Peter definitely misunderstood September. He projected his own answers into what he was told. Truth is he already IS home. This is the universe we all followed the first four seasons and where Peter belongs.
rost10
February 25th, 2012 11:48 PM
Great Episode! Can't believe we have to wait 4 weeks for the next one, at least they will show all 8 straight.
I am on the 'This is Peter's correct timeline' theory, bandwagon, that Observer scene at the beginning really nailed it in for me along with Peter's encounter with September.
kay
February 25th, 2012 10:15 PM
aw man! fringe is just jerking us around now
Cest
February 25th, 2012 9:09 PM
Beautiful episode, but incomplete. This is only half of Septembers death, when he disappeared and the lab equipment was knocked over was the moment were one of our team (probably Walter) from let say the season final. The team will be involved in Septembers shooting possibly unsticking or damaging Septembers time technology forcing them to hop through time to get him back.
When speaking to Peter inside of that construct he told Peter they were coming, which could be literal saying the others were coming to get him, I suspect he might mean the team was coming and the future and the past should not meet.
I have no idea as to which universe or timeline were in, that's irritating to me.
If,if,if we have a fifth season the nemesis of the arch will be evil Observers sprung from the baby Henry timeline fighting our Observers.
JGreyden
February 25th, 2012 3:19 PM
Peter is cornered.
Not only has he painfully learned how deeply hurt Olivia's feelings were when she learned the truth about "faux-livia" and him.
But now the Observer has actually confirmed that there would be unique consequences should he consort with the wrong Olivia(s).
By entering the Machine, he actually got a second chance to make things right. The fact is, should he choose to live in the wrong universe/timeline, he would irremediably damages it by just loving an Olivia.
He is really a living anomaly or oopart.
latrice
February 25th, 2012 1:41 PM
The BEST show on Television! Please 'like' "The Fringies Page: We Want a 5th Season of Fringe" on Facebook and help us get the 5th season that this masterpiece deserves!
Sarah
February 25th, 2012 11:20 AM
I loved last night's episode Fringe!! I was a little confused as well because at the beginning of the season I thought that we were seeing universes 3 & 4. I'm not sure where Peter is because in season 1, Olivia never had headaches that I recall. Walternate seems a lot nicer too. The shapeshifters have a different type of "brain" than the ones we've seen previously. I don't recall Lincoln at all, so I'll have to rewatch all of the seasons. Plus I know Olivia wasn't raised by Nina when she and her sister were younger. They never really got along in the previous seasons. If she did stay with Nina, I don't recall that being mentioned. Maybe I'm wrong, but with Fringe, there are endless possibilities. I hope thos keeps going because I don't want to lose another show. I'm already losing House, In Plain Sight, and The Closer, I don't want to lose Fringe too.
stacy
February 25th, 2012 11:20 AM
This show is absolutely amazing. I love the mystery and the fact that at the end of every show you still are not quite sure what exactly happened. I look forward to each week. Tha acting is fabulous!!! I was not disppointed at all with last night show only with the fact that I have to wait four weeks to see a new episode.
Tomalak Geret'kal
February 25th, 2012 9:32 AM
The only thing that's getting me down about this brilliant season is this:
"I continue to believe we are indeed with the people we always loved, who have been altered due to Peter’s erasure."
Really, what's the difference? If he's in a "different timeline", it's because the objects and people in it are "altered" compared to the "original". But now maybe he's in the same timeline but with the objects and people in it "altered". Really, is there any tangible distinction between the two other than in terminology? Is there something fundamental to the fabric of the universe of a given timeline other than in there being "differences"?
Tina
February 25th, 2012 9:25 AM
Hats off to Fringe for the little details. I loved how Walter was making and eating Fairy Bread (buttered bread with the crusts cut off and sprinkles). This is a purely Australian dish for kids. You can't have a kids party without it. You so know the cast was sharing Australian/American anecdotes of food from childhood and this came up. Just Brilliant!
spirit
February 25th, 2012 8:32 AM
So Henry to corrects the time line?
spirit
February 25th, 2012 8:30 AM
Why did Peter understand the exact opposite of what the observer said?
Review
February 25th, 2012 8:29 AM
And we know that peter is importatnt and sosuperspecial,and superhero,savior, jesus, healer, god and super everything, but really Olivia all dependent of him, and becuase of him only then having powers?yuk.
So we learn for the first time what happened to Olivia after her mother died when she was 14, after 80 episodes of Fringe,
and we had more then 100 scenes of the endless Walter/Peter (and Elisabeth) sentimental crap.
So 1 scene that allowed Olivia to tell something about that in those nice circumstances , and this season alone 15 scenes of the Bishops sentimental emoting.
Olivia Dunham is this fantastic character only because of Anna Torv.
Anna Torv is a genius, playing with two similar Olivia's going through all those extreme emotions, her expressions, bodylanguage, so so awesome.
Review
February 25th, 2012 8:17 AM
So Jeff Pinkner has got his way, he is the one about Genesis, now in reverse adam and eve is Peter and Olivia, Walter is God or Peter supergod?
And the Machine his inetelligent design?
What is this fathers aways loving their son/child obsession? I am sure one of their cast will very much object to that.
And the writers have decidd to give Anna Torv all the hard difficult work,the two Olivia's separate and merging and of course once again Olivia has to crawl after supergod Peter. why not have Peter have the two memories and crawl afetr Olivia?
ace33
February 25th, 2012 8:07 AM
oh my god peter acted like a dumb little fool at the end
Bob
February 25th, 2012 5:54 AM
I think we should all admit that that's as much as we want to know about the Observers, because what makes them so awesome is their secrets. It's like if God came up to you one day and said here's the meaning of life, you (anyone not just the writer) would be disappointed. The episode was great.
Hill
February 25th, 2012 3:51 AM
Fantastic performances tonight, particularly by Blair Brown, Anna Torv, and John Noble.Now i must watch the episode again.
Uncle Jackass Rank: Regular Character
February 25th, 2012 1:44 AM
3.) The birth of Faux Henry = the anti-observer species was a paradox that wasn't suppose to happen. The true 'destiny' is that our Olivia and Peter create observer bunnies.
4.) The Observer Elders seem to have a differing ideology to September's methodology to fixing the current timeline. To them, the timeline is already fixed (reasoning being that the breaches in dimensions are no longer occurring).
Uncle Jackass Rank: Regular Character
February 25th, 2012 1:37 AM
@Raven, I think you're right about the whole descendent theory which is discussed also on the hotfix recap:
1.) The progeny of our Olivia and Peter (the one we are watching) will create a species of human beings, later to be called the "Observers." These scientists have cortexiphan infused in their blood and be capable of traversing universes and all of space time.
2.) September wanted to watch the 'the cure' of a child Peter Bishop because it was an important point in time. I.e. the birth of their forefather. The Origin of their gifts. But in doing so they created a predestination paradox that needed to be fixed by the Observers. September had he's own methods whereas the rest had other ideas of solving it.
Uncle Jackass Rank: Regular Character
February 25th, 2012 1:29 AM
The "end of all things" reminds me of the reasons why I loved to hate the X-Files. Way too many questions after being given a few answers. And yet this is an addictive nature of these series, even with the master mind being JJ Abrams. I praying that this series either ends it with a proper solidified ending or sets up the season for the next plot-arc.
The gov
February 25th, 2012 1:27 AM
I want to like the show but I am tatting tired of 3 years of sexual tention and month long breaks in the middle of the year.
fortyseven Rank: Regular Character
February 25th, 2012 1:11 AM
Great episode. Olivia's activation scene was amazing. Peter's expressions in September's mind were amazing. Jones is immune to gun shots to the head!
I too was confused as to why Broyles and Lincoln didn't try to suss out if Nina was from the redverse (like if Nina was somewhere else at the same time "she" accessed the lab).
Raven
February 25th, 2012 12:57 AM
What did we learn? That Peter is important (and apparently he is "The Boy"). Peter was supposed to be cured in the Red Verse, BUT he was also supposed to always end up with our Olivia and Henry was supposed to be their son. I still think this Olivia might be our Olivia, but now I am waffling on it. The Observers are. . .what. . . descendents of Peter and Olivia? That was kind of confusing to me (could have been all the tears I was crying at the time).
Joshua Jackson's face when he saw Henry and when he was looking at his Olivia in September's mind. . .Fuck all, Joshua Jackson needs to win all the awards forever and ever.
Oh hell, Peter and Olivia are going to have a Henry at some point, aren't they? Maybe even a little tribe of Bishops? Excuse me while I go weep with sadness over this episode and joy for the potential awesomeness of future episodes. I don't know what to do with all these feelings!
Raven
February 25th, 2012 12:52 AM
I loved tonight's show. I am still in shock, I cannot believe Peter walked away from his Olivia. I may be wrong but I agree I think he is in his timeline, however, the people are different because they evolved without him.
I think he just had to believe he was home and he would be there. I think if he had just kissed Olivia and they became the couple September spoke of, all would be well in the blueverse! Please Please Please.. do NOT cancel this show! It is the best show on TV! Period.
Segun
February 24th, 2012 11:18 PM
This is a television show so it should come as no surprise that we must wait even longer to see them together. September's explanation for his mistake is interesting but at the same time confusing because you wonder how Peter would have met our Olivia if he was cured on the other side leaving our Walter with no reason to go over there. I think this is his world as well, everytime he tried to talk about his world September cut him off even if he didn't correct him. You can understand Peter's reluctance though, he has to be sure. Still with a probable eight episodes before the end of Fringe you hope the writers don't take too long to get where we all hope their going.
Walter: It's a beautiful name. Astrid: What is? Walter: Astrid.
February 26th, 2012 2:30 AM
Peter definitely misunderstood September. He projected his own answers into what he was told. Truth is he already IS home. This is the universe we all followed the first four seasons and where Peter belongs.
February 25th, 2012 11:48 PM
Great Episode! Can't believe we have to wait 4 weeks for the next one, at least they will show all 8 straight.
I am on the 'This is Peter's correct timeline' theory, bandwagon, that Observer scene at the beginning really nailed it in for me along with Peter's encounter with September.
February 25th, 2012 10:15 PM
aw man! fringe is just jerking us around now
February 25th, 2012 9:09 PM
Beautiful episode, but incomplete. This is only half of Septembers death, when he disappeared and the lab equipment was knocked over was the moment were one of our team (probably Walter) from let say the season final. The team will be involved in Septembers shooting possibly unsticking or damaging Septembers time technology forcing them to hop through time to get him back.
When speaking to Peter inside of that construct he told Peter they were coming, which could be literal saying the others were coming to get him, I suspect he might mean the team was coming and the future and the past should not meet.
I have no idea as to which universe or timeline were in, that's irritating to me.
If,if,if we have a fifth season the nemesis of the arch will be evil Observers sprung from the baby Henry timeline fighting our Observers.
February 25th, 2012 3:19 PM
Peter is cornered.
Not only has he painfully learned how deeply hurt Olivia's feelings were when she learned the truth about "faux-livia" and him.
But now the Observer has actually confirmed that there would be unique consequences should he consort with the wrong Olivia(s).
By entering the Machine, he actually got a second chance to make things right. The fact is, should he choose to live in the wrong universe/timeline, he would irremediably damages it by just loving an Olivia.
He is really a living anomaly or oopart.
February 25th, 2012 1:41 PM
The BEST show on Television! Please 'like' "The Fringies Page: We Want a 5th Season of Fringe" on Facebook and help us get the 5th season that this masterpiece deserves!
February 25th, 2012 11:20 AM
I loved last night's episode Fringe!! I was a little confused as well because at the beginning of the season I thought that we were seeing universes 3 & 4. I'm not sure where Peter is because in season 1, Olivia never had headaches that I recall. Walternate seems a lot nicer too. The shapeshifters have a different type of "brain" than the ones we've seen previously. I don't recall Lincoln at all, so I'll have to rewatch all of the seasons. Plus I know Olivia wasn't raised by Nina when she and her sister were younger. They never really got along in the previous seasons. If she did stay with Nina, I don't recall that being mentioned. Maybe I'm wrong, but with Fringe, there are endless possibilities. I hope thos keeps going because I don't want to lose another show. I'm already losing House, In Plain Sight, and The Closer, I don't want to lose Fringe too.
February 25th, 2012 11:20 AM
This show is absolutely amazing. I love the mystery and the fact that at the end of every show you still are not quite sure what exactly happened. I look forward to each week. Tha acting is fabulous!!! I was not disppointed at all with last night show only with the fact that I have to wait four weeks to see a new episode.
February 25th, 2012 9:32 AM
The only thing that's getting me down about this brilliant season is this:
"I continue to believe we are indeed with the people we always loved, who have been altered due to Peter’s erasure."
Really, what's the difference? If he's in a "different timeline", it's because the objects and people in it are "altered" compared to the "original". But now maybe he's in the same timeline but with the objects and people in it "altered". Really, is there any tangible distinction between the two other than in terminology? Is there something fundamental to the fabric of the universe of a given timeline other than in there being "differences"?
February 25th, 2012 9:25 AM
Hats off to Fringe for the little details. I loved how Walter was making and eating Fairy Bread (buttered bread with the crusts cut off and sprinkles). This is a purely Australian dish for kids. You can't have a kids party without it. You so know the cast was sharing Australian/American anecdotes of food from childhood and this came up. Just Brilliant!
February 25th, 2012 8:32 AM
So Henry to corrects the time line?
February 25th, 2012 8:30 AM
Why did Peter understand the exact opposite of what the observer said?
February 25th, 2012 8:29 AM
And we know that peter is importatnt and sosuperspecial,and superhero,savior, jesus, healer, god and super everything, but really Olivia all dependent of him, and becuase of him only then having powers?yuk.
So we learn for the first time what happened to Olivia after her mother died when she was 14, after 80 episodes of Fringe,
and we had more then 100 scenes of the endless Walter/Peter (and Elisabeth) sentimental crap.
So 1 scene that allowed Olivia to tell something about that in those nice circumstances , and this season alone 15 scenes of the Bishops sentimental emoting.
Olivia Dunham is this fantastic character only because of Anna Torv.
Anna Torv is a genius, playing with two similar Olivia's going through all those extreme emotions, her expressions, bodylanguage, so so awesome.
February 25th, 2012 8:17 AM
So Jeff Pinkner has got his way, he is the one about Genesis, now in reverse adam and eve is Peter and Olivia, Walter is God or Peter supergod?
And the Machine his inetelligent design?
What is this fathers aways loving their son/child obsession? I am sure one of their cast will very much object to that.
And the writers have decidd to give Anna Torv all the hard difficult work,the two Olivia's separate and merging and of course once again Olivia has to crawl after supergod Peter. why not have Peter have the two memories and crawl afetr Olivia?
February 25th, 2012 8:07 AM
oh my god peter acted like a dumb little fool at the end
February 25th, 2012 5:54 AM
I think we should all admit that that's as much as we want to know about the Observers, because what makes them so awesome is their secrets. It's like if God came up to you one day and said here's the meaning of life, you (anyone not just the writer) would be disappointed. The episode was great.
February 25th, 2012 3:51 AM
Fantastic performances tonight, particularly by Blair Brown, Anna Torv, and John Noble.Now i must watch the episode again.
Rank: Regular Character
February 25th, 2012 1:44 AM
3.) The birth of Faux Henry = the anti-observer species was a paradox that wasn't suppose to happen. The true 'destiny' is that our Olivia and Peter create observer bunnies.
4.) The Observer Elders seem to have a differing ideology to September's methodology to fixing the current timeline. To them, the timeline is already fixed (reasoning being that the breaches in dimensions are no longer occurring).
Rank: Regular Character
February 25th, 2012 1:37 AM
@Raven, I think you're right about the whole descendent theory which is discussed also on the hotfix recap:
1.) The progeny of our Olivia and Peter (the one we are watching) will create a species of human beings, later to be called the "Observers." These scientists have cortexiphan infused in their blood and be capable of traversing universes and all of space time.
2.) September wanted to watch the 'the cure' of a child Peter Bishop because it was an important point in time. I.e. the birth of their forefather. The Origin of their gifts. But in doing so they created a predestination paradox that needed to be fixed by the Observers. September had he's own methods whereas the rest had other ideas of solving it.
Rank: Regular Character
February 25th, 2012 1:29 AM
The "end of all things" reminds me of the reasons why I loved to hate the X-Files. Way too many questions after being given a few answers. And yet this is an addictive nature of these series, even with the master mind being JJ Abrams. I praying that this series either ends it with a proper solidified ending or sets up the season for the next plot-arc.
February 25th, 2012 1:27 AM
I want to like the show but I am tatting tired of 3 years of sexual tention and month long breaks in the middle of the year.
Rank: Regular Character
February 25th, 2012 1:11 AM
Great episode. Olivia's activation scene was amazing. Peter's expressions in September's mind were amazing. Jones is immune to gun shots to the head!
I too was confused as to why Broyles and Lincoln didn't try to suss out if Nina was from the redverse (like if Nina was somewhere else at the same time "she" accessed the lab).
February 25th, 2012 12:57 AM
What did we learn? That Peter is important (and apparently he is "The Boy"). Peter was supposed to be cured in the Red Verse, BUT he was also supposed to always end up with our Olivia and Henry was supposed to be their son. I still think this Olivia might be our Olivia, but now I am waffling on it. The Observers are. . .what. . . descendents of Peter and Olivia? That was kind of confusing to me (could have been all the tears I was crying at the time).
Joshua Jackson's face when he saw Henry and when he was looking at his Olivia in September's mind. . .Fuck all, Joshua Jackson needs to win all the awards forever and ever.
Oh hell, Peter and Olivia are going to have a Henry at some point, aren't they? Maybe even a little tribe of Bishops? Excuse me while I go weep with sadness over this episode and joy for the potential awesomeness of future episodes. I don't know what to do with all these feelings!
February 25th, 2012 12:52 AM
I loved tonight's show. I am still in shock, I cannot believe Peter walked away from his Olivia. I may be wrong but I agree I think he is in his timeline, however, the people are different because they evolved without him.
I think he just had to believe he was home and he would be there. I think if he had just kissed Olivia and they became the couple September spoke of, all would be well in the blueverse! Please Please Please.. do NOT cancel this show! It is the best show on TV! Period.
February 24th, 2012 11:18 PM
This is a television show so it should come as no surprise that we must wait even longer to see them together. September's explanation for his mistake is interesting but at the same time confusing because you wonder how Peter would have met our Olivia if he was cured on the other side leaving our Walter with no reason to go over there. I think this is his world as well, everytime he tried to talk about his world September cut him off even if he didn't correct him. You can understand Peter's reluctance though, he has to be sure. Still with a probable eight episodes before the end of Fringe you hope the writers don't take too long to get where we all hope their going.