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lmao soo to avoid srs bsnss in the other thread, i thought i'd post this as it's own topic so nair fans and chair fans can weigh in on their thoughts/rants/views or whatever. me personally, i don't really ship either. i was never a huge nair fan, if anything i was prone to chair. until season 2 kinda blew in and screwed that all up for me. so now i'm on the fence and don't really care about either. though, both relationships have their good moments and really awful ones. but here can be the place (or new place) to lay down all of your views on the subject.

i guess the big debate would be the interpretation of blair's views and feelings about one ship vs the other. even when i was a chair fan, i never really felt comfortable with using such a classic pairing as blair and nate as just a stepping stone for blair and chuck. it's not fair to push down a relationship like that in favor of another one. i thought that season 1 blair was all about her priorities and how nate fit better in them than chuck really did. despite what he did or what she did, i really do feel that there was a real connection between them and i kinda hate how things had gotten skewed. you know, nair has a fanbase too and it's just not fair to them.

i couldn't and wouldn't look at it as any other way though because as a dair fan, i'd rather not watch (in any type of future aspect) my favorite couple get downsized and poorly written in favor of blair and chuck. it's happened wayy wayyyyy too much and i hope now that they are 'together now' and eventually it would be out of everyone's system, something that has the potential to be equally as magical or as poignant can happen. just my opinion.

Posted 9/16/2009 4:41:35 PM #
nanda
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i never though nate and blair loved each other, even before cb happened, i never felt anything for them, i think blair loved more the idea of nate (prince charming) than nate as a person. and nate was just a big mess, i really think he cared about serena and wanted her, serena was the only nate's love interest that i really think he loved until now. that's why i think i never shipped nb. season 2 they only got back together because blair couldnt be with chuck, they were a big sad joke, IMO

i never really felt comfortable with using such a classic pairing as blair and nate as just a stepping stone for blair and chuck. it's not fair to push down a relationship like that in favor of another one

me either, bringing nb together in season 2 was just disrespectful for both fanbases. NB only got back together because they didnt want to put cb together until the last minute of the show and they were really bad written, i have a friend who ships them and she stopped watching the show because she hated how they used nb just to create drama to cb. and for chair fans it was awfull too because we were waiting two seasons to see cb together and all the build up they had until episode 2x15 abd out of the blue they just bring nb again.

Posted 9/16/2009 5:16:35 PM #
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i'm just curious... i noticed that a lot of chair fans like to downplay the nair relationship as 'oh she never really loved him.. he never really loved her either' do you guys just say that because you're chair fans who legitmately believes that no other person on the planet could love blair but chuck or do you just hate the nair relationship so much that it's easier just to assume that it wasn't a 'real relationship'?

because i mean, i get that the show and the novels are relatively different from each other. but you gotta remember where this originated from. in the novels, nate legitmately cared about both girls so much in fact that he couldnt' choose between them at times. and i highly doubt that neither blair or nate could be dumb enough to stick with someone you really don't want to. i mean nate did have enough sense to back out of the relationship with vanessa and he did have some to back out of one with the duchess.. yet he stayed with blair as long as he did and it somehow doesn't count cause 'he cheated on her with serena?'.. how does that work? and blair.. we all know that she's pretty damn brilliant at times. so by that logic she'd stay with nate as long as she did because she 'likes the idea of prince charming'? i think it's a bit more than that. because girls who 'love the idea' of anything don't normally sink that little belief so quickly in favor of something else so quickly.

so in short, i highly doubt blair nor nate would 'stick' with a person for whatever reason as long as they both have without some kind of love being involved. but maybe that's just me.

Posted 9/16/2009 5:34:19 PM #
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i never though nate and blair loved each other, even before cb happened, i never felt anything for them, i think blair loved more the idea of nate (prince charming) than nate as a person.

You read my mind! I agree completely! Blair is a perfectionist. Nate represented a perfect ideal of "prince charming" in her mind. He was polite, well behaved, good looking, came from a good family, etc... It wasn't until she learned he cheated on her with Serena and that he still had feelings for her that she realized that the Nate she had created in her mind wasn't real.

Posted 9/16/2009 5:35:54 PM #
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Nate felt obligated to date Blair. Their families were friends and he was kind of pressured into it. I'm sure he liked her and thought she was attractive but she also hid a large part of who she was from him and put on an act when they were together. He never really knew or understood who she was. And when he did learn who she was, he didn't like it.

I mean, even in the second season when Nate and Blair got back together he went over to see Chuck to complain about her.

Nate: "It was stupid of me to think Blair had changed."

Chuck: "Yes."

Nate: "So, she's just the way she is."

Chuck: "What I mean, it's stupid for you to want her to be anything other than she is."

Posted 9/16/2009 5:41:03 PM #
nanda
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i'm just curious... i noticed that a lot of chair fans like to downplay the nair relationship as 'oh she never really loved him.. he never really loved her either' do you guys just say that because you're chair fans who legitmately believes that no other person on the planet could love blair but chuck or do you just hate the nair relationship so much that it's easier just to assume that it wasn't a 'real relationship'?

like i said, i never felt anything for nate and blair, even before cb happened. i think the show and the books are two completly different things, even the producers have said this, i never read them so idk how was blair and nate's relationship on them and i could care less. i care about the show, and it never showed me that nate and blair loved each other. i just know some things about the books, but if it was for us to take them in consideration than chuck would be bi, vanessa and dan would have a romantic relationship, nate would be the male leader (thing that he obviously isnt)

Posted 9/16/2009 5:44:46 PM #
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^^ this isn't a debate about which is better because frankly the 'show' writing shat all over teh brilliance that the books provided. all i said was remember where it came from. josh and stephanie didn't create anything about GG other than add on characters to mix in the pot. and i said in contrast to blair and nate in the novels because in the novels they clearly cared. and that was my point, out of everything i don't see why they wouldn't. and i certainly don't see how he'd been with blair the longest out of his other flings yet he cared for serena the most (which is laughable at best because if he did care for serena that deeply, don't you think he'd be trying to be with her still) or that he cared for the others he'd dated since blair more. it just doesn't make sense. and nothing that's being presented makes it any clearer. it kind of just leads me to think it's a little bit of nair prejudice.

Posted 9/16/2009 5:51:23 PM #
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This is such an interesting thread! well-thats-too-bad i used to really like nair and i did feel extremelly disrespected when they used them to make chair seem way more superior. i feel like they just wanted to kill their fanbase so that everyone would to go shipping chair.

sure nate wasn't so nice to blair in the first few episodes of season one until after her birthday. he was in love with serena. during high society you can really see that they had some sort of connection.

after chair kinda lost it between 2x07-2x11 i was a huge nair shipper. after 2x13 i liked chair more but still had hope for nair because in the flashback scenes in blair waldorf must pie they were adorable.

right now i ship serenate who i also always liked and chair.

i hope nate and blair have a friendship. the whole 'high school boyfriend' breakup was pathetic though.

Posted 9/16/2009 5:51:28 PM #
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Chuck and Blair connect on a deeper level. If you want to say Nate and Blair had "puppy" love or first love, I guess you could make an argument for that. But Chuck and Blair accept and love each other for who they are.

Posted 9/16/2009 5:58:58 PM #
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^^ oh that reminds me of something svwoodsen. in case you guys don't know about how boys (well some boys anyway) and relationships work (not trying to offend and i am not saying that you don't) but remember the way nate gave blair the cold shoulder after finding out about her 'thing with chuck' um yeah.. guys in relationships if he really didn't care about her the way you two like to claim he never did, he WOULDN'T be angry about what happened. he certainly wouldn't be shafting blair in the second season as much as he did if he wasn't really over it. because thats what happens in relationships sometimes. if you have a bad break up like that and you can't reflect on your ex or whatever without feeling anger and hurt then it's a safe bet that your ass isn't over them. if you're really over it then whenever you think about the past and what's happened, you feel nothing. nothing good but nothing bad either. it's just a thing that happened and you're over it and moved on.

and yeah nate didn't seem to represent that at all in the second season, which pretty much tells me that regardless of HOW much there WAS something there.

Posted 9/16/2009 5:59:03 PM #