's defining characteritsics has always how much she loves the people she loves, which then turned around and bit her in the ass 3x17, and ended up making her go too far. I think the point she's trying to make is that SHE - not Chuck - started devaluing herself from that point, in between considering letting herself be traded for a hotel, and trading her happiness for a tiara. She was talking about herself in that conversation, not Chuck. I think the implication is more that she started losing herself after everything that made her Blair Waldorf - fierce loyalty, love, the need to help the people she loves - was used completely against her in the IP. It's not about whether or not she forgives Chuck for it (though honestly, I think it's clear that she has) - the fact is, that is what started making her lose her way. It's what terrified and ashamed her enough to start wanting a 'pure and simple' love, regardless of how boring she'd find it. I think that even if Chuck HADN'T orchestrated the whole thing, her being fully prepared to go through with it is what would have ended up affecting her the most. Could you seriously imagine her staying with Chuck, even if he didn't knowm and acting like everything was fine after she did something that destroyed her own self-worth that much? The Jack and Blair scenes that episode are so heartbreaking because it's hard to know if she's more disgusted with herself or the man she's about to sleep with. The fact that Chuck did know, betrayed her and used her love for him against her, was just what made her stop trusting him. But in this episode (5x21), she's talking about herself, not Chuck's actions.

It's poorly written, of course, because the whole 'traded for a hotel' seems to have become some kind of Gossip Girl catch-phrase now (even though, as someone pointed out, technically it never actually happened) - but I honestly didn't read any anger at Chuck into the way Leighton Meester delivered it. It seemed aimed all at herself (or rather, Blair).

Sorry for the essay - 5x21 annoyed me for plenty of reasons, but that wasn't one of them! 

 
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~ Chuck & Blair ~ 2.0

Hi, I'm just popping in as a fellow Chair shipper (who loves this thread, BTW) because I recently noticed something very depressing on Fanfic. Not only do the number of Dair fics rival the number of Chair fics (which I'm sure you've seen), but, even worse, the Dair fics are the ones with all the reviews. Seriously, compare any Dair fic to any Chair fic and the former reach into the 100s. So...is there any chance that you could take the time to review some of the Chair fics that you've enjoyed? 'Stay or Leave' is an awesome story and rightly deserves the number of reviews it has - if not more - but there are some other pretty good ones out at the moment that are slipping through the cracks :( I just think that Chair writers need as much motivation as possible at the moment? Sorry for butting in! 

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~ Chuck & Blair ~ 2.0

Sorry, I am totally lurking on this thread...I just saw the mentions of Jacob on TWOP and I wanted to say, he's not a 'shipper' of any kind, he just likes the most interesting story. For him that was Chair season 1-4 (and even now, really: any time he mentions Chair he still takes the time to describe them beautifully - just read his recap of that brief scene where Blair tells Chuck she's pregnant, or even their phone call 5x11). But I think that he, like everyone else, feels the Chair issues lately have been ridiculous and repetitive so isn't as much a fan of the story at the moment. He also made a point in his last recap, which is that he feels like the story the writers have been telling for the whole of this season is the build-up to Dair. Which, while unbelievably depressing as a Chair fan, is the only way to make sense of Blair's random changes - if you go at it from the angle that the writers have been using Chuck and Louis as a distraction for how Blair really feels about Dan. Don't get me wrong, I wish that wasn't the case, but I think it's a fair point in understanding the writers' thinking. Also, while Jacob has commented that he's enjoyed some of the Dair scenes, he is equally critical of Dan. He points out in his recaps that Dan's agreeing to go along with the whole 'pact with God' was a pretty sleazy move on his part, as was the video thing, hiding Blair after her wedding, and getting all involved in the paternity of Blair's baby.  Sorry, I will butt out now! Just that I'm a huge fan of Jacob, and I know he gets alot of hatemail from both Dair and Chair shippers who call him biased, when really all he cares about is the storyline. I don't want people to get the wrong ideas about his recaps! 

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~ Chuck & Blair ~ 2.0

Have I to remind you last season when Dan was Blair partner in crime? He founds that side of her a little bit funny and he loves her even with that part.   She's just scared.  It is normal after someone abuses you. Also isn't it bad Blair is weak around Chuck? Didn´t you think that maybe she fell in love with Dan (because I don't know if you watched lats episode but that is what she said, even to Chuck) because Dan makes her comfortable in her own skin?  He loves her 'even' with that part? How nice of him. What a star. Did he really love it when he told her at the start of season 5 that he thought she was past all the scheming? I'm sorry, but Dan DOES love the damsel in distress. Like Serena said, he loved the chance to be Blair's 'only hero'. The fact is, whether or not he realises it, I don't think Dan can deal with having a woman who's stronger than him. All that resentment for Serena when they were going out - any time he realised she had more influence than him, or could take care of both of them: just look at that lift scene in 2x03! 

But ok, that makes Dan very supportive. He likes 'looking after' girls when they're weak. He has been the shoulder for Blair to cry on this season. And good God has she done alot of crying. Or whining. He indulged her whole crazy deal with God and let the insanity just keep on coming. When, actually, if he'd just pointed out how ridiculous she was being - like Chuck did, in 5x13 - then it might atcually have got through. Yes, she needed time to grieve. But you can help a person to grieve without letting them ruin their life even further. He should not have ENCOURAGED the idea that Blair personally was to blame for whatever happened to Chuck. He should not have let her think it was a good idea to marry someone she didn't love. 

And i'm sorry. Blair was 'abused'? Um...when? So Blair is a victimised shell from that one time that window smashed near her face and she needs....hugs from Humphrey to get her through it? If Chuck standing up to Blair and challenging her, rather than letting her wallow in poor decisions with the occasional hug to pull her through is 'abusive', then frankly I wouldn't want to be in your version of a healthy relationship. Yes, there's the shit of the Indecent Proposal. But that was an awful betrayal from the person she loved, not a history of abuse from him. 

Blair is scared when she's with Chuck. Because love is a scary thing. You seriously think loving someone that much - being prepared to do anything for them - is a sign of weakness?  Are we quoting Bart Bass now? Putting someone else's needs before your own makes you WEAK? I'm not saying it's healthy or even necessarily a good thing, but how could you possibly think it's an easy thing to do? Give Blair some credit, for God's sake. 

But you're right: Dan does give her an easy life. He doesn't stand up to her unless he feels she's doing something that goes against his morals. Or unless he's telling her he wants her to be in love with him. He doesn't call her out when she's not acting like herself or making stupid decisions; just when he thinks she's being 'bad'. 

And incidentally, in terms of how well Dan can look after her - if Blair had actually gone to someone like Chuck - or even Serena or Nate - she might actually have succeeded in getting out of the country. I'm just saying. Money and private jets would've saved ALOT of that airpot hassle. But it's ok: she got to lean on Dan's shoulder while she was doing it. At least he was there to hold her hand while he watched her run around like a headless chicken.

 

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Serena is the new Blair

Ok. I am usually the first person to jump on the feminist bandwagon, ad nauseum to every one else. To the extent where even if I don't agree with Serena's actions, the second any guy on the show opens his mouth criticise them, I'm on her side. But even I can see that sacrificing yourself for the person you love is not pathetic or weak. Awful, yes, and shouldn't ever have to happen – but the only person I disliked after S3 was Chuck. I didn't think less of Blair, because trying to save the people she loves is an inherent part of her character. (Well, it was). I don't even want to get started on that epic crap: the fact was, Blair did love Chuck. And I'm really sorry, can I take back what I said above - I don't believe in 'loves of your life'. I should have written 'making out with the guy her best friend loves'. On the other hand, trying to change your personality for a French prick that you don't even love, and going ahead with the marriage after NUMEROUS opportunities to get out of it, all the while insisting you love someone else and whining on another's guy's shoulder and expecting him to just 'be there' for you – and then needing him to hold your hand while you erm...buy a plane ticket? Expecting him to sort out your own mess? Needing him to 'save you from your own worst instincts'? That's pathetic. Sure, Blair has changed. Nothing has worked out the way she planned, so she can't be the same person she was in s1 – and there are good points and bad points to that. But off the topic of whether or not she's the character we all loved when the show started: the fact is, she's been pathetic the whole of this season. She was pathetic at the end of last season, when she slept with one guy and told him she'd always love him before going back to her fiance in the same night; and it's just carried on. Serena might have messed around with guys, but at least she didn't have this ridiculous idea that she HAD to be with one of them while she was doing it. In fact, she came to the conclusion that I don't think desperate Blair ever will; she chose herself. She is capable of being alone. I'm not saying this as a Dair or Chair shipper, as I used to enjoy both. I'm saying this as a person who is genuinely horrified that the writers have taken one of the best-developed characters on a TV show and made her into an oblivious wreck who needs validation from three guys to feel like she has a purpose in life. Case in point: the Dair kiss at the end of last episode. It was an adorable kiss, and they have great chemistry. But did it really need to happen after Serena had just told Blair, clearly heartbroken, with her grandma dying, that she just wanted her to be happy - IN FRONT of Serena, while she was waiting in the hostpital for her grandma? And did Blair really need to look so pleased with herself for being a 'good friend' and not leaving Serena to go off with Dan right then? Because suddenly Blair being happy with the right man (one of the many that she claims to love) is more important than her best friend? That's shitty for any person. Not just Blair.
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Serena is the new Blair

For real, though. She knows what she wants and is committed to one guy, (even if he is a complete asshole to her), she's making a path for herself and actually sticking to it, and she's looking after her family and her best friend. Plus, you know, she's actually likeable.

I'd say this makes Blair the new Serena, but frankly I think that's a bit of an insult to Serena's character. At least when she was making out with with the love of her best friend's life, she wasn't stringing along and making love declarations to anyone else, and at least when she went after a member of state she wasn't deluded enough to actually think that made her a 'powerful' woman. And at least she wasn't so whiny all the time about the fact that she had no actual ambitions and her life no direction. Plus she wore better outfits?

 

I think we should commend the show on making someone as thoroughly talented as Leighton Meester become so utterly unrelatable. Seriously, those writers are TALENTED. 

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Is the 'deal with God' thing really that ridiculous?

Don't get me wrong, I think it's pretty obvious the writers just threw it in as yet another Chair obstacle. And the whole 'Blair visiting a priest and converting to Catholicism' - sorry, but IMO it's a complete mockery of the Catholic church, and what kind of priest arranges secret meetings to discuss a random girl's love life? No. BUT...having said that, I don't think the basic idea of her deal is all that strange. When you're that desperate and come that close to losing someone you love, you'll do anything - and anything after that to avoid anything like it happening again. I know lots of people are ridiculing Blair for being so 'superstitious', but if something like that happened to me, I wouldn't be taking any risks. Yes, logically Chuck woke up because of medicine, but when someone gets that desperate, logic doesn't come into it. And let's not forget that Blair is probably feeling so guilty - she was about to abandon her fiance, and ended up instead losing her baby and nearly losing the love of her life. Is it any wonder she thinks God is punishing her? And let's look at the facts - anytime Blair tries to do something wrong, it ends up blowing up in her face; can you really blame her for thinking bad things happen because of what she does? I think this whole 'deal' thing is a sign of guilt. She feels like she needs to be punished. I'd actually be shocked if, after what happened, she HAD just jumped back into Chuck's arms and tried running away with him again. And ok, the writers are probably just using it so they can have that big bloody wedding for their 100th episode, plus alot more Chair angst (since that's what they seem to rely on Ed and Leighton for)...but as plots go, I don't think this is one of their epecially ridiculous ones. In fact, I'd say it's the only one that's made sense since the indecent Proposal break up. Just bad luck that it comes after so many contrived obstacles, so ends up looking like another one. 

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Glee season 2 finale

I haven't seen the episode, but could someone tell me what the thing was that Quinn was planning (something big, didn't she say?) in New York? Is it just getting her hair cut? 

For some reason I thought we were going to get some Quick scenes. Isn't their baby in New York?

I think the main reason this season was so boring was because it was yet another round of Rachel/Finn/Quinn, plus the joke that is Puck and Lauren Zizes. It's like Puck and Quinn never even existed. 

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This is too hilarious!... TWOP

Oh man. Ok, I'm really sorry - after this I promise I'll shut up! Yes, critics should expect response to their reviews. Angry responses, too. But not because people have misunderstood their reviews. Not because one part of one review has been taken out of context to fulfill someone's agenda, or whatever. I was just hoping that by quoting so much of his other stuff, it might lessen some Dair fans' anger or maybe correct their opinion that this guy is anti Dair. By all means, contest his idea of whether or not it's abuse. But read the rest of his stuff before you do, please! 

 

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This is too hilarious!... TWOP

Sorry, going going - I didn't mean to be a party pooper what with the excessive quotes. Just don't talk shit about TWOP. Please. (I'm secretly worried that this thread will spark more hate mail for Jacob, and he'll stop reviewing Gossip Girl altogether. He did for Doctor Who). 

I promise, no more interfering on the fun. 

 

 

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