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"There is a higher power at work. But it's impossible to know everything about it. So don't ask. Don't worry about it. Just have faith, live in the present and love your neighbor. That's all that matters in the end.
I like that message. I believe that message. It fits into the show's themes of religion and redemption, of living together and dying alone. But I don't like the way the message has been delivered; or, getting to this week's episode specifically: I don't like the messenger."
Really, you like that message? Come on, now! Don't worry, be happy! That is the message of this six year journey. First, that is not a description of faith. The Bible puts it this way: "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, a conviction of things not seen" - (Hebrews 11:1). Faith has an object and, if we take a biblical perspective, an historical basis. We do not believe blindly that there is a God. We believe because God has specifically acted in human history. God led the chil
MC - first, I did see the season 4 finale that you spoke of - ("There's No Place Like Home") - and perhaps you need to go watch it again. I find no appearance, allusion, or reference to the MIB or to his murdering step-mother. The resolution to "Adam and Eve" was not unsatisfactory because I wanted them to be someone different. No, it is unsatisfactory because we were set up and the statement was made that this reveal would show that Cuse and Lindelof knew what they were doing and where they were going from the very beginning. Obviously, that has not been proven. As a matter of fact, we have the slight continuity problem of Jack, a man-of-science doctor, identifying the remains as having been buried for 40 to 50 years and the placement of the remains - (separated or side-by-side). You make the statement that "...LOST is about the current set of candidates..." well, then, let it be about those candidates that we have come to know and, amazingly, care about. It was not about a mys
@MC: I didn't say the Mother was essential to the SHOW. I said she was essential to the MYTHOLOGY. That's an important distinction. Without a doubt, she's the individual that initiated all the actual events and mysteries on the island... but, yes, she's a background player in the story of the characters. This is the debate Lost fans are now having: is the show about the characters or the island mythology?
Many are left unsatisfied with how Lost handled this informational dump and I don't blame them for that. I just hope everyone is patient enough to focus on the larger story and wait until the show is over to judge.
When the mysterious mother said I came to the island by accident, and she also explained that she is the only one on the island, and she said if there is anyone else on the island I will find them, all that made me think about the beginning of earth, being thought of as an accident or the big bang? I thought maybe the mysterious mother is a metaphor, not sure of what exactly. What confuses me also when thinking about MIB taking the form of Locke, is when Ben made sure to bring Locke's body to Eloise, and how she took care of the body in a certain way, that we know nothing about. And what's up with making Locke's body wear Christian's shoes? Does anyone remember that or am I halucinating?
@MC: I agree with a lot of your argument and with the overall point that specific answers were never the driving force behind Lost. I agree and I care more about the characters and the journey.
However, if - as you say - the "entire point" is that Lost will "never make sense," then that's just lazy, sloppy writing. There can be an ingrained message, as I tried to convey in this review, that there aren't always answers to every question, though one should at least ask certain questions and strive for enlightenment/improvement. But it's a cop out to have the show throw up its hands entirely and fall back on: It's not supposed to make sense! Don't you see?!?
In the end, this episode fell flat because it was crafted specifically as an information dump that didn't really reveal any information - it's hard to blame viewers for feeling cheated as a result.
Haha, I know you feel smart for citing "Giacchino's music," by the way -- but do you truly believe people who didn't watch the sh
Yo ,MC!Which writer are you , Damon or Carlton?:)
"Didn't Jacob kill MIB?"
MiB isn't dead. He's separated from his body.
"Being on the island magically allows you to shipwreck ships, planes or see whatever in your magic lighthouse. You get the point? Utterly a waste. Don't even bother figuring it out - because it doesn't make any logical sense. "
Which is exactly why the writers CAN'T give you every answer. If they tried, you'd complain that it was illogical. It's mysticism, and you want it to make sense. The entire point is that it never will. If you can't enjoy the show for the storytelling, the characters, and Giacchino's music, you should have stopped watching a LONG time ago.
I thought that their "mom" said she made it so they couldn't kill eachother? Didn't Jacob kill MIB?
I guess it's a good think I never watched a single episode of the West Wing, then. Jortay, the show has NEVER implied that Jacob can travel in time...only that he can leave the island. aaa, you're asking for logical answers to supernatural questions. This has always been a sci-fi show. How many people watching BSG bitched about the writers not explaining the physics of the jump drive, etc? If you demand answers about The Force, you get midiclorians. No answer will be sufficient. "Yes, they did tell us who Adam and Eve were with a very unsatisfactory answer." Unsatisfactory? Why, just because you wanted it to be something else. That's nonsense. "They are two people who prior to last night, viewers of the show never knew even existed." Really? You didn't see the season 4 finale? or Ab Aeterno? It's freakin' EPIC that it's the body of the smoke monster lying there! "But, think about this, you introduce a character in the third to the last episode who is central to the entire story
I would love to know why MiB was never given a name or how & when Jacob learned he could travel in time to touch the candidates he had chosen.Maybe figure out how he learned to speak many languages Korean being one of them or even get money to buy the modern day clothing and shoes that he was wearing when he visited these candidates.It looks as if he truely believed he could not leave the island but we know thats not the case .I would love to know where the hell the foot came from that was his home for a while & when & why the temple was built.When was the house that has apeared & dissapeared built & why & what is its signifigance.What about the cave with all the names that Mib told Sawyer Jacob had written.What about the true origin of the #'s and when Jacob became so fascinated with #'s?What is so magical about that wine & why & when was the lighthouse built?And how was Jacob able to watch Jack from the time he was a boy from that lighthouse?And as for
Are there any characters with any socially redeeming qualities on this show? Think about it, just about everyone has murdered someone in cold-blood: Sayid - multiple, Locke - Naomi, Kate - her step-father, Sawyer - Anthony Cooper, Michael - Libby and Ana Lucia, Claire - the red shirt, etc. Is there anyone worth caring for? Jack is an alcoholic. Claire is crazy. Sawyer is a self-serving conman. Kate uses her sexuality to her own benefit. Sayid is a murderer. Ben is a manipulator who committed patricide. Charlie is a drug-addict and mugger - (remember him attacking Sun). Perhaps, Hurley is the only one worth caring about. The sins of all of these characters make one almost yearn for a return of Nikki and Paulo. They were no worse. They murdered and stole - same as Kate, Sawyer, Ben, Locke, and the rest. Rose and Bernard were right - steal the dog and get out.
Unfortunately any of the answers the writers chose to highlight were really non-answers. They don't relate back to anything. Now we have "magic". When did this show become about magic and not faith vs. science. It's a copout that doesn't then have to explain anything.
Turning a wheel magically controls magic light. Drinking a magic potion magically makes you responsible for several thousand acres of real estate. Going down a magic river into a hole magically transforms you into magic smoke. Being on the island magically allows you to shipwreck ships, planes or see whatever in your magic lighthouse. You get the point? Utterly a waste. Don't even bother figuring it out - because it doesn't make any logical sense.
There is one definate answer to the question the writers have raised - who is going to watch what we write? For their next series? I'm not.
Please explain to me why if the MIB is the one who is evil incarnate, he is the one who deigns to live among men and mourns their passing. Yes, he might indeed recognize that humanity kills and mistreats its own, but the "mother" and Jacob are any different. The "mother" cold-bloodedly killed the true mother shortly after she gave birth. Then she seemingly destroyed the settlement on the island where MIB was living. Jacob has such a cavalier attitude toward humanity. They are pawns in his "black and white" game. The "mother" and Jacob are the ones who remove themselves from human life. True humanity is to be found living in community. This is salvation - atonement! Hell is not other people, as Satre wrote. Actually, hell is yourself and you alone. There is no greater punishment than solitary confinement, every prison warden knows this. Hell is to live eternity as the god you desire to be - (that is the sin of the Garden of Eden - to be like God) - and the only way that is p
Ok so this one episode wasn’t the best of the season, I think some of you are over reacting this is LOST we are talking about for 6 year We have been satisfied with what the writers have had provided now most of you are acting like last night episode was the season finale. Calm down don’t give your hope up we still have two 3 hours left and 3 hours in Lost is enough to do what they need to do.
i don't think this episode left things as unclear as you make it to be, I actually feel like it shoved it down our throats that the island is the garden of eden. The flashes to Jack, Kate, and Locke finding Adam & Eve were kind of like "DO YOU GET IT? THEY REALLY ARE ADAM & EVE. GET IT? DO YOU GET IT YET?" Another commenter made the parallel between the lightness and the tree of knowledge, and I think that's very accurate. ALSO I don't know if this is a revelation, but i think the lightness is what made the time travel happen?
The message?! The producers goal was to make a TV series that was mysterious so as to keep viewers coming back, and make the series popular. The message is "Take the money and run!". It's yet another mystery series started without much (or any) thought to how the story was going to play out. It's only doing slightly better at telling a satisfying story than The Prisoner, X-Files, and Battlestar Galactica because they left themselves 2 and a half to 3 years of the series to tell a complete story, but even then continuity has not been their strong suit. They even told us point blank in an interview that not all the mysteries will be explained, by which I take it to mean that few of the mysteries will be explained. Explanation: Big glowing ball of omnipotent energy under an island. That's it. I would have at least liked to have known how much this island would have to have traveled during all this. Couldn't have been in the Pacific all that time. What language were they speaking
Sorry, Brainstormer, Adam and Eve were not forbidden to eat of the Tree of Life in the Garden. Actually, the Bible speaks of two trees in the Garden of Eden. There was the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. It was the latter, not the former that they were forbidden to eat.
As LOST winds down to its close, the writers of the show are demonstrating more and more that they are simply making this up as they go along. Yes, they did tell us who Adam and Eve were with a very unsatisfactory answer. They are two people who prior to last night, viewers of the show never knew even existed. But, think about this, you introduce a character in the third to the last episode who is central to the entire story of the past six years? What is next? Do we meet someone next week who is the "father" of the twins and he provides us with such great truth as "...every question answered just leads to more questions..." Well, damn it, of course it does. That is the human experience - question / answer / question / answer. If we did not question and then answer those questions, we would not grow and learn and survive. As an individual with a masters degree in systematic theology, I can tell you that we are never called to a "blind faith" that does not ask questions. Even
I don't know how many religious people are out there but did anyone notice/mention the connection between the golden stream and the Bible? Specifically, Adam and Eve and the tree of life? God forbade Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of life. It wasn't that the apple could hurt them; they weren't supposed to eat from it because God told them not to. Their decision to eat it anyway was a sin and because of that sin, all men are born in sin. Did anyone else think there were similarities with "Mother" forbidding Jacob and the MIB from entering the tunnel with the light? Their decision to enter it is what released the evil, or allowed it to manifest as the smoke monster. Maybe that decision also released good into the world or into the island. Maybe there was neither good or evil before then and because of that decision, both exist now and mankind must choose one or the other.
I’ve wondered from the beginning how a show this smart could have such a large following. As it doesn’t spoon-feed everything to us or tie things up with a nice bow each week, why would the typical viewer even watch? I reasoned that perhaps they were just along for the ride, hoping eventually it would make sense to their pop TV sensibilities.
This episode proves my theory – or rather, the near universal complaint over it does. One poster wanted all questions to be answered because, of course, in the real world EVERYTHING can be explained via SCIENCE (which is god for those who don’t admit belief in one).
“Lost” was always mystical and supernatural and never about SCIENCE. But that’s okay because in life, even scientists don’t have all the answers (that’s why it’s called science).
Reference the MiB taking on the form of Yemi to lure Eko to his death/judgment.
He can manifest his soul in the form of dead people.
The MiB can still possess/take on the form of his dead body... that's how we see him with Jacob on multiple later occasions.
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