Invested In Your Future Forum Posts
At the start of the first season she knows a bare-minimum already and has encountered them before. While first season is just as crappy as the first episodes of tvd and not everything is clear, she sort of already lost her personal life once due to all those things entering her life and her parents divorced because of her starting to have all those bad problems. The season pretty much starts with her trying to have a normal life and not wanting anything to do with supernatural, having a similar stance which Elena had.
The thing is that she might know about vampires, but the town(very like mystic falls) have other creatures too, like witches, werewolves and so on.
First season is mostly a cultural-references and subversions of popular tropes of horror movies(the first episode pretty much starts with cruel subversion of "innocent girl and possibly dangerous maniac in a dark hallway" ). Its bassically Klaus storyline for the first season.
But as the show develops (somewhere around the second season) it actually starts to build up and focus on characters and all that supernatural is more like a background that affects everyone there.
I should note though that the show is somewhat episodic for most of season one and two , but each episodic case, even if unrelated to main plot, builds up on characters. There are things that happen in season 1 or two that matter through entire show and are called back on even as late as the show finale.
While being episode, the show is notorious for foreshadowing and planning out things. Some things that happen only pay off few seasons latter, actors hired as extras to appear in various background scenes actually are gradually introduced into the plot and so on.
TVD also just loves to use scenes or pay homage to that show. Scenes like Bonnie's grandma's death, "close your eyes" or Klaus killing Elena are one on one homages to events in the BtVS
BTVS characters are also strongly based upon the TVD books, somewhat. Buffy is mostly with the personality and development Book-Elena gets. And both Buffy and Book-Elena strongly remind me of less sociopath tv-show-Katherine.
Veronica Mars in Veronica Mars was completely human and lived in completely corrupt town where pretty much everyone was against her. And she still managed to have A LOT of character(being second most developed female to ever appear on tv).
Buffy was a "bug" compared to the most of beings in that show. most of the main villains were virtually unkillable and some of them actually had no physical forms and some of them were more like a concept than a being. The show contained beings who could put her in a coma with one slap and pretty much nothing could be reached with pure power alone. She certainly kicked asses on daily basis, but that was not what made her a great character with great personality.
What "powers' they have DO NOT MATTER. Elena can be completely human and still be awesome and developed character. Heck as road trip episodes shown she has a potential to be an awesome character if she gets enough scenes where she is allowed to be a character.
And that is my point exactly. She is pretty much THE ONLY character to only have love triangle as main plot, which is ridiculous considering she is MAIN character. Yes her killing Elijah was awesome, but that and the university road trip are pretty much the ONLY cases of her being a personality of her own and a real character in this season...
The show revolves around her? Yes. But she might as well be an amulet, or statue, or cardboard box. The show and storyline would still revolve in the same way.
Buffy - S1(dealing with trying to fit into new school, trying to be normal, trying to figure her role in Sacriffice Ritual the oldest vampire is planning and so on), S2(her dealing with what happened in s1 finale, how it affects her, her relationship with her friends, normal life slipping away, her trying to figure out who she is, while dealing with bad stuff that happens in her personal life), S3(trying to reintegrate herself into her own life, dealing with a person she can relate her situation to, conflicts with the friends over various things, trying to not get kicked out of school again, studying for exams and trying to get a normal life, accepting her own darker sides), S4(dealing with a try to live alone in the university, reconnecting with friends, trying to get over lost love, making mistakes in life), S5(dealing with her darker sides, realizing the fact that she might be actually enjoying what she does, focusing on her connection with her sister, focusing on a very dear person being terminally ill, loosing everything she loves, loosing any hopes for normal life, trying to protect everyone in a loss-loss situation) S6(dealing with the issues from waht she experienced, depression, being unable to connect to other people, suicidal tendencies, realizing possible connection to the damon-character of the show, seeing her old life crumble away, getting pummeled by normal casual problems), S7(Rebuilding the connection with damon-character of the show, trying to reconnect with her sister and friends, but always ending up alone due to decisions she makes and due to her personality. Also mentoring and helping others, caring about them, being damned to always be alone)
Won't go into detail but pretty much every storyline with the girl of that age has a very rich potential for character development if used correctly.
Most of these shows revolve around a teenage girl( Buffy aged from 16 to early twenties through the show, Veronica Mars was around 20 and Elena is 17). Thats for a reason. So the show can see the person developing, getting stronger both physically and mentally, going through tragedies and etc.
I am not asking for her to start slapping vampire heads off with bare hands. I am asking for her to display personality and to have at least some interesting personal development storyline that has nothing to do with love triangle or being the object to be protected. Something that allows us to see her as a strong and awesome character, that allows her to display her personality for more than two episodes.
I certainly hope the show will get DE endgame.
We already got our book DE endgame stolen by corporate twilight fanbois. If the show screwed over DE fans I am pretty sure the show would die fast and the authors of the show know that.
Except that we do not actually see or feel the reaction that relative has.
You know, this doctor/patient allusion is funny, because most of BtVS Season 5 dealt with one of characters being severly ill and Buffy's reactions to that and how she dealt with that.
In a sense, its similar to what TVD hurried to do with Jenna, although they yet again failed to portray all what results when someone close to you dies.
So yeh. Elena is a silhoute. We had Buffy in the role of "patients relative" and "caring" and in fact those parts of the tv show were one of the most strong character defining moments for her.
yet, again, why? Because the show allowed us to see how she reacts. We saw her personality and character in those scenes, we saw her doing things.
This show, however is hellbent of making Elena NOT have any character defining scenes besides "she cares"
I am not talking about school stuff. I am talking about stuff taking place in school. TO show that there are these casual problems, that there are things that are impacted by all this weird stuff happening.
Elena's Wanna Be Normal speech would have hit A LOT harder if we saw her try to be normal, try to do those normal things a lot more. All we have seen of her this season was either her haunted by kat, her talking about all those magicky things or her hanging out with her scoobie-gang-supernatural-version. And then she goes "hey guys i like normal life". Well how about showing that normal life she likes and wants, show?
And yes patients family thing is half-fitting. Except that patients families usually are shown dealing with various things and grieving.
This is more of a case where we are shown a silhouette sitting in the background of the hallway and a doctor says something "poor thing she cares so much about them"...and then we never see her again. Thats the position this show places Elena into.
Can't not to compare.
Buffy was HEAVILY based upon the book-elena and this show just loves to do paralels and homages to BtVs.
Anyway, the problem is still the same: Elena is just "there".
AS I said, like that princess in the fairytale.
We are told she cares, she loves every living thing and she is very compassionate, but we spend entirety of the story focusing on the good-hearted Knights Salvatore coming to her rescue, We get thousands of trials for them, thousands of other characters doing things, while Elena is just "this" goal, sitting there with a bare minimum of characterization and personality being toned down.
Buffy did something else. She went to school, she sometimes failed grades due to all the bad things going on, she had to study, she would get caught trying to leave school due to bad situations. She would go shopping. She would interact with characters. She would have actual PROBLEMS, like relationship with her mother and sister, all this supernatural crap taking a toll on her normal life, being sort of lonely and alone because of all this stuff and so on. We would see her making right and wrong choices, keeping or revealing secrets, being in conflict with her friends and getting together with them again and so on. And when she started to loose people she cared about, her life she cared about and etc, we actually could relate and care because we felt what she was going through and not just because "oh poor elena, she lost all her parents, how sad". We actually saw her personality, her character and how everything that is going on affected her.
Elena has all bad things happening around yet all she gets is scenes where she cares about people or where she TRIES to start doing something or where she is with stefan. There is no actual character development, she barely shows her personality.
Have her go to school and show it. Struggling to go to school in this grief yet she has to to not be under suspicion.Have her ocassionally get in bad relations with her friends and try to fix that.
Have her and her brother actually feel like siblingsHave her have some sort of plotline she can follow through(like she had the search for her mother in s1) Have her actually DO THINGS, right or wrong that she decides for herself. Have her actually build relationships and communicate with people, friends, etc Actually SHOW how she deals with all those things, what she feels, what she goes through. Have her meet new people.
Yes we know that. WE are told that by other characters every second.
But right now I am having the same reaction Buffy had to The First's boasting talks about ...hm,...evil? That is bassically:
YES we get it, She is so awesome, caring selfless and suicidal and everything. How about the show actually shows that?
Times Elena displayed personality, was useful, awesome and mattered:Road Trip in first season with Damon. Trip to University with Damon and Alaric.
In season one she had sort-of, storyline, with her searching for her roots, her mother, etc. Not much but still something.
Nowadays every other character has thousands of things going on and Nowadays EVERY Elena scene goes like this:
*Elena stands in the room or sits in the room gloomy*
Someone: OMG this is so bad, this is very bad!Elena: I care about you all!Stefan: I love you Elena!*snuggle time**cut to other actual characters dying, doing important stuff, doing research, investigating, fighting, getting into conflicts with other characters, hiding secrets and so on*
She is the main character. Have her DO SOMETHING apart from standing there. Research? fight? lame snarky lines as reactions to others? Conflicts of opinion with existing characters? Investigating? ANYTHING, just plain showing some personality and doing something that is actually very important. Having an actual personal storyline, you know.
Currently she is that princess at the top of the tower who supposedly is friendly to all animals and converses with nature and the birds and cares and loves everything in the world, while there are serious things going on all around. And we never meet or see her, but who cares, right?
I would not care if she is center of universe as long as she is interesting.
Hell, Buffy was "chosen one" and almost every male(and female) fell in love with her and tried to sleep with her(or succeeded in doing so) .
But the important part was that Buffy felt like a human being. She was this most important thing, but she also had a strong character and personality, not unlike Book-Elena, that kept evolving and growing through seasons. She was most important, yet she managed to not matter at all at times. Her personality, lighter and darker sides, etc - all of that was explored.
Elena lacks that. She lacks personality(last time she had it was the first road trip with damon and the alaric/damon/elena university trip). She lacks SOMETHING to do(it does not matter on if its fighting, researching or sprouting snarky puns or manipulating, just SOMETHING). ALl she has is the love triangle and "caring for people". It feels as if the show was too afraid Elena might overshadow Katherine, that it made EVERY character existing overshadow Elena.
So yeah. Elena needs to get personality, plotlines and something awesome to do next season. If next season is all about Damon searching for his brother while elena sulks in the kitchen i don't know what i will do to this show...
Yes. Caroline bassically would blame elena for anything and everything(and some of those things were true, since book-Elena was a lot more like tv-show-Katherine, it would not be surprising if she has indeed caused bad stuff for Caroline). She and tyler are the main allies of Klaus and she gives up her body to be possessed by one of two japanese demons to get revenge on elena.
The show might go in different way - build up Caroline as character then have something happen that Caroline would forever blame elena for. Same setup, same position, but different and more efficient build up.
`But you see, yet again all those plotpoints might eventually happen, but they have pretty much nothing to do with Elena.
Jeremy's ghost whisperer plotline is his own. Unless the dead start to drop hints about future of Elena(especially if they plan to bring in that other thing about Elena(and I fully could see them starting to drop things about wings). but overall its still not HER plotline.
Same with Elijah and Klaus.
The problem and the point of this thread is Elena's personal plotline. She did not have such thing since first season. In first season we had her researching stefan at first, then we had her trying to find out about katherine, which led to her searching for her roots, her mother. That was HER storyline. S2 did not have that, but I would expect s3 HAS to have something for Elena to do that does not linger on the plotlines of other characters too much. My post here pretty much explores the options for her storylines that I can remember right now.