Where's Waldorf Forum Posts (Page 12)
Yeah they can co-exist I think. I just find them boring and irrelevant. I don't find their love story interesting or worthy of my focus. I don't like Lily always getting away with everything and anything and still managing to keep Rufus. No. That's not fair. Rufus has seen Dan's struggle to win anything in highschool when surrounded by advantaged rich kids who never face consequences. He's apparently willing to ignore that conscience part of him for the groupie Lily USED to be in her teens. She's not that woman anymore. Seriously.Posted 11/24/2012 2:37:58 AM #
Derena IS something different to Rufly because Serena wants to be that person that Dan loves. She actually IS that good person. She has figured it out sooner than Lily. Dan has his Dad's moral-compass thing but a whole other side of him that drew Serena in too. They're quirky, light and love-dovey. They're Ross and Rachel, being kept apart for mistakes where no one can entirely put the blame on one of them.Posted 11/23/2012 6:07:57 PM #
Nothing ruins all those innocent Dair moments over the years like the the knowledge they eventually sleep together. It's so sad.
Okay I'm going to be honest with everyone. I have never cared or focused on Rufly. I don't care about adult problems. I have actually missed out on things that have happened between them because I just didn't focus on their scenes. All I know is that they are annoyingly keeping Derena apart with their relationship, so I'm not interested in seeing their reunion. I also know that their relationship has been shit to me since Lily believed Rufus cheated. Because that was her third strike. Rufus cannot be Rufus and love Lily. He's just holding on to this memory of her being a free-spirited groupie when she isn't anymore.Posted 11/23/2012 6:01:48 PM #
Danfan I absolutely adored Carter and feel that it made total sense as a possible endgame for Serena. I'm satisfied with Derena but ill always hold a candle for Scarter. He was so perfect and there was an actual buildup from Season 1 for Scarter. The only problem with Scarter is that bad boys are not Serena's thing. Dating the forbidden is more Blair's romantic suiting. Scarter would be too much like Chair, as much as I freaking love it. You need Derena because Chair doesn't cover some ideas and themes that only Derena can provide, like the outsider/insider conflict. What Scarter represented is the kind of relationship NATE needs. He needs a female Carter.Posted 11/23/2012 9:37:03 AM #
Hey guys its been a while :) A couple of things:
1. I think Ivy was on the phone with Juliet in that last scene. If she's trying to take down Lily it is the perfect person to bring back.
2. Has anyone seen this? [http://youtu.be/D5Y5RcY94w0] I hope that it ends with Bart losing all sanity. I can so see Bart finally just coming undone. I think he's had mental issues from his own childhood that have fucked him up for life. Chuck and Blair might try and help him, but the result could be that he doesn't let them or something and falls off that roof. It could be good for Chuck to finally defeat Bart in a way and watch him fall apart as a "man" for once. Not necessarily die, but to actually see his own father lose it all would be interesting.
3. Dan and Serena saved the last episode. I honestly think the writers did them justice without being ridiculous or unrealistic.Posted 11/23/2012 1:47:52 AM #
If I HAD to write in the whole trading Blair for a hotel thing, I really think that these would have been the better and more realistic ways to write it:
Posted 11/18/2012 3:41:33 AM #
- Chuck had no idea and no part in the deal, and it was like what had happened earlier in Season 3 with Blair going behind Chuck's back and working with Jack to help him. They would have broken up. Chuck would have forgiven her but she wouldn't have forgiven herself. She could still fear loving Chuck too much and all that like she did. OR
- Jack told Chuck about the deal, and Chuck agrees. Chuck would tell Blair about it before she did anything, but explain it was only so they could gain evidence that Jack was trying to illegally trade sex for real estate or something. Some sort of way of turning his scheme around on him. I still believe to this day that there was another way to defeating Jack Bass and getting back the Empire.OR
- At the very least, make it more like Chuck was trying to win a game. It had nothing to do with not having a heart or something. Make it more clear that Blair is all that matters to him, because if 4x02 is proof of anything, its that Chuck loves Blair WAY more than Bass Industries and his Empire. It wasn't about choosing between not having a heart and having a heart. It was more like his mind was warped with fear and desperation. He really believed that they would get past it and that they still were a team. That's why he didn't run away and still fought for her after that mistake. I know it doesn't excuse his behaviour but it does explain it. I know Chuck had a really great redemption arc in Season 5, but I also feel like him apologizing too much or always being blamed for his mistakes or hated on is just stopping viewers (especially Dair fans) from believing he does have a heart. At least in Season 4, when Chuck was angry at Blair and seduced her, thinking he had a right to, it meant that maybe what Chuck did wasn't as bad because he still barely apologised. But 4x22 onwards was like Chuck admitting he was a complete piece of shit, and therefore all the Dair fans and Chuck-haters jump all over his apologies. Instead of beginning to forgive his character like any normal human, these viewers just used it as proof that he was a bad guy and turned the apologies around on him as reasons to hate him.
In Season 4, Serena and Chuck were being irritating with their Eva's, Raina's, Ben's and Colin's instead of focusing on Dan and Blair. But I think I've analysed why people got even more irritated with Blair and Dan for ditching Serena and Chuck in Season 5.
Most of us believed in Season 4 that Derena and Chair were the soulmates/ongoinglovers/endgame couples who needed to figure it out pronto. The way I see Gossip Girl, and the way the writers see Gossip Girl, is through this notion that Serena, Blair and Chuck are the holy trinity of Gossip Girl. They are the main players and everyone else is a pawn. So when Serena and Chuck BOTH were being irritating in Season 5, it wasn't as noticeably bad and annoying because it was 2 out of 3 of the trinity doing it. Like somehow it was accepted a little bit more and something that they just were all doing. Also, even if Blair got jealous of Eva and Raina, she immediately had someone there to pick up the pieces. She already had a fling with a prince prior to discovering Cheva, and she ran to Dan when she overheard Raina and Chuck. The same goes with Dan. He ran to Vanessa at first and then Blair. It's not like he had to be lonely during Season 4.
When Blair stepped out of the trinity in Season 5 with Dan, it was like she was being completely blasphemous. Like NO. You do not cross Serena AND Chuck all at once for a pawn in the game that is Gossip Girl. Serena and Chuck were BOTH lonely and waiting around in Season 5. They had no one else really as a romantic partner or option. Blair was the only one in the Trinity just falling in love with whoever she wants, whenever. So it wasn't accepted as something natural or played off like in Season 4. This was just an obvious jump and she turned her back on the others and practically exiled herself from the Trinity to live in Brooklyn. It didn't feel natural or flow with the mood of the season. It was just strange.
In an interview with the New York Post the co-creators likened their soap to "a chess game," where "Chuck and Blair are the king and queen. Everyone else, except Serena, is a pawn."Posted 11/15/2012 8:30:05 PM #
I love Ed forever for saying these things in his interview. I like how he makes it clear that Chuck isn't in love with Eva. I would positively die if he sung Frank Sinatra to Blair. That would be the thing to tip me over the edge to insanity when it comes to loving Chuck Bass's character. He's fucking perfection.
Why do you think Chuck is gonna fall in love with her (Eva)? Ed: Chuck is gonna be quite smitten with her but his heart is not available right now. He treats her right, he is sincere but I think he loves what she represents, a way to escape his past. She doesn’t know the old chuck so he can’t be himself with her. He is attracted by the quiet life without problems of this french student. He sees with her as a chance to have a new life. Would you like to sing in Gossip Girl? Ed: I would like to see Chuck sing a song just for Blair. Something a la Frank Sintra, I think it would be quite fitting…Posted 11/15/2012 8:13:53 PM #
Dude, I don't have a problem with Chuck downspiralling again if it means Chuck and Blair get it on. But this unfortunately is exactly what they WEREN'T supposed to do. That's like Blair taking advantage of HIM. I know she means to comfort him or remind him of their connection through sex or something like she did in Season 3, but it would be the same thing as Chuck taking advantage of Blair while she had more than her half of the bottle of Dom in 6x03.
This is what the clues/hints/spoilers were talking about when they said something happens to one of them that throws a wrench in their pact. It's not necessarily meaning they'll break up, but more likely this pact will have to be altered to allow them to be together more properly.
For people pissed off with Chuck and Blair waiting, consider this quote:
"When [the show] picks up, he wants to be with Blair, and he’s pursuing Blair. That’s his obsession, his goal. It’s the only thing that’s keeping him [going]. I think he attaches himself to the idea of her so much, the idea of them so much, that it becomes unhealthy. So it’s going to be interesting."-Ed (referring to 5x11 on)Posted 11/15/2012 8:03:47 PM #
Guys I'm sorry but there is no way you're going to enjoy the final season acting so hungry all the time and disappointed with everything. Just look at what we're getting and try and appreciate it. The writers are telling a story here so lets give them a chance.
I don't think Derena is a shocking twist at all. I think it makes total sense. They were always meant to find their way back to each other. I know you all hate Dan, but honestly you have to watch Season 4 to understand how he fell out of love with Serena. He gave up on her but not for entirely misguided reasons. We all couldn't stand Serena's romantic choices in Season 4. Can't we all agree to that? She was ridiculous. She took Dan for granted way too much even if she didn't mean to. But Dan showed her by trailing after Blair that she should grab her next chance with Dan and hold on instead of floating. Now all they need is some recon. They need to find those great people that they used to be in Season 1 and what better way than finding them together?Posted 11/15/2012 11:04:08 AM #