What was the island? This seems to be a big question that a lot of people are upset didn't get answered.
I understood the gist of it and that's all I needed. It would have been silly for them to try and give any more specifics then they did.
So um, on the eighth day God created the island to cover up the spot where the universal nexus of good and evil sat.
I mean seriously, some things are best left unexplained. What were you looking for on that one exactly?
I see we share most of the same thoughts.
Just a couple of things that made me doubtful, though:
1) Desmond is special. Ok. How come he was having these visions about a future in which Jack was supposedely happy (he was obvious seeing his own purgatory/waiting-for-reunion-room future. And in there, he seemed sure that he needed to reunite everybody and make them remember - or should I say REALISE they were already dead? Did he know, then, that he was also dead?
2) I understood Kate's words to Jack ("I missed you so much") just as you did: she lived on and etc. However, whose plane wrecks were those at the end of the episode? I'd say Ajira's, since Oceanic 15's were at the other island, and as we have seen before, it was impossible to fly off of the island... so, WHAT THE HECK happened to them? I guess we'll never know...
HIGHWIRE - thank you so much for your review - it helped me tremendously undertstand where in the heck the writers might have been coming from. Even though I still am unhappy with the ending, this clears things up and makes much more sense.
Yes it was a cop out, I have posted lots today about my disappointment to the point where I got quite depressed about it, but we did deserve more. At the very least an explanation of what the Island was, it was all just skipped over to jump to some unknown point in the future where they were all dead, wtf, what a rip off. Give me my ending !!!
Until today this was a great series.
I thought Eloise had the best explanation ever.
In real life she killed her son so she was happy living in the "alt" or purgatory, she got her son back even though she knew it wasn't real or wouldn't last.
She was aware of both existences all along very much like Desmond, but she wasn't ready to let go.
If the MIB got off the island, EVERYTHING would end- the real world, the "alt" or purgatory world, the heaven world, everything.
She was fighting to stay with her son for however long possible.
So it is finally over. Very disappointing. After a few seasons I started to wonder what kind of narcotics the writers were using. It all got too weird and all the flash forwards, backs, 30 yrs ago, future ENOUGH!!! We deserve to have been made fools of for having continued to watch after it all got so CRAZY! The only thing that kept me hooked was Mathew Fox (Jack Shephard). He is truly the coolest thing on that show. I put up with all of it, even the seasonÂ´s finale, just because he is so ADORABLE!!!
Yes, I liked The End.
Yes, I disliked The End.
OK-- I'm religious and spiritual and loved many of the elements in last night's finale. But I've also invested 6 years of time and passionate interest in details such as:
Detonating Jughead" ("It worked" said Juliet-- Did it? How?)
"Everyone needs a Constant"; (Did they?)
Charles Widmore's decision to buy, crash, and bury an Oceanic clone plane to throw serachers off track and keep them away from the island; (Huh?)
The fertility dilemma-- real or contrived?;
Baby Aaron: alive in LA until the Purgatory scene? Why a baby then? (So Jack could remember him that way? Jack and Kate were RAISING Aaron before they returned!)
The amazing arbitrary travel on/ off the island by the Others-- their TV monitors following people's activities (Juliet seeing her sister and children);
The choice of "candidates" by Jacob-- even to seeking them out as children and touching them at an early age to "mark" them;
The mysterious "box" that could allegedly make anything you wanted appear in it on the island;
The hatch and its numbers; (just random?)
Hurley's connection to the numbers;
Jacob and his brother and their mother: Who WERE these people and from whence came their powers?
How could Jacob grant immortality to Richard Alpert? Who gave him THAT power? Mom never mentioned it...
Whose rules did not allow Jacob & his brother to kill each other? (Mom's??)
Eloise Hawking and her crazy map and swinging pendulum and getting everybody back on the Ajira flight;
Did the island really sink or didn't it? If it did, how did it come back?
WTF happened when Ben turned the Donkey Wheel?
Kate ended up killing Smokey?
And-- we could fly out and find this island somewhere if we looked hard enough-- if it's really real?
Yes, I loved the warm, spiritual emotional ending and was happy to see that the movements toward grace and redemption happened by way of reconciliation, forgiveness, courage, trust, and gentleness. We are all flawed and move toward the light as we become more human. But PLEASE-- the writers and producers set us up with amazing puzzles and mysteries that kept us captivated for 6 years and then just "left the building." That's why I am feeling ripped off. As a storyteller, you are in some way responsible for the plot lines you create... deal with them SOMEHOW! This was NOT just a spiritual story-- if according to the producers' comments, the island was real and what happened to the characters was also real, many of us want to know HOW these events came to be. The team spent way too much time this season on the sideways episodes while completely ignoring their responsibilty to deliver us some meaningful commentary on the carrots held out to us at the end of the stick. Yes, I know it's their carrot and stick, but they pulled us in and in the end, turned the carrots into candles as if that were enough. I wanted both.
I was saddened to learn that everyone was dead. Just didn't want that. However, I was glad to see Charlie find Claire and Sayid find Shannon. Charlie and Sayid were two of my favorite characters along with Sawyer and Hurley.
I found the ending very satisfying. Basically all the events on the island were real. The plane did crash. The mysteries of the island are all very real and exist in our world, assuming Lost world is real world. Some of the characters died on the island and some escaped the island on the plane, to continue their lives off the island. But as we were told, everyone eventually dies. The sideways world made perfect sense as did the "church" reunion as these events occured outside of time and space. They were extra dimensional. This was quite interesting as it is consistent with orthodox Christian teaching - that the the transcendant realm exists outside of time and space. Basically when you die you leave this physical dimension which is limited by time and space. You don't necessarily meat up only with those that have died before but also potentially with those that hadn't even been born yet when you lived. Its a realm that is truly beyond our comprehension as we live in this dimension in which time progresses in a linear fashion. But the message of Lost seems to be very Christian in that what matters most in life is our relationships- how we treat others, as opposed to how much knowledge we can gain about the physical universe or how much we can achieve professionally or how money we can make during our finite time. The message seems to be that we can never truly know all the answers,(hence the de-empahsis on providing answers to all the mysteries of the island) at least not in this life, and any power or wealth we accumulate is temporal as ultimately we die and it stays behind, but what we can all achieve is love and kindness vis a vis our fellow man.
I don't mean to get all meaning of life profound but that seemed to be what was coming through. I can't help but think though that the writers gave up on explaining the mysteries of the island and decided instead to finish up with a final season that focused on the importance of human relationships, love and kindness, redemption, etc as the key to moving into the light (heaven?).
So it seems that when the characters all eventually died, that they turned up in this sideways world that they created, which again is in a dimension where there is no, "now" or conventional sense of time. In this world, they play out how they would have liked their lives to have been, if they had not crashed on the island, but in reality, because of the profound effect that life on the island had on their mortal lives, they are seeking to reconnect with those that matter to them, based on the events involving the island experience. We also have to assume that spiritual forces (angels maybe) are at play in the sideways world, directing the characters, helping them create their sideways world and ultimately, guiding this purification process, that eventually prepares them to enter the afterlife light (heaven?) together. Very profound. In fact I applaud the Lost writers for even tackling such an after life dimension. I have always figured such dimensions as exist outside of time and space are completely beyond our comphrehension. Even Christianity only allows that the transcendental realm is real but that we are not able to understand it. But if we are to experience heaven, or the light we saw at the end of Lost, we need only lead "good lives." Do unto others etc. I shouldn't say "only" though. As the Lost characters demonstrated, life if about free will, and the business of making the right and moral decisions which ultimately bring one to the light can be a real process.
But enough of the characters and their journey to the light. Back to the mysteries of the island which is what has dominated the show for 5 seasons and parts of this last season.
I think we are meant to believe that the island is real. It is governed by supernatural forces that we don't understand. The light is some source for good or truth that must be guarded so that the world doesn't fall under the domain of darkness or evil. Jacob although human had been imbued with supernatural powers and insights as a result of the light. His mother passed them on and he later passed them on to Jack and then they went to Hurley.It doesn't matter that there wasn't a chant. Jack had the power to pass the power on in his own mundane way. What is confusing is the nature of the light. It seemed to have corrupted Jacobs mother. It certainly corrupted MIB when he was exposed to it. But again, Mother, MIB, and Jacob are all humans on a life journey who came in contact with the light and were all impacted in differnt ways. MIB, most profoundly it seems, as he became Smoke Monster, bent on getting off the island and unleashing horrible evil upon the world. Jacob knew he had to keep MIB on the island and he also knew he woulde eventually need a successor. Jack was fortunate enough to be the one that managed to kill MIB and end that threat to the world.
Any of us might find ourselves stranded on that island and have to confront such supernatural dilemmas, but maybe not as scary as the MIB. Presumably the supernaturally charged Hurley and his mortal assistant Ben are protecting the Light in the present time and bringing others to the island, who need to be brought there for their own ultimate redemption. Its understood that somewhere in the future, Hurley passes the job onto his successor and dies himself and on it goes until the end of the earth or whenever. We don't know. Which is one of the main themes of Lost. We can't unravel all of the earthly mysteries. It's not within our grasp, at least not in this life, but love of fellow man is.
A very profound show even if it does seem like the writers made it up as they went along.
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