OMG Plec is so full of it.
Typical Plec "foot in mouth" moment. She has atleast one of these a month.Posted 8/18/2012 2:57:13 PM #
Sure tweens eat that s**t up, but when you're reach my age(19) and really start to think independantly, those kind of ideologies are left behind,
But you see, you ARE in a minority already because of that. Because guess what? Majority of the herd does NOT start to think independently, hell the educational system in both europe and usa is just now starting to adapt into MAKING people think for themselves versus MAKING people think like the teachers. majority of people who have grown up and are growing up are in serious need of acceptance and "fitting in" thus indulging into those things. So teens indulge into that stuff even before they start to even wish to become individuals.
And enduring sexism or any sort of abuse during adolescence is incredibly traumatising for the victim.
The reason the issue is still a problem is not because of the songs, its because of how old folk raise their kids(they're definitely not listening to Taylor Swift), especially in small towns
Something tells me "Chris Brown could rape me and beat me anyday" comments do NOT come from the old folk but from the teenager generation that grows up in such a social climate
The "old folk" indulge in a lot of biggotry but a bigger danger IS the surroundings - teenagers are far more likely to adapt to their surroundings than to their parental figures.
And yes sadly your described social environment IS a minority. We are living in the world where people get assaulted in their homes and put into coma for their sexual orientation in the middle of the day in usa.
We live in the world where a famous comedian and a writer and creator of some of hit shows on tv right now makes back-handed jokes about rape and when a woman in the audience disagrees with him URGES the audience to rape her. Then he goes onto Daily Show, tells a sob story and everyone goes "you poor man you, attacked by those dirty feminsits!" all over the world.
We live in the world where a woman (or a man) can be BEATEN TO DEATH int he middle of a day because the surrounding people did NOT like how he/she dresses and thought its "slutty" and "he/she" asked for it.
We live in the day where parents duct-tape their children's mouths just because they supported gender eqality.
We live in the world where Taylor Swift sings about such things and idolizes them and Julie Plec makes back-handed jokes and apologises rape attempts and abusive relationships in and out of show.
That's the world we live in.
Off topic: I too have struggled with how women are portrayed in Glee, but than I figured it's a satire and it's supposed to poke fun at these stereotypes, besides if you're gonna label Glee sexist, atleast the sexist swing swings both ways: 80% of males in Glee are portrayed as dumb and dumberer and only 1 of the males in the graduating class went to college(with 1 other still planning too).
not just woman. gay people, transsexuals, etc. let's not forget "token race characters" that contain EVERY possible stereotype of their race. I am not sure on if writers themselves realize on just how offensive and opposite to equality of everyone their show is.
Glee currently reminds me of those 80's shows or movies where you had a "snarky black guy" with an afro who would go around stealing stuff or talking in "gangsta ways" that no one in real world even talks like and entire gay population of the world was represented by one song about YMCA video from Village People
If you set up a goal of doing justice to all and everyone, at least have a competency to do it right.
Offensive stereotypes are no better than sexism, because a big part of sexism IS abotu offensive stereotypes.
That Lydia girl however was all over my dash getting praised for being kick ass in some episode or something weeks back, so it's kind of ironic.
You muist have missed the hate she got for being a victim. Let's make it clear: fandom wanted her to die because some asshole villain hurt her. Just thinka bout that idea for a second.
With the anon(s) defending Elena I figured they had to be some kind of die hard twilight attics who think the female being kidnapped and danger prone all the time is cool.
But that IS the main audience of Taylor Swift. S.Meyer is more extreme and more mormon-ish in that whole thing, but the implications are the same. "proper girl" "good girl", "rightful girl", "correctly dressed girl" and all that stuff. twilight just does not have from what I know a "target enemy female" to slut shame, but implications are the same.
It's funny you call her sexist because I would call her feminist in some ways depending on the songs and stuff she says, since she has to sing about everything guy who dumps her and in all of her break-up songs or videos the girl is always the victim of lying, cheating, being mistreated.
What she is not: a misogynist(so far).
But she is certainly sexist. Just beacuse you advocate ONE group ONE stereotype of your gender, does not mean that you are suddenly not sexist. You are still resorting to gender-roles. You are still projecting stereotypes upon both genders, you are still protraying relationship as OWNERSHIP. You are still policying someone's behavior and defining what you think is RIGHT behavior and dress code. And that is generally sexism.Posted 8/18/2012 3:32:40 PM #
Because people who grow up with such material, ACT like that material.
Well this is just not true. . . I listened to Eminem a lot in my teens(still a bit). Today i don't think of abandoning wife and kids to treat my own carrier or gouging out peoples or my own eyes, etc. etc. Did parents "banish" his music to protect their kids from the message? No. They "banished" it because of cursewords(just to strike that out).
It's a very slight minority who actually act on these things. People grow their own brains when they hit 16 and is no longer really influenced by this manipulation(if it's there). Maybe age 12-14&15 would act on such a song, but chances are they can't even comprehend a "might-be" message that women are belongings. . .Posted 8/18/2012 4:26:10 PM #
Well sure everyone has their own mind and can interpret things their own way,but that doesn't change the fact the music,TV etc are supposed to be reflections of our society, they're supposed to give a message.yes even stuff only meant for entertainment. and yes Taylor has become known for the soothsaying in her music and for perpetuating this idea that all women must be virginial,pure and modest .Posted 8/18/2012 5:00:20 PM #
I don't get how she's sexist.
Flora, remember you belong with me? "She wears slutty outfits, i wear pure stuff, she's cheer captain and i'm not a slut like her so date me instead."Posted 8/19/2012 10:43:55 AM #
^which pretty much encompases every song she ever released and one could write a few page long exploration of sexist overtones in her songs but I can't be bothered to do that anyway and a lot of people already did that.
Sexism, thy name is Taylor Swift.Posted 8/19/2012 11:19:15 AM #
i don't think the teens of this century have grown an own mind yet. remember i got called a "bitch on her period" because on facebook there were pictures going around with girls ALMOST showing their boobs and some girl in my school said "those pictures will get them raped" and i replied that rapists will get them raped, not the pictures.
as much as i love my mother, she once told me not to overreact because my best friend's boyfriend forced her to sleep with her because "it's not a big deal" and that my friend "wanted it either way, she was just too shy to say it".
if i say anything against sexism, i get rolled eyes from EVERYONE.Posted 8/19/2012 11:21:54 AM #
Sexism, thy name is Taylor Swift.
By this you mean that TS is the most sexist person in the world?Posted 8/19/2012 5:36:09 PM #
"She wears slutty outfits, i wear pure stuff, she's cheer captain and i'm not a slut like her so date me instead."
Why is it sexism to think that someone is a slut, judged by her outfits? I honestly can't see it. Is it the "pure" part of the sentence? If she is catholic, that makes sense. . . Calling someone a slut is basically a more brutal way of calling one shallow, refering to the many overnight partners the person has. . .Posted 8/19/2012 5:54:02 PM #
Well it is sexism when the song implys this girl is less of a person because of it,that a womans worth equals how pure she is.It is when she doesn't hold the boys in her songs up to the same standard. Taylor swift's music just is problematic when you stop and think about it.Posted 8/20/2012 2:21:31 AM #