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Wasn't buffy brought back from the dead in season 6 ?
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Derena1045

LExi's death. Yeas. That was one of the most memorable moments of this show for me and still painful. COmpared to over-dramatic jenna/rose/anna/etc deaths, it was sudden, final and real. I am frankly still a bit pissed she is gone.

Her and John's deaths are pretty much the only deaths to really move me in tvd.

I'm pissed too, Lexi had SO much potential to be amazing - and I fell in love with her really quickly. I still think her death was really unnecessary.

As for John..I actually hated him for a really long time (because he killed Anna), and it wasn't until his death that I actually fully got over that. That's how moving it was - it was SO heartbreaking, even though he was a character that I hated for nearly the entire time he was alive

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@Bella *

And it was major plotpoint as well as her character development moment. In BTVS Death is FINAL, impossible to undo. buffy's return was something huge and important in the show, something that only happens once in the whole world and something that set up a very dark plotlines.

 

@derena1045

Always liked john. he was that snarky, gray-morality guy with good intentions and bad means. He was played by awesome actor (who is adept at playing likeable villainous roles) so that was also a plus.

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Derena1045

Anna was one of my favorite characters, and Anna/Jeremy were one of my favorite couples, so I was really pissed about him ruining that for me. haha. But...I did like him at the end. His death was really moving.

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Well in a way death is final in tvd too, elena only came back because john gave his life for her. And then jeremy... Well i guess i'll give you that one :) because i didn't like it that bonnie could just bring him back to life. Only thing i liked about that is that we got vicki and anna back for a while :)
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@Bella *

Oh very final...

 

unless you are original. or klaus. or have anti-death ring. or have vampire blood in system. or get fed the blood. or get healed by witch resuscitation spell or have elixir. or do life-trading. or cry your lungs out to dead witches. or fake you r death... or barely barely survive obscene and horrible wounds that should have killed you. or get whatever deus-ex-machina spell witches will get by writers.

 

Lets make this clear;In btvs, magic(with one exception) and medicine CAN"T cross paths. You can't just "heal" wounds or return to life magicaly. dead are dead. natural wounds can only heal naturally. You can't magically avoid death or something like that.

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Halde

And to the Buffy death thing. Her getting back had huge psychological effects on Buffy. In "Once More, With Feeling"(I love that episode), it gets out that she was torn out and expelled from heaven. So her getting back ultimatly is a "bad" thing. She was finally at peace, and then she comes back to the real world were just being, sitting, laying, and everything is difficuly and tough. There have been no consequences in TVD, untill Jeremy now can see/talk/communicate with the dead(which might not even be a bad thing, we don't know).

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Halde

Lets make this clear;In btvs, magic(with one exception) and medicine CAN"T cross paths. You can't just "heal" wounds or return to life magicaly. dead are dead. natural wounds can only heal naturally. You can't magically avoid death or something like that.

To this; Buffy and most supernatural creates have greatly enchanced healing and regeneration abilitys. So yes a fatal wound(such as a dagger in the gut) will still kill, but for example getting your back smashed into the sharp edge of a gravestone dosen't do much. It ussually have to be fleshwounds, magic wounds or very very hard punches(such as Glorie's). So yes, they can't be heal from a wound that would be fatal to human, but most damage is taken lightly and is greatly hasten in recovery.
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Halde

In TVD they cutted the fight. It's kill or be killed(instantly) and then get revived. More or less. It is rare to see some punches being packed in battle. Opponents ussualy dies right away, whereas in Buffy the fighting scenes is lasting and simply awesome.

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 the point is that even vamps DO NOT have the almost-instant healing, tvd vamps seem to have.

 Buffy might survive a fall from a two floor tall building or come out from a fist-fight with a god with just only a cracked rib or punctured lung and etc, but everyone is pretty much human in how wounds affect you. But it will take hours, days, weeks, months, years.

If she would get her hand severed or eyes torn out, she would be able to do NOTHING about it. Some magical beings might have clauses in how they die, but once you die, you die and no magical gimicky thing will heal or resurrect you. Fin. End. The ENDING. 

 Magic is not some all-access out of everything. Its not a healing tool. Magic and Medicine are two things that have NEVER crossed. They can't cross. Magic is not a very positive thing with no penalties. And EVERYTHING possible comes with a price. Magic is a force of nature, a temptation, a whirlwind that catches you once you open the door to let it in.

 

And then you have the fact that LIFE ITSELF is a very cruel thing. You won't have happy coincidences like in TVD where this noble vampire just happens to ally with you against his enemy just because he is noble so noble, you find magical item to avoid death or your dead ancestors grant your bf life "just this once!",  adding a nifty superpower as "coincidence".  Life in buffyverse is that house of cards you built entire summer, only to have that random gust of wind blow it all over the floor.

Viewers learn the hard way that there are NO MIRACLES, no higher good power and whatever one calls destiny is a sick, twisted, incomprehensible force of nature.

Your aspirations? Your willpower? Your wishes? Your dreams? Your morality? They mean nothing in front of life you live, life that crushes you mercilessly.

Taking a life? loosing a life? making a decision? being wrong? being right? you have to deal with that. you have to live with that for whatever is left of your messy broken life.

There's just this one lonely cruel world, so real and so frightening, so final and complex...and infinity of hells clashing into it.

As buffy puts it "life is just a show and everyone plays their part". AS Buffy sarcastically and cynnically puts it " there's hope, everyday's a gift and wishes can come true". But life is not a show. Hope is illusion. Everyday is hell and wishes? fools gold. you only have what you earn. you only gain what you sacriffice.

TVD's world so far is a fairytale of happy endings. Its a disneyland compared to buffyverse. 

Let's just say this: if tvd story and characters existed in buffyverse, 85% of those characters would be dead and whats left - insane.

 

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