question for chuck blair fans
i really don't want to turn this into a dan vs. chuck for who is the better man, and who is better for blair, but i just wanted some perspective. For me as a fan of dan and blair i can see why she would love dan, and as someone whose main reason for not liking chuck and blair's relationship is the fact that the scene of them professing there undying love for eachother has been repeated one or two too many times and has therefore lost its importance on me, im just really interested in knowing the reason why chuck blair fans think that blair loves chuck. but im actually looking for answers though, not just that hes hot, or because they have the internal spark that can't be explained that will never die. and ill repeat myself, this is not an argument about why blair should love chuck more than dan or vice versa, im really just curious because i personally can't come up with one reason.Posted 2/16/2012 5:59:01 PM #
im just really interested in knowing the reason why chuck blair fans think that blair loves chuck.blair knows chuck's flaws, fears, and insecurities and still loves him those are the reason of how i can tell she loves him. she is just scared at taking a risk to be happy with the man she loves the most so she runs away to other men to escape from reality (nate,louis,dan,cameron,lord marcus) instead of dealing with her own problems and trying to be independent.Posted 2/16/2012 10:19:11 PM #
Putting Dan in the same sack with Lord Marcus. Omg you people never fail to make me laugh.Posted 2/16/2012 11:15:13 PM #
i really don't want to turn this into a dan vs. chuck for who is the better man, and who is better for blair, but i just wanted some perspective. For me as a fan of dan and blair i can see why she would love dan, and as someone whose main reason for not liking chuck and blair's relationship is the fact that the scene of them professing there undying love for eachother has been repeated one or two too many times and has therefore lost its importance on me, im just really interested in knowing the reason why chuck blair fans think that blair loves chuck. but im actually looking for answers though, not just that hes hot, or because they have the internal spark that can't be explained that will never die. and ill repeat myself, this is not an argument about why blair should love chuck more than dan or vice versa, im really just curious because i personally can't come up with one reason.
I appreciate this effort at cordial discussion rather than the angry and shrill characterizations and caricatures that often pepper inter-ship discussions (or one is inclined to say, more appropriately, polemics). I hope it remains in this spirit and does not devolve into what you fear it may devolve into.
Of course no one can claim to speak for all Chair fans, only for themselves. Moreover, I am certainly aware that other fans of the show, who may be as avid viewers as I am may have different interpretations of many of the events as compared to me. That is not necessarily a problem. I believe that this variance of possible perspectives and their epistemic relativity is a correct observation of Postmodernism. So with such caveats and disclaimers in place, as one of those who were apparently addressed by this question, allow me to take a stab at it:
So if I understand you properly, you are not asking us for evidence to show that Blair does indeed love Chuck, or for any reasons to believe that Chuck may be better than Dan etc. Instead you are asking what Chair fans believe is Blair’s rationale for loving Chuck.
If that (possibly mistaken) reading of your question is correct, then it leads to some interesting questions: To what extent is loving someone a rational decision? Is the rationality of a loving relationship something that comes prior to it, or is it just a post-facto justification by parties who are already in love?
Personally, I am of the opinion that the cognition of love is still not too well understood. At some level, purely physiological and chemical processes certainly play a role in deciding for it. These processes can be quite blind and mechanical. In common parlance we refer to something like this as ‘finding someone hot’. It is, furthermore undeniable that whatever the cumulative nature of the processes that result in the phenomenological experience of ‘love’ (which itself may well be an emergent property greater than the sum of its parts), physical attraction does have a role to play in it. So do chemicals like oxytocin, possibly pheromones etc. It is obvious that this part of the experience is difficult to articulate in terms of a rational argument because it is the result of mechanical forces that act irrespective of the norms and conditions of human society. Something like this can be described in the vernacular as an ‘overpowering lust’ etc. The writings of poets are full of lovely expressions to describe this feeling, often in metaphorical terms. Now we have many seasons of evidence supporting the fact that Blair does indeed seem to feel this kind of attachment for Chuck.
Another component of love is intimacy. It refers to the feelings of closeness that people in love have felt. Chuck and Blair have been extremely close over the seasons. They have not only cerebral knowledge of each other in terms of information, but experiential knowledge as well. Chuck’s weaknesses are better known to Blair than to anyone else, and in my opinion vice versa. They are really not afraid (and certainly weren’t when they were together either) to show each other what they seem to hide from the rest of the world. They can and have easily let their guard down with each other. They have often been able to rush to the other for support and comfort as well when the ‘slings and arrows of outrageous fortune’ have screwed them over. Obviously this happens when they are not actually at war or pretending not to be in love (although difficult situations can make such temporary and artificial barriers between them collapse).
If we follow the characterization of love given by Sternberg’s theory of love, then the third component of love is commitment. This is the only one in which rationality can play any significant role. On this one Blair seems to go back and forth. Sometimes she seems to think that she is able and willing to commit to Chuck and sometimes she thinks she can’t. She seems to have rationales for either position when she takes it. Chair fans have not normally found her rationale for not committing to Chuck unconvincing.
As you can see from the above, much of what constitutes love is not necessarily a rational decision to begin with.
I hope that helps to elucidate the thinking of at least one Chair fan on this issue (if you care). Now I’ll get off this soapbox.Posted 2/16/2012 11:27:21 PM #
I think that people will ship what they ship, no matter if it's abusive or not, if the characters are pretty or not, rich or poor, good or evil. You'll always make excuses for your ship if you're commited enough, and that's it. I remember getting hate for shipping Delena because of what Damon did to Jeremy in 2x02 I think. There are some things you can't excuse, but you pass over them and close your eyes because you love your otp. So I think it's kind of absurd to ask people why they ship what they ship. Just because for us, Dair shippers, DB are "pure and simple love", "deserve each other" etc doesn't mean these arguments work for another shippers. Some sane Chair shippers do know that Blair's better off without Chuck, but they still ship Chair. It's always going to be like that, and you can't blame them.Posted 2/16/2012 11:33:56 PM #
Oh holy fuck. She loves Chuck because of her Blair Waldorf reasons. And now because of her Blair Waldorf reasons she also loves Dan. Who knows? Maybe in 3 weeks she'll fall in love with Nate again. Whatever keeps the plot moving.Posted 2/16/2012 11:34:31 PM #
As a Chair shipper, my feelings about this topic, and the very disingenous ways that it was posed, are summed up in the following PSA:
Glad to see that some Dair fans agree. We could start interrogating YOU about why Blair loves Dan (and I insist people give me this argument WITHOUT MENTIONING CHUCK, lol), but we usually don't. We like to picspam, write and read fic, and then complain when our canon anchoring OTP gets no screen time by Twitter trending. I'm just not all that interested in why people ship Dair, so the endless fascination with why Chair still has many, many fans is kind of odd to me.Posted 2/16/2012 11:42:25 PM #
Maybe in 3 weeks she'll fall in love with Nate again.Right now, I'd really support that.Posted 2/17/2012 4:48:26 AM #
The original question posed to both fandoms will never have a sufficient answer. You would like to think that there's some rhyme or reason when choosing to be in love, but in some cases the evidence isn't always supported with logic and rationale. Perhaps this is what the writers are trying to distinguish between Blair's love of Chuck and Blair's potential love for Dan. One love is is difficult to explain while the other is simple I'm not suggesting one love is better than the other. Chair fans have said this themselves about the love between Blair and Chuck that it is indeed difficult to explain, and I'm sure they can't explain Blair's love for Dan, so they'll argue the point that it's simple. What I mean by simple, or difficult is how it's portrayed on screen and how the writers wish to convey the characters feelings, with Dair they seem to illustrate the facts more. With Chair there's always an aura surrounding them.Posted 2/17/2012 11:18:28 AM #
Because we love Ed Westwick's whisper so much that if we're not stubbornly rooting for Chair, Ed screentime will be reduced to 0.4 minute per episode.Posted 2/19/2012 3:59:51 AM #