LittleViking - of COURSE I know what happened in 2036, but it also happened in 2015, which would mean we can expect a 3 year time jump for the next 13 episodes. I don't know if I believe that will happen. We also have a bullet that Etta wore around her neck and a living Olivia. This is Fringe. Things change. If you believe that 2036 was a certain future then I think maybe you haven't watched a single episode in the last four years. Where have you been? *shrugs*
Cbee
May 12th, 2012 11:23 AM
@Jack H.
You clearly want EVERY single little tidbit covered, don't you? Name a show that never had any slight plot holes. It's about the big picture.
Well, Agent Scott did have a final farewell. Not sure which season/episode exactly but there was a moment when Olivia went into her mind to resolve it. They were overlooking a body of water. And that episode of Charlie in season 3? That was not intended to be the part of the storyline, it was basically a "freebie unaired episode."
1. On his now-defunct weekly radio show, Peter Schikele used to quote Duke Ellington: "If it sounds good, it is good." In other words, set aside your prejudices and expectations about how things should be; if you enjoyed it, it's good. This episode was good, as were the two that came before it.
2. This has always been a show about men who use science to play God. Walter sets the whole two-universes-at-war catastrophe in motion by trying to resurrect his dead son. The mad-scientist-of-the-week often plays God by experimenting on (or stealing sex hormones or whatever from) and often killing their unwilling subjects. For William Bell to become the ultimate mad scientist, destroying two universes just for the heck of it, fits. It's kind of lame, but it fits.
3. I have more to say, but no time or space. I will, however, endorse the view that Rebecca Mader's independently rolling eyes were very cool.
XweAponX
May 12th, 2012 5:13 AM
There was NO shapeshifter posing as Broyles. It was alt-Broyles all right. Jones was blackmailing him. DOH! Missed a few, did ya?
Great finale. I am so ready for Observer invasion now. Bring it on Season 5.
Jack H.
May 12th, 2012 4:26 AM
Actually, I’ll soon stop watching this series as so much holes are coming into it. I’ll list some in the past and what came out of this season
1- The teasing of a relation between Broyles and Nina made out at some point (I think season 2) and they seem to think it’s a bad idea.
2- Agent Scott was not officially announced dead but meh, seems they didn’t pay him well and he decided to leave(season 1)
3- Charlie came from the dead in one episode in season 3 where the episode wasn’t something in the past or different timeline/universe.
And more…
With this season
1- It started with Peter wants to get back in his timeline which I assumed would be something resolved by the end of this season but instead they took a different path which leads me to the next point.
2- The Cortexiphan was deactivated, shouldn’t Olivia convert back to her original state of memory or does it work one way and becomes permanent? And she is pregnant, that is just great.
Actually I was hopi
Mish
May 12th, 2012 2:28 AM
..... i hope .... by the time this series ends ... they will have answered my question ... is the shapeshifter posing as Broyles going to royally bugger us or will he stand up and be counted among the righteous?
dont forget he ends up still leading the Fringe dept when the Observers invade
Good finale! So happy we get one more (shortened)season:)
Andy Wang
May 12th, 2012 1:40 AM
Maybe Lemoy isn't upset because he was prepping the division for the observer invasion? Hmm? :P
LittleViking
May 12th, 2012 1:39 AM
Awesome finale, imo! I'm just wondering if the reviewer has seen all (or even most) of the episodes thus far, or even this season, what with the questioning of September's statement. I thought it was made blatantly obvious in the whole 2036 episode *Shrugs*
Uncle Jackass Rank: Regular Character
May 12th, 2012 1:34 AM
Is Olivia's 'destiny' finished or her death still imminent?
I'm not too sure, but as it does seem somewhere down the line Olivia's future life is still in peril. Is it just delayed so that she can have Etta?
Aside from freaking out from Mader's exorcism moment, I though it funny that Bell's diverging ethos from the altered timelines:
1.) Timeline #1: Bell observes Walter's ability to save his 'son' from an alternate reality and thus does the right thing and dies gracefully from Olivia mind.
2.) Timeline #2: Peter does not exist and Walter failed. Bell now thinks he can play God.
AbedSwanson
May 12th, 2012 1:29 AM
i can't remember how many times i rolled my eyes throughout this finale (maybe as much as jessica). sooo predictable and underwhelming. bell is the worst bad guy. mainly because he can't seem to stop smiling whenever he opens his mouth. and after his plan goes to shit, he doesn't even frown or anything. he just vanishes again like he did the last time he left smiling as if defeat was all a part of his plan. yea right bell. you just gave up all your creatures to the fbi and you don't care one bit. i guess he can create them all over again because he's "god".
i thought fringe was a smart show. why is religion suddenly a factor? and why would such a brilliant man want to kill every human being and start a new universe only to change his mind last minute and say okay, humans can come too. wtf?!? what was the point of the no humans rule then? i don't get any of bells logic for someone that had so much knowledge of humanity in seasons one and two. this season was a clusterfuck of a story.
fortyseven Rank: Regular Character
May 12th, 2012 1:08 AM
Great finale. very smart to give us a season finale and a series finale just in case. I'm sure we'll get to see baby Henrietta and grown up Henrietta next season.
Segun
May 12th, 2012 1:06 AM
I love the fact that the writers actually read and watch sci-fi. Ever so apparent when September doesn't know what Olivia is talking about. Also the glances between Olivia and September were very poignant, how she didn't want him to die, all three members of the Bishop clan have great and very different relationships with September. Can't wait for the last season.
Mark
May 12th, 2012 12:58 AM
The interrogation of Mader was honestly one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen.
Well done on whoever was responsible for that!
Bay
May 12th, 2012 12:39 AM
Good finale but I think that it is dumb that all it took for the whole plan to end was to kill Olivia...Lemoy didn't seem too concerned about either her being there, or that his plan was destroyed in a second.
Walter: It's a beautiful name. Astrid: What is? Walter: Astrid.
Rank: Staff Member
May 12th, 2012 2:59 PM
LittleViking - of COURSE I know what happened in 2036, but it also happened in 2015, which would mean we can expect a 3 year time jump for the next 13 episodes. I don't know if I believe that will happen. We also have a bullet that Etta wore around her neck and a living Olivia. This is Fringe. Things change. If you believe that 2036 was a certain future then I think maybe you haven't watched a single episode in the last four years. Where have you been? *shrugs*
May 12th, 2012 11:23 AM
@Jack H.
You clearly want EVERY single little tidbit covered, don't you? Name a show that never had any slight plot holes. It's about the big picture.
Well, Agent Scott did have a final farewell. Not sure which season/episode exactly but there was a moment when Olivia went into her mind to resolve it. They were overlooking a body of water. And that episode of Charlie in season 3? That was not intended to be the part of the storyline, it was basically a "freebie unaired episode."
May 12th, 2012 8:48 AM
Get ready for Lost season 6 all over again >:(
Rank: Guest Star
May 12th, 2012 5:23 AM
1. On his now-defunct weekly radio show, Peter Schikele used to quote Duke Ellington: "If it sounds good, it is good." In other words, set aside your prejudices and expectations about how things should be; if you enjoyed it, it's good. This episode was good, as were the two that came before it.
2. This has always been a show about men who use science to play God. Walter sets the whole two-universes-at-war catastrophe in motion by trying to resurrect his dead son. The mad-scientist-of-the-week often plays God by experimenting on (or stealing sex hormones or whatever from) and often killing their unwilling subjects. For William Bell to become the ultimate mad scientist, destroying two universes just for the heck of it, fits. It's kind of lame, but it fits.
3. I have more to say, but no time or space. I will, however, endorse the view that Rebecca Mader's independently rolling eyes were very cool.
May 12th, 2012 5:13 AM
There was NO shapeshifter posing as Broyles. It was alt-Broyles all right. Jones was blackmailing him. DOH! Missed a few, did ya?
Rank: Guest Star
May 12th, 2012 4:53 AM
Great finale. I am so ready for Observer invasion now. Bring it on Season 5.
May 12th, 2012 4:26 AM
Actually, I’ll soon stop watching this series as so much holes are coming into it. I’ll list some in the past and what came out of this season
1- The teasing of a relation between Broyles and Nina made out at some point (I think season 2) and they seem to think it’s a bad idea.
2- Agent Scott was not officially announced dead but meh, seems they didn’t pay him well and he decided to leave(season 1)
3- Charlie came from the dead in one episode in season 3 where the episode wasn’t something in the past or different timeline/universe.
And more…
With this season
1- It started with Peter wants to get back in his timeline which I assumed would be something resolved by the end of this season but instead they took a different path which leads me to the next point.
2- The Cortexiphan was deactivated, shouldn’t Olivia convert back to her original state of memory or does it work one way and becomes permanent? And she is pregnant, that is just great.
Actually I was hopi
May 12th, 2012 2:28 AM
..... i hope .... by the time this series ends ... they will have answered my question ... is the shapeshifter posing as Broyles going to royally bugger us or will he stand up and be counted among the righteous?
dont forget he ends up still leading the Fringe dept when the Observers invade
Rank: Guest Star
May 12th, 2012 1:43 AM
Good finale! So happy we get one more (shortened)season:)
May 12th, 2012 1:40 AM
Maybe Lemoy isn't upset because he was prepping the division for the observer invasion? Hmm? :P
May 12th, 2012 1:39 AM
Awesome finale, imo! I'm just wondering if the reviewer has seen all (or even most) of the episodes thus far, or even this season, what with the questioning of September's statement. I thought it was made blatantly obvious in the whole 2036 episode *Shrugs*
Rank: Regular Character
May 12th, 2012 1:34 AM
Is Olivia's 'destiny' finished or her death still imminent?
I'm not too sure, but as it does seem somewhere down the line Olivia's future life is still in peril. Is it just delayed so that she can have Etta?
Aside from freaking out from Mader's exorcism moment, I though it funny that Bell's diverging ethos from the altered timelines:
1.) Timeline #1: Bell observes Walter's ability to save his 'son' from an alternate reality and thus does the right thing and dies gracefully from Olivia mind.
2.) Timeline #2: Peter does not exist and Walter failed. Bell now thinks he can play God.
May 12th, 2012 1:29 AM
i can't remember how many times i rolled my eyes throughout this finale (maybe as much as jessica). sooo predictable and underwhelming. bell is the worst bad guy. mainly because he can't seem to stop smiling whenever he opens his mouth. and after his plan goes to shit, he doesn't even frown or anything. he just vanishes again like he did the last time he left smiling as if defeat was all a part of his plan. yea right bell. you just gave up all your creatures to the fbi and you don't care one bit. i guess he can create them all over again because he's "god".
i thought fringe was a smart show. why is religion suddenly a factor? and why would such a brilliant man want to kill every human being and start a new universe only to change his mind last minute and say okay, humans can come too. wtf?!? what was the point of the no humans rule then? i don't get any of bells logic for someone that had so much knowledge of humanity in seasons one and two. this season was a clusterfuck of a story.
Rank: Regular Character
May 12th, 2012 1:08 AM
Great finale. very smart to give us a season finale and a series finale just in case. I'm sure we'll get to see baby Henrietta and grown up Henrietta next season.
May 12th, 2012 1:06 AM
I love the fact that the writers actually read and watch sci-fi. Ever so apparent when September doesn't know what Olivia is talking about. Also the glances between Olivia and September were very poignant, how she didn't want him to die, all three members of the Bishop clan have great and very different relationships with September. Can't wait for the last season.
May 12th, 2012 12:58 AM
The interrogation of Mader was honestly one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen.
Well done on whoever was responsible for that!
May 12th, 2012 12:39 AM
Good finale but I think that it is dumb that all it took for the whole plan to end was to kill Olivia...Lemoy didn't seem too concerned about either her being there, or that his plan was destroyed in a second.