Reply to PostDair fans, why do you prefer them over Chair?
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depends on what you define as strategy. if they were trying to piss off part of the fanbase, delude people and make things as irrelevant as possible, yeah then i guess it did. however, it was pointless and weak. and all it did was prove to all of the great fanfiction writers out there who hated what they saw too that only about a million great thinkers without degrees could pull out better quality than the actual writers. good job!
I never said it was a nice or smart form of strategy, merely that it was one...it served its purpose for the sake of the show. And while I know that it drove some of the fanbase away, there were ones loyal to the show or the ship, or whatever it was that kept them still glued to the tv...and most of the chair fans were strung along until the end to finally hear those words. It obviously wasnt meant to steer away fans, but a show loses viewers throughout their lifetime on the air, for whatever reasons, so I dont really care that those fans left, that was their choice, and you and I obviously decided to stay, albeit for reasons foreign to each other, so the lost viewers are irrelevant imo b/c if dair does happen, i wont bail on gg, and u obviously havent done so yet either, even with chair on your screen.
i'll just pretend that i didn't read this. because there's no way you can put 'healthy' and 'relationship' in terms of dan and blair but yet attempt to explain how chuck and blair were just the perfect healthy happy couple. cause news flash CHUCK AND BLAIR CIRCA SEASON TWO WAS NOT HEALTHY! anyway moving on...
I'm not the one arguing that Blair needs to be in a healthy relationship because she's a girl, and I'm a girl, therefore I think I'm a feminist or whatnot. I just don't understand how you can criticize chair for not being healthy(disregard the reasons I stated above, its just what SOME dair fans allude to when defending their ship, but I didnt mean that they were YOUR reasons), and yet see how dair would be.
if you mean dan and georgina season three however, then yeah they are PERFECT references. because dan knew the deal, and he knew all about how wild G could be. yet he did it anyway. if that's not in someway shape or form of declaring just how far D has come along in three years i don't know what is. but i guess the chair side affecting your brain refuses to see certain things. and well i do love to post my opinions, i'm not a miracle worker so we'll keep it at that. go find your own annie sullivan.
I guess that side has deeply affected my brain since I still think he was just horny and stupid for hooking up with g s3. And I never looked for a miracle worker, nor did I appoint you to be mine. And I wont apologize that my sign language does not make sense to your spoken one, and unless I directed my post to you before you decided to comment on it, then just speak ur opinions while I speak mine, but don't flatter yourself in thinking that I need your logic and perception to save me from a doomed ship; don't strain yourself.
but i will say again, if he's coming around to georgina then i definitely don't see how dan and blair couldn't be a possibility.
Like I mentioned, I dont doubt that dan could possibly "come around" to blair, i just dont see it happening vice versa.
i don't see how judgement comes into the issue. yeah he's judgemental but so is she. unlike chuck and blair, i don't expect nor want either of them to 'change' for the other person. i just happen to think that the two just as they are, could be pretty compatiable.
When they're judgmental of EACH OTHER, than yeah, change is inevitable. It will mean blair will now accept everything she hates now, and the other way around.
crazier things have happened on this show. so i don't see how dan and blair can't happen. i can't help it that there's a bunch of people who fear that it could and too closeminded to even think of the possiblities.
I can see the writers doing it, and I dont fear it. I admitted before that them having a hook-up wouldnt be disastrous to my eyes, I just don't think they'd be a good couple. I'm not closeminded b/c I dont agree with your opinions, and if it is done right, then I cant say that I will NEVER like dair, b/c I for one, do not hate dan like I have been accused. But if the day comes that I find myself actually intrigued by dair, than it would be by MY logic and perceptions, not yours or any other dair shippers. But at this point, I dont see dair being a couple I would actually like, and I stated my reasons, and responded to your comments directed at me. The same thing you did, but I guess you're not fearful or closeminded for hating chuck and hate that chair is the biggest ship and has taken over most of the fanbase and critics, that you are so repulsed by the idea of joining in bc you'd hate behaving like robots (which is what many dair shippers elicit imo).
Posted 10/13/2009 7:23:47 PM # -
I guess that side has deeply affected my brain since I still think he was just horny and stupid for hooking up with g s3. And I never looked for a miracle worker, nor did I appoint you to be mine. And I wont apologize that my sign language does not make sense to your spoken one, and unless I directed my post to you before you decided to comment on it, then just speak ur opinions while I speak mine, but don't flatter yourself in thinking that I need your logic and perception to save me from a doomed ship; don't strain yourself.
i'm flattered and offended at the same time that you think i actually think that. i'm not a superhero though if i were, all of your worlds would be in serious trouble.
I can see the writers doing it, and I dont fear it. I admitted before that them having a hook-up wouldnt be disastrous to my eyes, I just don't think they'd be a good couple. I'm not closeminded b/c I dont agree with your opinions, and if it is done right, then I cant say that I will NEVER like dair, b/c I for one, do not hate dan like I have been accused. But if the day comes that I find myself actually intrigued by dair, than it would be by MY logic and perceptions, not yours or any other dair shippers. But at this point, I dont see dair being a couple I would actually like, and I stated my reasons, and responded to your comments directed at me. The same thing you did, but I guess you're not fearful or closeminded for hating chuck and hate that chair is the biggest ship and has taken over most of the fanbase and critics, that you are so repulsed by the idea of joining in bc you'd hate behaving like robots (which is what many dair shippers elicit imo).
i actually don't hate chuck. i like him a lot. i wish he was more like he was in season one but that's another topic for another time. what i don't like is chair. it used to work for me and now it doesn't. in no way will it work for me when there's sooo much wrong with it. i guess you could say that i took a peek behind the curtain and saw the short hairy fat guy controlling everything. i think he's an idiot therefore i don't trust anything he does.
Like I mentioned, I dont doubt that dan could possibly "come around" to blair, i just dont see it happening vice versa.
i noticed that in every episode so far, there's a dair moment. so i'm sure in about six more episodes what you just said there will be proven wrong. i don't even need to comment on it further than that.
I'm not the one arguing that Blair needs to be in a healthy relationship because she's a girl, and I'm a girl, therefore I think I'm a feminist or whatnot. I just don't understand how you can criticize chair for not being healthy(disregard the reasons I stated above, its just what SOME dair fans allude to when defending their ship, but I didnt mean that they were YOUR reasons), and yet see how dair would be.
well i can't speak for all dair fans but i can speak for myself. i think the reason why it's a staple on the argument board is because whenever we talk about dair and how or why it could happen. we're met with a bunch of 'OMFG CHAIR IS THE PERFECT COUPLE' 'IT IS THE PERFECT SHIP' 'IT'S SO GREAT' a lot of the reasons people were turned off from it was because it's not great and not perfect. yet that's the main arguments chair have when it comes to the thought of blair with anyone. it's a pointless argument. agree to disagree but t hat's just how it is. some of them just refuse to think about b with another guy. and the others who are more open minded admit that they love chair and prefer them and put them first, but also know that b and d or b and anyone else is a possibility and it may or may not be so bad. so tell me, what kind are you?
Posted 10/13/2009 7:39:12 PM # -
i'm flattered and offended at the same time that you think i actually think that. i'm not a superhero though if i were, all of your worlds would be in serious trouble.
I only mentioned that miracle worker reference b/c from ur comment before, I perceived that you were saying i was hopeless, and you couldnt be my saviour
i noticed that in every episode so far, there's a dair moment. so i'm sure in about six more episodes what you just said there will be proven wrong. i don't even need to comment on it further than that.
then time will tell if the writers decide to shut dair fans up, and give them their couple. The way they did with chair.
well i can't speak for all dair fans but i can speak for myself. i think the reason why it's a staple on the argument board is because whenever we talk about dair and how or why it could happen. we're met with a bunch of 'OMFG CHAIR IS THE PERFECT COUPLE' 'IT IS THE PERFECT SHIP' 'IT'S SO GREAT' a lot of the reasons people were turned off from it was because it's not great and not perfect. yet that's the main arguments chair have when it comes to the thought of blair with anyone. it's a pointless argument. agree to disagree but t hat's just how it is. some of them just refuse to think about b with another guy. and the others who are more open minded admit that they love chair and prefer them and put them first, but also know that b and d or b and anyone else is a possibility and it may or may not be so bad. so tell me, what kind are you?
Well, I can assure you that if I personalLy didnt think chair wasnt appealing, than I wouldnt ship it. I think the fact that I gave my reasons, despite you agreeing or disagreeing with them. why I don't like dair at this point shows that its not because its dan and not chuck. Like I stated before, if they're done correctly, and in a way that appeals to me, than I wont have a trouble shipping dair. But right now, theyre not appealing, but chair is.
And I, like you, have something that irks me about chair fans. While yours is that some claim chair is perfect when theyre not, (which is not what I said in any of my posts) and mine is that for some reason, i've come to think that it isnt for love of dan and blair together, but whatever will take her away from chuck is the answer to a better coupling. Perhaps the way both sides defend their ship is what may irk you and I, but at least for my part, I see that's the fundamental problem in the whole chair vs. dair fights, and not the ships themselves. Which is why it will be an ongoing debate, and although it is fun while it lasts, it is kinda pointless b/c neither side can win in a face-off between opinions. Perhaps late, but at least I said it. Which is why I only commented on the dair v. chair debate until now, and maybe it'll be the only time i will.
Posted 10/13/2009 8:30:16 PM # -
And I, like you, have something that irks me about chair fans.
I meant to say that I have something that irks me about dair fans...just like you have something that irks you about chair fans. Couldn't explain myself better before...
Posted 10/13/2009 8:44:22 PM # -
"...we're overthrowing the writers. you can write the show. and Jkay and Mc too, If they ever come back."
I second that motion, hell i'd do that shit for free as long as I could do it out of home, and write this show the way it's supposed to be.
You do that, Me Emilee and Nenny can direct and produce, someone else can be on editing and wardrobe, and the rabid chair fans won't get a job.
Posted 10/13/2009 8:56:30 PM # -
"someone else can be on editing and wardrobe"
CCIAL and Sexwick, they'll know how to find the most revealing clothing, and how to edit a scene where genitalia will somehow compose half the footage in said scene.
"and the rabid chair fans won't get a job."
Agreed, I already have a giant fire pit ready for those bishes.
"Okay I have a legitimate question for Dair fans. Dair fans seem to bring up that Chuck is allegedly "emotionally abusive" and for some reason or another Blair is in an "unhealthy" relationship."
Ok, go on...
"Without mentioning Chuck or Chair at all in your argument"
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"can you explain to me how a relationship between Dan and Blair could be a strong healthy relationship without disregarding important aspects of each characters personality such as Dan's tendency to be judgemental and Blair being a raging bitch."
Nice little straw man turn there, it starts off about how Chair is an abusive at times relationship(or how some Dair fans believe this) but then turns into "WELL, tell us Chair fans how Dair will be any better." it's sort of ridiculous.
"I just seriously want to understand how some one can logically ship this couple. I have the desire to understand."
I KNOW you've been around for a while, I also know that it is impossible for you to have missed so much discussion and comments regarding why people ship Dair between people like me, JKay, Gwen, w-t-t-b, CCIAL and so forth, why do we have to explain it over and over again?
Why can't you just search through the Dair thread, or the Dan/Blair/Chuck threesome thread?
Posted 10/13/2009 9:04:03 PM # -
Okay I have a legitimate question for Dair fans. Dair fans seem to bring up that Chuck is allegedly "emotionally abusive" and for some reason or another Blair is in an "unhealthy" relationship. Without mentioning Chuck or Chair at all in your argument can you explain to me how a relationship between Dan and Blair could be a strong healthy relationship without disregarding important aspects of each characters personality such as Dan's tendency to be judgemental and Blair being a raging bitch.
Here it goes.
For one thing, Dan hasn't been a judgementing sociopath all this Season so far. He has actually been pretty nice to Blair, except the one time at the party when she actually deserved it. And Blair would not put up with Dan's judgemental crapy anyways. Sure, she might put up with it if it is Nate or Chuck's judgemental crap, but as we've seen, Blair really doesn't give a crap what Dan has to say about her anyways. You have to also take into a fact that yes, they might not always see eye to eye if they ever became a couple, but I believe that they could come to terms about some things.
Posted 10/13/2009 9:11:32 PM # -
^^ And that should do good enough to answer your question for now, unless you want to look at the hundreds upon hundreds of posts that me, along with others, have made on the subject.
Posted 10/13/2009 9:15:20 PM # -
you want an explaination eh? without using chuck, well that'd be hard. but i'll use him anyway and try to break it down to something folks can understand.
the way i see it, dan and blair aren't that different. so i really don't understand how folks can get up in arms at the prospect of dan and blair. it's easy to blame it on their love for chair, but then again no one can blame that assumption. not whenever you're trying to discuss it with folks who may or may not see it the way you do and you're met with 'this is the stupidest pairing ever....chuck and blair forever!' but i digress. anyway on with the point.
dan is judgemental, but don't think for a second that blair isn't. it's just that the way she displays it is a bit differently than dan. for example, it seems that dan just displays his judgement everywhere and to everyone. serena, jenny, nate..his own father. it seems that he's 'hard' on everyone in his world except to vanessa. now THAT don't make much sense but whatever, we're not discussing that douchebag here. but blair on the other hand.. she might be a bit nicer to her friends, but to just about everyone else? she's just as harsh if not moreso than he is. she's upper class, living her high quality life and looking down on others who aren't. dan just looks down on those he feels are morally incorrect.
which brings me to my next point. i can see how people think dan and blair would clash since they are both on two different moral agendas (or so it seems) but seriously, if you can't see the changes that they both have made in three years then you're fucking blind. blair might have questionable motives but her agenda usually consists of helping a close friend and or revenge. and if you felt someone fucked you over and you had the means, wouldn't you do the same? in the beginning, dan might have been anti anything that had clout and access because he hated the fact that he had to work so hard only to get looked over in favor of someone who worked way less. (IE Nate in the poison ivy episode where dan nearly lost the dartmouth usher position). Blair is much the same way and if you need references, check just about every major argument she had with Serena in season 1 or hell, the Yale college episode in season 2. Even though Blair 'might' fit into that category that Dan hated, Blair works damn hard for everything she has ever gotten but sometimes she got the shaft too, in favor of someone else who doesn't work as hard. which is why i kept saying that 'money' regardless of new or old, to me, wasn't an issue. i never got the impression that dan's intial hatred of the upper east side had to do with the fact that their bank accounts had more zeros than his. it was about the stigmas attached to upper east siders. the ones who do what they want, when they want and get whatever they want because of it. in beginning, dan might have hated the backstabbing and the manipulation.. but i say the minute he conciously got with blair in order to 'take down' georgina in season 1, basically means that he's overcome that. either that or he just might be the biggest hypocrite the world has ever seen. to me, he's coming around to the UES way of operating regardless of how 'wrong' or 'right' it might be. but hey, thats what he gets for dating the epitome of the upper east side.
i saw what the writers tried to do with dan and serena, and it was nice in the beginning. but it was also terribly cliche'd. come on.. poor nice boy in love with rich wild but 'nice' party girl. and like usual it's the rich one who's looking to change their ways. it worked for five minutes but then it got kind of boring. you've seen it in just about every damn teen movie that's been a semi big hit. but do you see where the poor nice boy gets with the rich bitch? not usually, which is another reason why i want dair to work. not saying it hasnt' been done before, but not to the degree you've seen a dan and serena story. but sadly, this would have worked better in earlier seasons.
another reason, i say they work is because they've got a lot in common. i think way more than dan have in common with serena and definitely more than blair had in common with say, nate. they both have mommy complexes, they both are driven to succeed academic wise.. both have 'lost' yale... the list really goes on and on. i'd say the only main thing that make them opposite is their bank accounts. which now that lily and rufus are married (ugh god i wish this s/l was done already) well maybe that might not be the case anymore.
to those who claim that blair would 'never' go for someone like dan... please stop kidding yourselves. i'd assume that blair wouldn't go for a guy like chuck but OOPS look what happened. in the beginning her image screamed anti chuck bass. she was a bitch but she was the 'good girl'. good girls with images as pristine and clean as hers were THEN, wouldn't permit a guy like chuck in her personal life let alone bed. but she proved everyone wrong and got with him anyway. so why is it such a stretch that she'd do the same for dan? i think by now we're seeing a different side to waldorf. and by side i mean 'tolerance'. dan and blair are actually interacting now without it being forced by serena which naturally assumes that she's coming around. and it's not as if you didn't see it coming. just look at the way she's been towards jenny. it's a nice change pace though. i'd love to see their friendship explored.
but those were some of the reasons i think it COULD work. one big reason i think it should would be because of the balancing act. i'd love to see dan met with a real challenge. let's face it, serena is no challenge. in fact she's the opposite. all you need to do is be nice to her and you get free access into her bed. she barely made dan 'work' for anything. come to think of it, most of the females he'd been with gave him no real challenge. unless lonely boy is working with some serious off camera charisma, given his background, i don't see this at all as realistic. but whatever, that's the writers fault. with blair, i think he'd have some work to do. plus i think it'd be cute as well to watch dan overcome his 'issue' with dating blair if in fact they do become some sort of item. i'd love to watch it. as far as blair goes, blair could use a little humility. i think getting with dan would be the opposite of getting with chuck, that's for sure. little to no humilation at all. and i don't think blair would throw herself at him. she'd be treated with respect, which is all around good to me.
meh i've written a novel. so i'll stop now. but those are some reasons, i think dan and blair, could, should and would work.
Posted 10/15/2009 7:15:20 AM # -
WTTB - i am not even going to attempt to dissect your essay and try to justify my reasons for why i don't think dan and blair would work.but i do have something to say.
why is everyone talking like 'dair' is a relationship that is going to happen? has anyone heard any spoilers AT ALL hinting slightly at the fact that there might be a dair relationship on the horizon? please share because i'd like to know why the heck this 'ship' has grabbed so much attention and fandom so quickly. so they've had a few scenes together and shown that they are capable of communicating without ripping each others throats out - but the fact remains the same; dan hates blair and blair hates dan. i think the most they can EVER BE is friends.
with blair and chuckit was slightly different. chuck was the UES playboy that no one could tolerate but nate and blair. nate, because he is his best friend; and blair because he was her boyfriend's best friend. i think blair and chuck had a very intriguing relationship even from the very beginning of the show. it was obvious from the pilot episode when blair was staring at serena leaving in a taxi with dan and then chuck came up behind her and they had a small but impacting interaction.
blair LOVED to HATE chuck. the writers made sure they hinted a blair/chuck hook up from the very beginning with their stichomythic dialogue and obvious flirting even though she was with nate and probably never really considered getting with chuck. also, from the very beginning, the writers tried to make it out like blair was the only girl chuck ever really respected as an equal - who would later become his counterpart. never before blair had he shown such care and honour towards a woman. this is emphasised in their first hook up scene when he asks, "are you sure?". i am YET to see this kind of interaction or magic between dan and blair. and i probably never will because dan and blair will never work. the writers wouldn't take such a tragic and ridiculous risk - unless they want to turn into bold and the beautiful.
the reason this will probably never work is because they are solid people who have had little maturation/growth over the past 2 seasons. chuck has compromised a hell of a lot to be with blair, and yet, he is still very similar in terms of personality. dan has a very shallow personality and would not be able to alter aspects of his personality without compromising his WHOLE personality. dan remains just as judgemental and cruel as ever. especially in ep 2 of season 3 when he humiliated blair in front of the whole party. now i'm not sticking up for blair because in a way she did bring it upon herself; but she was in a position where her integrity was at stake. her title as constance queen was not helping her in finding any friends at college, so she went to dan for help...and all he had to do was not make fun of her and make her feel even more embarrassed and exposed - and he couldn't even manage to do that.
dan does not pay the respect to people who deserve it; and unless he starts making some compromises for blair; there is absolutely no chance that such a relationship could work.
Posted 10/15/2009 8:39:58 AM #
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