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I don't know what show some of you are watching but I find it amusing that several people are referring to it as ZCIS! Really?! Tony & Ziva have been featured equally in episodes this year. Since most of their scenes are together, I'd assume that that would be the case. Now, I don't know about you but Phoenix was pretty much a Ducky episode. Then there was Namesake which really focused on Gibbs & his father. Devil's Trifecta had a lot of McGee, Diane and Fornell. And Shell Shock parts 1/2 was about Gibbs & Westcott. So, yea, how that translates to the show being all about Ziva is beyond me. Mark Harmon,Cote de Pablo & Michael Weatherly are the 3 leads of the show & everyone else is considered supporting cast so I think all the episodes are well balanced with the screen time the actors are given. And once again if you hate someone that much, stop watching.
While neither Vance or ZIva are responsible for the shooting, they both broke the rules, and with disastrous results. My guess is that Vance will feel responsible and take some blame. Ziva will be portrayed as the grieving angry victim and not be reprimanded in any way. This is the way most of her mistakes have been handled for several seasons now.
I'm wondering if the only reason we finally got to see Tony's apartment, after all these years, and since Tony is clearly not a favorite of tptb,, was because the writers wanted to be able to have a preview showing Ziva in Tony's bed. The show is all about the traumas and dramas of Ziva now - ZCIS. It is no longer about a group of talented quirky crime solving agents who are all important.
A new promo shows Ziva clearly spent the night at Tony's apartment, but I'm sure she slept in that tiny single bed by herself (yes, she is in the single bed, same bedding- so Tony didn't burn it after all), and poor Tony got stuck on the sofa again.
As with many scenes, we are left to fill in the blanks. I am guessing after they gave Ziva her privacy with her father, his body was removed and I would assume taken to NCIS. Maybe Gibbs, Tony, Ziva and Tim went with him there, then Tony took her back to stay at his place and then he joined Gibbs at the hospital. McGee must have stayed behind,maybe even at the house,because he clearly hadn't been there the whole time with Gibbs and Tony. I still don't get the two hour delay in Abby and Ducky finding out about Mrs. Vance, unless they didn't bother to call him about Eli (he can wait I guess, they know the cause of death as well as the killer's) To me it's a continuity error that's bugging me.
I would think Ziva would be in danger to travel alone to Israel with her father's body, especially since he was on the outs with Mossad, AND it could be it was a Mossad hit, but perhaps not sanctioned. I don't see how they can have anyone else responsible because of the political repercussions Tim and Tony discussed. I can't believe Gibbs and Tony would let Ziva on that plane by herself, but weirder things have happened. From the photos, she certainly didn't get on a plane that night with her father's body.
cont. As the NCIS Director, Vance should have known better and taken steps to protect Eli while in the country and especially in his home. However, really.......NO ONE IS AT FAULT, except those who took the shots and/or ordered the hit.
@gatorgal.....Thanks for the info on the photos. Got to see a couple of different ones then on the other site.
I also agree in regard to Ziva NOT being at fault. She did think it was odd that the man in the photo had the same kind of hat her father was wearing; however, it is a common hat as Abby had said. Eli had told her that he had come in that day after (so couldn't have killed him) and Ziva had no real proof, but did decide to find out if he had lied and was somehow involved. When she did she cut him out of her life. She only went to dinner because they were at Vance's house and her father asked for one more dinner together, but when he gave his speech, she couldn't take it any longer and called Gibbs. Vance IS at more fault here in my eyes. He invited a man he KNEW had a target on his forehead into his home. He did not order Gibbs or anyone who knew he was there as protection for Eli or even himself while they where in his home. As the Director of NCIS, he should have kn
Also, in the scenes for next week, the last scene showing Ziva getting off multiple shots is the same scene in "Shabbat Shalom" when se shot at the shooter as he was driving toward her.
Regarding Ziva withholding info about her father being the killer of the journalist, and therefore an accessory to the death of Jackie Vance, it was clear she suspected but needed to find out from her father before she turned him in. His admission in the car and sitting at the table could have taken less that 20 min. After meeting with Eli and Arash, Vance knew both of their governments would kill them if they knew they were in the US meeting, and yet Vance felt comfortable to invite Eli to his home to share Shabbat. He could have easily let Eli and Ziva do this on their own, but as he told Jackie, he and Eli needed to have a private conversation. So In my mind, Vance is as much to blame by having Eli at his home.
Ziva is not there as Eli's body would of been flown back to Isreal for a proper Jewish burial and I am sure Ziva will be escorting the body back. Will she get mad at the now leaders of Mosad as they did not protect him and let him out of the country unescorted by security. Interesting plot this season. I really enjoyed Jackie Vance, she was a kick in the pants.
I think that Shiva will be mostly about the team rallying around Ziva and the Vance family grief. Ziva will be written as a combination of victim and vengeful super ninja. Tony and Gibbs will be in the supporting roles. I still wonder if anyone will mention that Ziva with held information that might have changed the outcome for Eli and Jackie had she been forthcoming.
@guest Thank for the info on where to see the pictures. On your theory about not having left Ziva alone, they should have made some mention of it so viewers would know. What was shown was that they were at the hospital for some time and no one was Ziva. It also looks as if no one went to pay their respect to Eli, not that he deserved it, but someone should be there to support Ziva. Of course, this is just guess work at this time, we will see how it all turns out next week.
I know that NCIS is making a political statement, but what is it? If indeed the CIA is responsible, WWHHYY? I have to understand Armageddon better to know why. Regardless, a great piece of writing!!!! No wonder NCIS is so popular!!!!
You can find the photos on a website called Ladies of NCIS. It definitely shows everyone but Ziva at Jackie's funeral. I think that they left Ziva in the house alone so that she could have her private grief time with her father and say her goodbyes. I think they probably waited outside for the coroner and then Ziva went with her father's body while the rest of the team went to the hospital to check on Vance. I don't think anyone was trying to leave Ziva alone and be disrespectful. The pictures also show that Ziva will be staying at Tony's apartment.
@gatorgal, where did you see the pictures?
Ziva better get some love and concern from the team in this ep. or I will be fuming. It is bad enough that no one stayed with her in the state she was in after seeing her father dead, but to not have anyone with her when she says her final goodbye will not only heartbreaking but make this viewier say to heck with everyone. Vance has his children to lean on, she has no one. That is not to say that they shouldn't be there for Vance, but I want to see them there for her too.
Just saw some pics for "Shiva"- Vance family and team (didn't see Ziva) at funeral of Jackie; Vance with his children. Ziva and Gibbs at Tony's apartment! Tony and Ziva in a Synagogue (where he asks "What do you want? ANS: Revenge, since her hair is pretty messed up); Ducky and Gibbs in autopsy; and Greg Germann. According to the cast list for "Shiva", the shooter's name was Roland Ames. The character of Gavriela Adel is an Israeli informant for the CIA, so CIA gets involved, at least thru her.
Vance may be hung out to dry for not revealing that he knew Eli was in town. Ziva will probably not be held accountable for the fact that she lied to Gibbs about recognizing Eli in the photo, and then sitting down to dinner with him after learning he had murdered the photographer. Once again - I'm guessing she will be portrayed as the vengeful victim, and not be held accountable for her lies of omission. No one will mention that if she had come clean before the dinner, two deaths may have been prevented. I guess we'll see.
Maybe Jackie Vance is not dead. One plot that could come out would be Who is Vance? In watching past episodes, it shows that the "friend" Vance buried in Chicago is the real Vance. So who really is Rocky Carroll?
ok long time NCIS watcher here. I see where this might be going. yes Jackie is dead....Ziva wants revenge...and Vance showed grieving for most of the show. at the end. Ziva has the guy corner but Gibbs stops her from killing the guy, but out of no where, Vance comes . in shooting him dead. so that leave a decision with Gibbs...arrest Vance...because he should or hide it because of his own passed with going after Shannon and Kelley killer.
Seriously, not about Tony at all. He has serious personality disorders, perhaps should be dealt with in another ep. It isn't the "Michael,,,whatever" show. Cote shone, Ziva's grief at her father's death, gut-wrenching. Get over Tony, please. He'd be a great stalker, that's about it. There are other characters in the show, Tony needs to be reined in.
Anon down there is right about the writers being talented.
I mean, these are the same people who took huge, bold moves, that could end horribly for the show (like killing off two major characters in one episode) but it paid off completely. The way they do it makes it work so well.
Tony and Ziva have very good chemistry. When they first started working together, there wasn't any real feelings there, just flirting. But they've slowly developed over time.
Now, I don't think if they do get together, they'd be talking about it all the time in the show. I don't think they'd make every episode about Tiva. Gary Glasberg himself said that if they did get in a relationship, they'd put work first. So, I don't think we would have to expect what some people think: them sneaking off to the copy room to make love. Nu-uh. It's just not in their characters to do something like that.
While they would be good just with a normal partnership, I think they benefit better with their chemistry
The reason so many of us want Tony and Ziva together is because the writers have been teasing us for 8 years. It is time to let something happen! I do not feel that it will hurt the integrity of the show. These are very talented writers and they could/would do an excellent job of balancing their relationship within the context of the show. There is no way that the writers would let it be the Tony and Ziva show. Having said that, I do feel that a little Tiva romance on the show every once in awhile would be a welcome thing. Shows like Castle and Bones have been able to bring main characters together without hurting the core of the show and I believe it could be the same on NCIS.
Why do some of you want Tony and Ziva to "get together"? that really means that one of them would have to leave the show. Which one? I think the friendship they have covering each other's back would change and part of the greatness of this show is the character like and take care of each other.
I think Vance will have time off the show. He will be written off maybe till close to the end of the season perhaps season finale and I thought they deputy director was supposed to come on some time this year? This would make sense for him taking over.
Or perhaps Ziva gets her revenge killing and Vance covers it up and gets fired for it.
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