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Snooker83

Well I don't want to get into another shipper war discussion. Still no matter who you ship it is clear that this whole baby SL was very poorly handled indeed.

Apart from the pertinent question why you'd lumber a 21 year old character with a child on a TV show there's indeed the issue that from previews she seems more concerned about Chuck living than losing her child.

Even if she doesn't love the father she should have some feelings about that child. Not showing her grief is callous and irresponsible writing.

I'm against the baby SL in general, but they chose to write it and treat it as nothing more than a plotpoint to create drama in the Chuck/Blair/Louis triangle and that is just lazy writing.

Once again!

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Exactly Ann, they say when you reach the bottom it's then when you realize you have been doing it wrong. The writers could have at least put emphasis on the lost of the baby to set up Blair character's development. Instead, at least that's what it looks like from the promos, Blair is going to care only about Chuck and to base the most important decision of her life on a promise to God to Chuck's benefit. I seriously can't believe this and I can't believe anyone being ok with this. It's not only destroying a character, it's depriving a woman of her human dignity, free will, independency, and all the elements that define a woman as such, like her maternal instinct. 

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Ophelia
2293 posts
Ophelia

it is clear that this whole baby SL was very poorly handled indeed.

I agree with this, but I'm pretty sure they didn't include any baby related scene in the promo because they didn't confirm the miscarriage. Everybody figured it out, but it's not official yet.

I don't like the vow storyline because Blair making a promise to god is out of character and the idea of a promise to god itself gives me chills. But I can understand if she's more worried about the man she says she loves most than about a baby she didn't bond with yet. Not every woman begins to love her baby unconditionally the moment she knows she's pregnant.

all the elements that define a woman as such, like her maternal instinct

this leaves me perplexed...

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Can I ask why Dori? Don't you also think that at least losing her baby should be of some relevance to the mother?

The only reason she cared about being pregnant was that she was afraid it was Chuck's. Fine.

The only reason why she looked like she totally forgot that she was pregnant was that she was too busy thinking about Chuck's super speedy redemption. Fine.

The only reason why she suddenly remembered that she was pregnant was that Chuck could have never loved another man's child. Fine.

She never considered for a moment that she was going to have her baby, not a soulmate-blabla-whatever, but a real part of her. Ok, she's young, well...not that young tbh, since I am also 22 and I couldn't imagine myself being so superficial with my baby, but as far as I remember Blair's also supposed to be smart. Let's be honest: she's not some silly teenager anymore.

So, I would say that saying that she didn't behave the way you would expect from an intelligent, grown-up, young woman is not an overstatement. 

But in a perverse logic Blair's behavior is consistent with her characterization at the moment. Since she only thinks about herself in terms of who she should be to be with Chuck a man, (God she's even marrying a man to save Chuck's life now), and she seems to have no more aspirations of her own nor free will, it makes sense that also her baby becomes of no importance compared to said man. I am just saying congratulations to the writers for being consistent for the first time in such a sad, sad situation.

 

 

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2093 posts
Snooker83

Some women don't have much of a maternal instinct or any desire to have children.

That said I don't think Blair is one of them.

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Ophelia
2293 posts
Ophelia

 

Can I ask why Dori?

If a woman doesn't have maternal instinct, it doesn't make her less of a woman.

Don't you also think that at least losing her baby should be of some relevance to the mother?

Like I said before, we only saw a couple of promos, the miscariage wasn't officially confirmed so it wasent shown. We still don't know how she is going to react in the episode.

The only reason why she suddenly remembered that she was pregnant was that Chuck could have never loved another man's child. Fine.

I don't see it this way. When you choose to be with a man that is not the father of your child, that man becomes part of your child's life. If she didn't care about the baby at all, but only about Chuck, why did she care about him being able to love her baby? She would have chosen him regardless of his feelings for her baby. Lily did it with her former husbands, remember Serena end Eric complaining about their mother embracing her husbands' lyfestiles whitout caring if her children were fine with those life choices?

This was the only moment Blair actually showed she cared about her baby.

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I don't see it this way because the question she made was not "Could my baby be ok with a man other than his father?" but "Chuck could ever love this baby?" so it was again about Chuck. And it wasn't even a question tbh, but just "Chuck and I would be perfect together now, but he could never love another man's baby". Like the baby was an obstacle to be with Chuck... but anyway, I agree we still don't know how they'll handle things in the future. Maybe Blair will open up at least with Dan about the baby.

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Ophelia
2293 posts
Ophelia

Facciamo che ti rispondo in Italiano perché sono un po' fusa oggi e non mi va di sforzarmi a formulare una frase decente in Inglese :D

Ma se la sua scelta riguardasse solo ed esclusivamente Chuck, non pensi che la soluzione più semplice sarebbe stata tornare con lui e sbolognare il bambino a Dorota tutto il giorno, per esempio? O addirittura acconsentire all'affidamento paterno esclusivo. A me sembra evidente che lei avesse a cuore soprattutto l'interesse di suo figlio, che con Chuck sarebbe cresciuto e l'avrebbe considerato una figura di riferimento. Per questo era necessario per lei essere sicura che Chuck avrebbe voluto bene a quel bambino prima di poter scegliere di tornare con lui.

La formulazione della domanda mi sembra un po' tirata per capelli, suvvia ;)  La domanda "mio figlio sarebbe felice con un uomo che non è suo padre?" porta a "sì, se quest'uomo lo ama pur non essendo suo padre biologico" oppure "no, se quest'uomo non è capace di amarlo", quindi "potrebbe Chuck amare il figlio di un altro uomo?" è strettamente collegato alla domanda iniziale.

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7725 posts
Dr-hollis

Still, it's an exaggeration to say that Chair fans killed the baby.  All summer, Chair fans were bouncing up and down about the potential of a "Baby Bass," and then even after Louis was revealed as the father, there was speculation (and fanfiction) about Chuck becoming a stepdad.  I was hoping to see better writing around Blair's pregnancy and impending motherhood, and didn't want to see a miscarriage, because I felt that Blair could go for it.  If Chuck can run a billion dollar corporation and Dan can write a New York Times bestseller at age 20, Blair could have been a fabulous mom -- and I wondered if she'd actually be a single mom for a while in the season post-prince as she sorted things out.  But it didn't happen.

Despite what some of you might believe, Chair fans aren't writing the show.  If Chair fans had their way, several incidents in Seasons 3 and 4 wouldn't have happened.  Chair fans hated the IP (and many, many people jumped off ship then) or Chenny in Season 3, and the ship lost even more fans after the punch.  TPTB really did their best to make Chuck unsympathetic over the past two years, to the point where some viewers believe he's unredeemable.  In their grand tradition of effing up, the writers have REALLY screwed up Blair this season.  I think that fans from all ships, and who are neutral, would agree that the Louis/Princess Blair storyline was a huge mistake.  It's literally holding the show hostage.

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2093 posts
Snooker83

I think what killed the baby SL is that they wanted to have it because of the shock value and the potential for the B/L/C triangle and then realized the long term implications.

Story telling wise it's logical to write the miscarriage. Keeping the baby would hamper them for the rest of the season and a potential S6, abortion is too controversial => miscarriage.

Simple as that, IMO it has nothing to do with Chair fans.

And no I am not a Chair fan, so  I'm not in denial on this one lol.

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