Okay what happened?
Literary Damon has banged almost every chic in TVD besides Bonnie. Caroline, Elena, Rose, Isobel, Becky, Andy, and had quite a scene with Sage. Heck, he even banged that scary Mary Texas dead vampire.Posted 11/30/2012 11:57:05 AM #
First off, to state that it's rape to have sex with someone drunk is stupid. Sure her/him might feel exploited afterwards, but it's certainly not rape. 2nd it's a hugely falacious exampel. He had complete lack of(and as i understand it, it's one of Caroline's conclusions, not a fact yet?) her possible sire bond. All he knows is that she broke up with his brother because she has feelings for him. Damon didn't rob her of her freedom. He didn't sit with her at a bar and got her a drink with GHB mixed in.
If you see a drunk or passed out girl you know she is drunk or out. You are exploiting her in full awareness of your actions. Also, I can't quite imagine that Damon ordered Elena to have sex with him. Which is how the sire bond works. They obey the will and command of the one they are sired to.
You are way to liberal with the word "rape".
The weird thing here is more the fact that he sex with Elena on the same day(or whatever) that she broke up with Stefan.Posted 11/30/2012 12:01:30 PM #
First off, to state that it's rape to have sex with someone drunk is stupid. Sure her/him might feel exploited afterwards, but it's certainly not rape.
Depends on how drunk the person is. If tht person is drunk to a level that she can't say no, yes its rape, just like that person being drugged would be rape.
He had complete lack of(and as i understand it, it's one of Caroline's conclusions, not a fact yet?) her possible sire bond.
It all simply boils down to this:
- He had a chance and a will to refuse sex.
- She did not have her own will to refuse it.
So yes, its rape. Its no different than someone drugging a girl till she can't spell her name and throwing her half-naked into your room.
Damon didn't rob her of her freedom.
He did. he just does not know that, supposedly.
. Also, I can't quite imagine that Damon ordered Elena to have sex with him. Which is how the sire bond works. They obey the will and command of the one they are sired to.
as shown in previous season with Tyler, its not just that. The sire bond means that she would care for him and feel the need to defend him and obey him. Its not just about refusing orders. Its also about "OH MA GAWSH, HE/SHE IS BEST PERSON EVER" obsession.Posted 11/30/2012 12:07:55 PM #
@Kitanishi, that's a good explanation of the sire bond. It's not all about orders, it's like hero-worshipping, having the involuntary desire to please your sire. Now the big question is, how much of Elena's own feelings were in the sex and how much of the feelings induced by the sire bond were in it?Posted 11/30/2012 12:18:39 PM #
It is very different than throwing a drugged girl into a room. You know she is drunk. Knowledge and intent is everything here. If she had been acting like Buffy did in that episode where her and Spike are spelled to fall in love, i suppose one could claim rape(assuming Damon is not spelled ofcause). If that happend, one would lift an eyebrow and be like "WTF is wrong with her?". I assume Elena acted naturally and i don't think anyone thought of this sire thing till the writers pulled it out of their asses.
It's true that one care for the person to whom he/she is sired. But they don't go out of their way to please them. At least it have never been depicted that way with Tyler or anyone else. Tyler is the only closeup sire bond that has beenm described in the show. The others it has been "I ordered my hybrids*cough* to kill you if shit goes down". He hasen't held Klaus' dick when he had to take a piss.
If this sire thing is true, Elena's mind has probably been manipulated a bit, but it is still in no way rape, and Damon certainly did NOT rape her.Posted 11/30/2012 12:19:17 PM #
Im new here but I just wanted to give my opinion on the rape thing. In the promo for the next episode Stefan says to Damon: "You knew she was sired. But you still took advantage of that." And then they show Damon who doesnt respond but just looks down. Which means that he admits of taking advantage of her. Of course we havent still seen the whole exchange but for me that's very very CHEAP from the writers. This show had so much potential and crappy writers ruin it every single time. And you seriously lost me as a viewer after yesterday's episode.Posted 11/30/2012 12:22:03 PM #
Why am I warming up to Klaroline, they're sooo cutte lulPosted 11/30/2012 12:23:30 PM #
@Lisa, hie dear, welcome to the forum ;). Ok, what? So this means Damon knew or suspected that Elena was sired and went ahead to have sex with her?Posted 11/30/2012 12:26:08 PM #
@Glenna, pff, Klaus was on his best behavoiur hey...how he managed to make her laugh...awww...mmm, yeah, asi me gusta!
@Heather, Oh I don't know or care anymore really....honestly this episode would have been unbearable if it weren't for Jomo and Candice, srsly they were the best....oh and I don;t try to understand the logic of this show anymore because they clearly don't give two fucks about it..I have Revenge for that!
I am just so pissed ELena made Stefan move out of the house...LOl, dumb bitch, how did she exactly think that sleeping in the house of your ex with his brother for whom you have the hots for is less akward than sleeping in the house where you bro wants to kill you? Hope she didn;t expect a housewarming gift..oh wait she got one...
Srsly, Caroline was the best this episode - great dress, great scenes with Klaus and great friend...did you see how pissed Elena was when someone finally told her they OMG did not like her the fucked up way she is???? Haha, I could not stop loling at that.
P.S. Elena's hair at the cotilion was fugly and the red dress they chose for April - very pleasing fat dress!Posted 11/30/2012 12:34:55 PM #
I dont know how people got to rape..if I recall Elena almost ripped his clothes off and practically ate his face off..where's the rape?Posted 11/30/2012 12:38:30 PM #