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anuflas - thanks for the comment! Don't worry, you aren't the only one. I like Alex too, so I am apparently shallow and I like to be abused by men. I can fully admit that Alex can be a HUGE jerk and there are many times that his behavior frustrates me. (I think that the word abusive is a pretty strong word and if it applies to Alex it applies to just about every character on the show). But as a character he is written well enough (and acted wonderfully) so that even when I don't like what he does, I can understand it. For god sake its a tv show...in real life I would run far from just about every single messed up guy on this show. But as far as entertainment goes, I find Alex to be extremely interesting and entertaining. I don't love Izzie, but I like what she brings out in Alex and especially I like what he brings out in her. Although I was a big fan of the Gizzie friendship, I found that both Denny and George brought out a side of Izzie that I really didn't like (ie - hysterical and selfish). Since they are fictional characters, I find it hard to argue who is better for Izzie or who loves her more since they are products of a writers imagination. I just think that her behavior with Alex is alot more likable and entertaining to me than it was when she was with George or Denny. I am a fan of George too, but all of the insistence of him being so nice and sweet and practically without flaws and of the Gizzie love being PURE is just not what I saw on my screen. But hey, to each his own.

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As always, I feel the need to defend Alex a little bit LOL! When he pushed Izzie into to say goodbye to George and then left the room, I could have sworn that he was wiping away a tear. Did anyone else see it? As far as what he said to Izzie outside of the trailer, yes it was pretty rotten and there really was no reason for him to be that mean about it. However, Izzie basically asked him to have sex with her so that she could be distracted from feeling sad about George, her bff but also her ex-lover. Since she couldn't drink or work. Thats pretty harsh too. Plus, she must have known how difficult her cancer and hallucinations have been on Alex (as well as her) and she told him that she was WISHING for another tumor so that she could talk to George. C'mon. Although I think that part of that scene was Izzie saying something like that to really get Alex's attention. And she sure did. Yes, Alex was a jerk in that scene, but Izzie could have been a LOT more sensitive as well. She has a habit of being completely unaware of Alex's feelings, and thats what I saw here. She was dealing with the death of her best friend, but Alex was dealing with his wife dying in his arms and that didn't seem to occur to her. Again, not to say that Alex should have been that mean, but still. I am glad though, that they finally communicated about his feelings at the end.

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As long as it is done realistically and without unnecessary couple angst, I have no problem with a few Meredith and Izzie-less episodes. In fact, this presents a wonderful opportunity to explore some of those characters that we still don't know that much about after 5 years (Derek, Alex, Mark). I would love to see Mark and Derek FINALLY get to their issues. More scenes between Alex and Cristina, Bailey and Derek, Callie and Cristina, Owen and Alex, etc. If they do use this time to focus on relationships outside of the normal couples and give us some backstory on characters that need it (what is Alex's relationship w/his mother like now?, Are Mark's parents still alive?), I will be THRILLED. But I fear that once again, Alex and Derek will be the supporting player to someone else's story and this time it will be some new person that I couldn't begin to care about.

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Although I am a complete Alex apologist, I absolutely agree that he has been horrible to Izzie in the past and I can completely understand why people wouldn't like them together as a couple.  (I just really only like Izzie when she is single or with Alex).  Believe it or not, I actually like their passion and the fact that they can be so tender with each other one minute and so cruel the next and that they can really get under one another's skin.  I wouldn't be able to tolerate this in real life, but I find that it makes for good entertainment LOL!

I guess for me the difference is that even when Alex is acting like a jerk, I can understand WHY he is doing it even if I don't like it.  With Izzie, sometimes I just don't understand her reasoning and therefore it makes it hard for me to empathize with her.  I don't know if that is the writing, the acting or just me. 

Also when Alex is a jerk to Izzie, we the audience can usually tell that his feelings for her are still there and he is being immature or just defensive because he cares.  When Izzie is mean to Alex it just seems to be because she doesn't give his feelings any thought at all.  Now, I guess you could argue that its worse to hurt someone knowing that you are doing it like Alex does, then to hurt someone because you are completely oblivious to what you are doing, but it usually just comes off as self-centered to me.

Anyway, my enthusiasm for this couple really, really dwindled during everything with Denny last year, and while I do think that Izzie loves Alex, I am always going to be sensitive to the relationship being one-sided.  Shonda can justify Denny 2.0 all she wants and she can say that A/I are meant to be, but the ends don't justify the means for me.  I wasn't happy with their story AT ALL last season and have been accused of whining about my couple because now they are married, but who cares how a couple's storyline ends up if you can't stomach what it takes to get there.  And it looks like they are doing it to them again this season so I may be rooting for Alex to hook up with one of the Mercy West people soon enough (maybe the hot guy since he doesn't seem to have much luck with the women in his life LOL!)

 

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*sigh* I just read the description for episode 6.8 and apparently Izzie has left Alex with all of her medical bills.  I don't love Izzie, but I don't want to despise her...what are they doing to her??!!

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Hi Greysaddiction!  We aren't likely to change each other's minds about Izzie, so I won't go on about that, but I just want to clarify my pov a little.  I am in 100% agreement that if ever a person deserved a pass on their behavior and was deserving of a little selfish time, it is Izzie at this moment in her life.  She is a cancer survivor, just lost her best friend, just got fired, is dealing with a rushed marriage, etc.  I get that completely. 

However, after having witnessed Izzie's actions starting with the Denny and the LVAD, her treatment of Callie before and after she was with George, her judgemental attitude toward her friends over the years, Denny 2.0 and her pattern of being to the support that Alex has given her over the years, I just don't have much sympathy and understanding left to give her.

Yes, other characters have acted selfishly and cruelly and still do.  The difference is that they usually understand that their actions have caused pain, even if they never acknowledge it to anyone but themselves.  I just don't remember many times where Izzie has understood that her actions have caused other people pain, and then been SINCERELY remorseful about it.  In my opinion, she has almost always been written as a victim, who is just too caring and a dreamer who just wants to be loved. Her actions always seemed to be justified by the writers and/or the other characters.  So unfortunately, at this time, my well of "poor Izzie" has just about run dry, even though I think now is the time that she actually deserves it.  I think that of all the characters, Izzie has been written the most poorly and inconsistently so my anger/disappointment is as much from the writing as it is the character, if that makes sense.

On top of all of this, Alex is my favorite character.  Yes, he is VERY flawed and can be a complete ass.  But over the past 2-3 seasons, he has really grown and has stepped up to be a good man who has supported and loved Izzie every step of the way, even though he does sometimes fall back into anger and jerkdom.  After last year's Denny storyline and watching Alex support, defend and fight for Izzie through her season long difficult time, even when it was difficult for him, to have her then essentially abandon him with a note after he told her that he wasn't sure he would survive losing her, because things have gotten too difficult for her is just too much for me, no matter how justified her behavior.  I like Alex and Izzie together because Izzie makes Alex happy and because Alex seems to temper what are, IMO, Izzie's worst traits.  But Alex hasn't been happy lately and I fear that Izzie's actions are going to be justfied again and will somehow be made to be Alex's fault (because that is what usually happens).  In which case, my hopes for this relationship ever being what I had hoped it could be and what it has the potential to be will be gone.  Which really sucks because with George gone and Addison gone and the newbies and Lexie getting front and center, Alex and A/I are really the only thing I'm watching for.

 

 

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